Proper (an I mean proper) camera wanted!

[yourdj]

Hi my girlfriend is looking for a Pro SLR for photography.
We have a Nikon D40 but its not really good enough and I am a Canon man. :)

I like the look of these ones:

EOS 5D - main camera (POSSIBLY MK 2 AS WELL):

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0508/Canon/5d-front.jpg

EOS 50D - second camera and back up & FOR GENERAL SHOOTING.

http://www.canon-eos-50d.com/Canon-EOS-50D.jpg


Can you hire these cameras on a hire purchase loan and get an upgrade every few years?

Bit like you would on a van.

its ebay otherwise as they are expensive!

[surround sounds]

I have been looking at these myself.Very Nice

[WWDJ]

Not an expert but one thing you need to consider is the lenses and the models you have listed above are compatible with different lenses due to the crop factor.

The 5D is full frame and uses EF lenses whereas the 50D is APS-C and can use EFS lenses or EF lenses with a crop factor of 1.6 so your 20mm wide lens on the 5D becomes a not so wide 32mm on the 50D.

[Booche]

Hi my girlfriend is looking for a Pro SLR for photography.
We have a Nikon D40 but its not really good enough and I am a Canon man. :)

I like the look of these ones:

EOS 5D - main camera (POSSIBLY MK 2 AS WELL):

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0508/Canon/5d-front.jpg

EOS 50D - second camera and back up & FOR GENERAL SHOOTING.

http://www.canon-eos-50d.com/Canon-EOS-50D.jpg


Can you hire these cameras on a hire purchase loan and get an upgrade every few years?

Bit like you would on a van.

its ebay otherwise as they are expensive!

Toby in a short answer YES you can if they are going to be a business purchase then pop down to a well known computer superstore and see one of the business advisors and see about smartplan were you can lease the cameras as such but then have the option of either buying them at the end of i hink its 2yrs OR swapping for a upgrade etc each year i think

Only know this as i once worked there :P

Good things if its for a business as you can choose what ever you like and it works out ALOT better mate ;)

Let me know how you get on :D

[DJDC]

50d is discontinued, 60d (18MP Digi 4) is the replacement, bodies only are around £788 (i've just brought one), next up the line is the 7d which I think is around £1150 for the body (18MP Digi 4) (the 60d shares the same battery as both) 5d (21MP) is very good at £1600 for a body, but not all lenses are compatable with 'full frame' camera's (such as the EF-S) but then if you've a 5d or 7d you'd be putting an 'L' series lenses on the front, certainly for the 5d you would want the optical quality, but that's when the real costs can kick in! An 135mm f2L USM will set you back £800+, there are a few cheaper L series but it depends on what you are looking to use it for. Certainly putting a cheaper IS / USM you'd be more likely to notice a difference if using a 5d.

Have not seen a hire purchase option anywhere, buy now pay later yes, or pay over 12, months / 2 years

60D is worth a look for a back up to a 7d for certain shares quite a few specifications. If I had a 5d I'd consider a 7D as back up but as posted you have to remember the crop factor on APS-C sensors.

[yourdj]

Not an expert but one thing you need to consider is the lenses and the models you have listed above are compatible with different lenses due to the crop factor.

The 5D is full frame and uses EF lenses whereas the 50D is APS-C and can use EFS lenses or EF lenses with a crop factor of 1.6 so your 20mm wide lens on the 5D becomes a not so wide 32mm on the 50D.


Toby in a short answer YES you can if they are going to be a business purchase then pop down to a well known computer superstore and see one of the business advisors and see about smartplan were you can lease the cameras as such but then have the option of either buying them at the end of i hink its 2yrs OR swapping for a upgrade etc each year i think

Only know this as i once worked there :P

Good things if its for a business as you can choose what ever you like and it works out ALOT better mate ;)

Let me know how you get on :D


50d is discontinued, 60d (18MP Digi 4) is the replacement, bodies only are around £788 (i've just brought one), next up the line is the 7d which I think is around £1150 for the body (18MP Digi 4) (the 60d shares the same battery as both) 5d (21MP) is very good at £1600 for a body, but not all lenses are compatable with 'full frame' camera's (such as the EF-S) but then if you've a 5d or 7d you'd be putting an 'L' series lenses on the front, certainly for the 5d you would want the optical quality, but that's when the real costs can kick in! An 135mm f2L USM will set you back £800+, there are a few cheaper L series but it depends on what you are looking to use it for. Certainly putting a cheaper IS / USM you'd be more likely to notice a difference if using a 5d.

Have not seen a hire purchase option anywhere, buy now pay later yes, or pay over 12, months / 2 years

60D is worth a look for a back up to a 7d for certain shares quite a few specifications. If I had a 5d I'd consider a 7D as back up but as posted you have to remember the crop factor on APS-C sensors.

What about two 50d cameras. are they that much more dated than the newer modes?
18 mpixels is fine as I am not looking at going massive prints. A3 would probably be the max.

I need one that can shoot at low light, auto focus well and take moving shots, portraits & zoom close ups.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I need one that can shoot at low light, auto focus well and take moving shots, portraits & zoom close ups.

From my recent research, most decent cameras can do all that, but it's you that needs to know how to use them. ;)

[mattydinx]

The 5D MkII is a great camera, but quite rightly comes with a hefty price tag to match!

The 60D came as quite a disappointment when it was released, not really providing much of an upgrade to the 50D (3M more pixels and a movie mode), Also, it's a LOT of money for what is effectively a plastic camera, while the 50D was magnesium weather-sealed

My personal choice (and my next camera incidentally) would be the 7D, Weather-sealed magnesium body, ability to use both EF-S and EF lenses, can take up to 8 shots a second, uses a better quality AF sensor (19 autofocus points vs 9 of the 50D & 60D) and even at high ISO's the amount of gain isn't that bad (good for low light shots)

if you want some kudos, get the 5D MkII - They've used that camera on the last series of Top Gear for some drive-by footage - Impressive to say the least!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs196.snc4/38130_415394182569_506442569_4476396_5140976_n.jpg

[Jason]

My partner has gone from D50, D200 to now D700. Various lens purchases/sales along the way, and its shocking how much gear she has.

She's now gone sole trader, as some recent purchases and paying jobs means its best for her (she's also got PLI for her business).
I wouldn't personally get too hung up on MegaPixels on these types of cameras- low noise is more important than 12MP+.

So- a good sensor, and also a nice fast prime lens, and a few weeks of swatting up on how to use it.
Also... shoot in RAW format, so you can make some changes to exposure and white balance. I think she shoots in RAW+JPG (so she can quickly view the images before processing in Lightroom)

For a DJ, having some decent pics are essential and getting someone to take them is one of the best investments you'll make.
Blurry & Grainy shots for a Camera Phone really can't compete with a decent clean and sharp shot.

[DJDC]

I agree with Mattys comments however a 60d is good for the adjustable screen, but for a litle more money a 7d would be a good inbetweener, all are quite good in low light I took loads of photo's on the band I worked with at the weekend and hardly touched a flash, they are on my facebook page which is on the home page of my website, thats a 60d with a 28 -135 IS USM3.5-5.6 lens

[Digital Jack]

I need one that can shoot at low light, auto focus well and take moving shots, portraits & zoom close ups.

If you want good results in low light - you may want to consider Nikon over Canon.
The later Nikon models give considerably better results in low light , Canon have always been known to be a bit hit & miss with regard to auto focusing in low light , unless you spend big bucks (more than 3 grand on a body only).
The ability to take moving shots & portraits is down to the abilities of the person taking the photo , what do you mean by a 'zoom close up '??

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

If you want good results in low light - you may want to consider Nikon over Canon.
The later Nikon models give considerably better results in low light , Canon have always been known to be a bit hit & miss with regard to auto focusing in low light

Surely it depends on the spec of the camera and the lens. I've been reading about this and have been told to get a lens with a lower f number on it which lets more light in which is better for taking photos of lighting etc

I'm very new to this, so that could be completely wrong...:o

[DJDC]

Surely it depends on the spec of the camera and the lens. I've been reading about this and have been told to get a lens with a lower f number on it which lets more light in which is better for taking photos of lighting etc

I'm very new to this, so that could be completely wrong...:o

F2 is quite acceptable, I was using F3.5 the weekend with my 28mm - 135mm lens with Image stabilsing on. I was using a high (Ish) ISO around 3200 and if needed I could use Noise Reduction to curb some of the grain, however this was not needed even though at most there was only 4 par cans on at a time in the room, seemed quite ok.

[Digital Jack]

Newish Nikon cameras give much better results at high ISO's than affordable Canons.
I use a Canon 5D and most of my lenses are F4 models with 'L' glass , the results become rather grainy at high (and extra high) ISO settings.
Newish Nikon bodies give fantastic results.
Yes , the quality of the lenses is also very important.
The faster the lens is the more light it will let through to the camera sensor , but images taken a F1.2 will have virtually no depth of field , you will get a more useable DOF with F5.6 -F8 , so why would you want to spend buckets of money on a fast lens ?

But - it depends on what type of images you want to take .................................

If you want to find out more - go and have a mooch around at talkphography.co.uk .
Lots of nice people there .

[yourdj]

So Nikon or Canon,

I most often see Canon 95% of the time.

And i have been recommended Nikon for the low light ability by a wedding photographer and camera shop?

would a canon and nikon be a good bet or is it better getting two the same make?

If so what model Nikon?

[Daryll]

As a Nikon man , I will recommend a Nikon camera :D .

When you say you want a "real" camera , are you open to film cameras as well ?
People think that digital cameras are the be all and end all , they are so wrong.

[Digital Jack]

As a Canon user , I'd recommend a Nikon (purely because the low light capability is better), and Nikon wont give as many auto focusing problems in low light.
I use my Canon for landscape and portraiture so low light isn't an issue.
BUT !!!!!
If you think buying a DSLR will give you fantastic results - think again.
You are going to know how to use the camera in order to get good results.
A DSLR isn't going to take photo's in the dark is it !
No camera will take photo's in the dark , unless you use long exposure settings , and these settings are not suitable for moving objects.
Any camera is only as good as the person using it.
By its very nature , a DSLR is more complicated to use than any point and shoot camera.
A good point and shoot camera can take excellent photo's and cost a fraction of the price of a DSLR.
Also , some people may insist that a DSLR is only as good as the quality of the lens that is fitted to it.
When a good lens can easily cost £600 , you can't be dismissive in your considerations.




Ah-hAaaaa ---------- This is my 100th post.
Break out the champers wil you ........

[Cowlinn]

So Nikon or Canon,

I most often see Canon 95% of the time.

And i have been recommended Nikon for the low light ability by a wedding photographer and camera shop?

would a canon and nikon be a good bet or is it better getting two the same make?

If so what model Nikon?

Nikon all the way for me I've got the D5000 and my brothers got a canon 500D.

Canon feels very plasticly compared to the nikon.

[yourdj]

are you open to film cameras as well ?

No DSLR only. :)


As a Canon user , I'd recommend a Nikon.

There is something about that that really does not make sense :p


Nikon all the way for me I've got the D5000 and my brothers got a canon 500D.

Canon feels very plasticly compared to the nikon.

I have a D40 that is crap in the dark and at auto focusing where as my Canon power-shot is excellent? I thought canons lead the way for auto focus.

I am being drawn to a nikon now as a photographer i know recommended them and his pictures are great:

http://www.newforestwedding.co.uk/images/lemontree2.jpg

I thought the bloke in the shop was talking rubbish as they may have a good deal with them.



Ah-hAaaaa ---------- This is my 100th post.

Well done

You will get to 1000 really quick and then for some reason the next thousand takes AGES!!

[Cowlinn]

Have a look round here (http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/digitalcamera/slr/index.htm).


I have a D5000 with a battery grip.

And funnily enough have done photography for 2 weddings with it. (People I know as a favour to save them money :P)

I'm not the best photographer in the world but i'd say the camera was more than up to scratch for the job, and the photos came out better than I expected.

The D700 is amazing, or if moneys no object obviously the D3 :p

[yourdj]

Have a look round here (http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/digitalcamera/slr/index.htm).


I have a D5000 with a battery grip.

And funnily enough have done photography for 2 weddings with it. (People I know as a favour to save them money :P)

I'm not the best photographer in the world but i'd say the camera was more than up to scratch for the job, and the photos came out better than I expected.

The D700 is amazing, or if moneys no object obviously the D3 :p

I am familiar with the controls which seem the same as the d40.
can you get interchangable lenses for canon and nikon?

http://thesecretchild.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/dslrshootout_main_0.jpg

This would make a good combination possibly??

[Cowlinn]

You need an entire fleet of Canon, or Nikon. Unless you want to spend a fortune on lenses.

Nikon lenses only fit Nikon, and Canon only fit Canon.

Pick what you feel comfortable with and stick with it. It's not like Mac/Windows They're both good ;)

At the end of the day, they're very similar, and Nikon or Canon you'll be getting a very well made camera that does the job.

Let us know what you go for :approve:

[yourdj]

You need an entire fleet of Canon, or Nikon. Unless you want to spend a fortune on lenses.

Nikon lenses only fit Nikon, and Canon only fit Canon.

Pick what you feel comfortable with and stick with it. It's not like Mac/Windows They're both good ;)

At the end of the day, they're very similar, and Nikon or Canon you'll be getting a very well made camera that does the job.

Let us know what you go for :approve:

I would Guess canon D50 or/and D5 mk2 if i would make a decision now.

[Cowlinn]

I would Guess canon D50 or/and D5 mk2 if i would make a decision now.

Sounds as good a choice as any :approve:

[Daryll]

And yes, this model is still in use , and used by the very top end portrait photographers :D

10576

10577

no shoulder strap :( , and the film is a little hard to find :D

[Digital Jack]

I use Canon , but I recommend Nikon to you for the the quality of the pictures at high ISO's.
IMHO Canon gives better results in the area that I work with photography.
If you look at many paparazzi you may notice they carry both Nikon and Canon.
They use the quality of Nikon's low light ability for shooting in low light ( as recent Nikon's out perform Canon - unless you spend 6 grand ).And they use Canon for images taken in good light.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Why don't you buy Ian's camera?

[yourdj]

Why don't you buy Ian's camera?

Its sold.

I have a D40. Probably go for a better spec one. :)

[yourdj]

OK i have made up my mind and decided on the following:

Canon Eos 60D.

Because of the removable screen like the one on my powershot (but massive).
I used a 5D mk2 at the weekend to shoot a wedding and over head shots were a matter of shoot and hope where as the screen is much handier.
Good for self shooting too in my cheesy videos :)

The groom had the 60D (Pro event manager :eek:) and it was really nice.

also takes video, SD cards and is a great price for 19 mega pixels.
Its also 9% lighter and other models like the 7d

What do you think?



http://thedigitalstory.com/2010/08/26/canon_60d.jpg

http://www.dcviews.com/press/images/canon-60d.jpg

[Cowlinn]

You've got yourself a really nice camera there

[yourdj]

You've got yourself a really nice camera there

Good I was hoping you would say that ;)

[DJDC]

OK i have made up my mind and decided on the following:

Canon Eos 60D.

Because of the removable screen like the one on my powershot (but massive).
I used a 5D mk2 at the weekend to shoot a wedding and over head shots were a matter of shoot and hope where as the screen is much handier.
Good for self shooting too in my cheesy videos :)

The groom had the 60D (Pro event manager :eek:) and it was really nice.

also takes video, SD cards and is a great price for 19 mega pixels.
Its also 9% lighter and other models like the 7d

What do you think?



http://thedigitalstory.com/2010/08/26/canon_60d.jpg

http://www.dcviews.com/press/images/canon-60d.jpg

I brought one last month, very good well impressed, used it to photgraph my disco and live band for a 40th bash, no flash, no tripod low light no problem happy with the shots, superb for getting overhead shots, or very low down. The photo's are on my facebook page (from mywebsite). The 30th the following week decent results again, certainly a good buy!

[yourdj]

Having a change of heart due to finances. What about a used 40D?
The 60d is about £800 and new whereas the 40d is about £300 with bundled kit on Ebay.

Basically I can get this a couple of lenses, bags batteries etc.
for peanuts to the quality of the camera (assuming its in good condition) and the pictures it can take.

I could rent a better camera when I need it.

Much cheaper and can still take photos.
I still have my powershot for the videos and it has a cool screen too.

Any other suggestions. Is 10 mpixels is enough for weddings (not large format)?

I spoke to a very good local wedding photographer who has only just sold one as his main camera
which surprised me as I though he had an eos1 (£5,000).

http://i.testfreaks.com/images/products/600x400/41/canon-eos-40d.390441.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos40d/

[Cowlinn]

Nikon D3000 do not get the D40.

It's old, and clunky. D3000 pretty much same price and very nice camera


EDIT: Ignore me :o i'm thinking of Nikon D40.

[yourdj]

Ignore me :o i'm thinking of Nikon D40.

I already have a D40 ;) Not bad but a bit of a toy IMO.


Canon all the way I am afraid now. 40D (not D40) :)

[djtrev]

I actually bought Ians D60.
I am not a camera buff but I need some decent pictures of my rig for a brochure and my wifes point and shoot just doesnt cut the mustard.
The first thing I did was a comparison test.The result really surprised me.
I am well pleased with the D60.Its most definately a big step up from the point and shoot and it will be sufficient for my photographic needs