Mac Vs Windows

[Cowlinn]

(Please move if in the wrong place:o )


What do you guys use?
Why do you use what you use?
What do YOU think are the advantages and disadvantages of both?

I know people have said "Macs are rubbish in some circumstances"

I'd be interested in examples of this.


Discuss :D :D

[BeerFunk]

These days, there isn't much to pick between them, as they are both considered standard platforms to support in terms of software and web development.

Plus you've left out Unix-based systems.... :sofa:

[yourdj]

this will be interesting :D

Walk around BPM and count the DJ's not using macs (apart from alex on his stand :D)

I have not yet met anyone who has properly moved from windows to mac who has gone back.
Met lots of people who have never used it saying how rubbish it is :)

2 macbooks, soon to have an iphone and ipad. Very happy no issues at all.
Its the virus thing that is the biggest issue. instead of paying to fix their
problem they are charging the client and probably creating the viruses themselves?

Seems a bit silly.

I do have a windows netbook however.

[Cowlinn]

People who say Windows are better, have not used Macs enough time to understand them properly. It's simple.

I don't even think its an opinion thing any more, Macs are more powerful, more reliable, more capability. Faster (especially the new airs) 100% idle rather than windows 50%

OS and Hardware designed by same company, so the software doesn't have to be made to support hundreds of manufactures hardware.

It's a no brainer. The only disadvantage is price, but then. You get what you pay for ;)

EDIT: I have 2 windows laptops, and a MacbookPro and an iMac. Let's just say the windows laptops need a good dust ;)

[mattydinx]

I use a windows based laptop for DJing, but use my MacBook Pro for most of my day-to-day computing.
They just work - It's as simple as that for me.

My MacBook Pro is a little over 2 years old (the first unibody model) and it's equally as fast, if not faster than when I bought it due to software refinements made by Apple.

My Equally spec'd PC (2.4GHz 64-bit Dual-core, 4GB RAM) gets slower and slower by the day, it's not bad once it gets going but booting is a laborious process now - might be time for a format...

Positives of macs - simple, quick, does everything I need.
Downside of macs - price could be one factor, but the fact mines lasted over two years, I consider it a worthwhile investment.

Positives of PCs - "everyone knows how to use one" more applications available, New technology arrives quicker (no blu-ray for mac...yet), cheap?!
Negatives - Viruses, Spyware, Malware, etc, BSOD, drivers, get slower over time

[BeerFunk]

I've had my Windows XP system running 24/7 for weeks, never switched off, with hundreds of applications and games being run, installed, uninstalled etc over that period. Not a single issue.

That said, I am PC 'savvy', so I know how to avoid the usual pitfalls associated with them (viruses etc).

[yourdj]

I have not yet met anyone who has properly moved from windows to mac who has gone back.


People who say Windows are better, have not used Macs enough time to understand them properly. It's simple.

i do not mind windows but I would not use it professionally. I would have got a macbook air for back up but could not afford one :D

Simple things like the standby mode on my mac means I can boot up in seconds and be ready to perform and vice versa.
i can close the mac whilst operating and go home for a cup of tea :p

It also black and looks :cool: (well i think so anyway) :D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_044PTfUkGaA/S_CYBI_5u5I/AAAAAAAACUY/nJ5EPkPKHcU/s320/setup4.jpg

[Cowlinn]

I've had my Windows XP system running 24/7 for weeks, never switched off, with hundreds of applications and games being run, installed, uninstalled etc over that period.

That doesn't sound healthy!! :eek:

[BeerFunk]

That doesn't sound healthy!! :eek:Why not? :confused:

[Cowlinn]

Why not? :confused:

I imagine running constantly for that long isn't good.

Shutting down just has a nice clean up of everything, deletes a lot of temporary files etc.

It's just better practice, also I don't know if it's a laptop. But if it is, you'll be killing your battery without it doing proper "Cycles".

Everything you do on it is just building up and up, especially as it's windows as it'll just be dumping temporary files everywhere.

[Mark Wild]

I quote "Ever notice how most Mac users are skinny? It's because of all the calories they burn because they can't shut the :Censored: up about how great their Macs are. What is it about Apple that makes its users unable to shut their mouths? Everywhere I go, there's another :Censored: with a Mac preaching about how much better Macs are than PCs. They regurgitate lines directly from Apple's marketing campaign, like "it just works." :D

[Charlie Brown]

That doesn't sound healthy!! :eek:

I disagree.

I have been told by professionals that turning off your computer does more harm than good!

[Cowlinn]

I disagree.

I have been told by professionals that turning off your computer does more harm than good!

I don't know what "Professionals" you go to but I think you better look for a new computer shop :eek:

I'm pretty sure it's good practise to regularly shut down properly. ESPECIALLY if it's a laptop, thats certain.

[BeerFunk]

Shutting down just has a nice clean up of everything, deletes a lot of temporary files etc.I know where all the temp directories are, and even redundant temp files do no harm (after defragmenting) other than use disk space.


It's just better practiceYou'll need to qualify that statement with a reason though! :)


I don't know if it's a laptop. But if it is, you'll be killing your battery without it doing proper "Cycles".No, not fan of laptops myself although I do use one. Not quite sure what that means either to be honest, but if it were a laptop, I don't see an issue with it being in constant use. The batteries in most laptops aren't much cop anyway, which is one of the main reasons for my dislike of them.


Everything you do on it is just building up and upAgain, I don't understand what is 'building up'? If I use an application, and close it again, nothing is left running or using resources. I make sure to install and uninstall software correctly, there is no issue with that at all.

[Cowlinn]

I quote "Ever notice how most Mac users are skinny? It's because of all the calories they burn because they can't shut the :Censored: up about how great their Macs are. What is it about Apple that makes its users unable to shut their mouths? Everywhere I go, there's another :Censored: with a Mac preaching about how much better Macs are than PCs. They regurgitate lines directly from Apple's marketing campaign, like "it just works." :D

Have you ever used a Mac?

(I mean owned one for a good few months, not played with one in a shop.)

[Cowlinn]

The batteries in most laptops aren't much cop anyway, which is one of the main reasons for my dislike of them.
.

My Macbook has an 11 hour battery life :whistle: :sofa:

[Charlie Brown]

I don't know what "Professionals" you go to but I think you better look for a new computer shop :eek:


He chargers £500 an hour so one hopes he knows what he is talking about. :eek:

[mattydinx]

That doesn't sound healthy!! :eek:

My server hasn't been switched off in about 3 years lol (restarted, but never switched off) - Length of time the computer is on doesn't really matter, unless you're an eco-warrior.

I tell the folks at work to switch their PC's off on Friday afternoons simply to save on the electricity bill, they get a virus check every night and are defragged weekly and get regular clean ups where possible.

I ran my PCDJ laptop for 3 weeks solid to test stability and it never skipped a beat...Having said that it's only got windows and PCDJ on it, and it's not allowed on the internet :D

[Cowlinn]

He chargers £500 an hour so one hopes he knows what he is talking about. :eek:

One would be surprised ;)

[Cowlinn]

My server hasn't been switched off in about 3 years

That's different, they're designed to be used in that manor.

[mattydinx]

He chargers £500 an hour

Jesus, I need to move companies! lol

[yourdj]

I quote "Ever notice how most Mac users are skinny?

YOUR RIGHT :p

This bloke is Steve Jobs - the main man at apple:

http://www.worldgonemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/steve-jobs-mac-laptop1.gif

And this plonker (although i have a bit more meat):p :

http://www.newforestwedding.co.uk/images/slideshow6.jpg

[Charlie Brown]

One would be surprised ;)

Here's the theory of leaving everything on: At the instant that an electrical device is turned on to a constant and unchangeable power source, there is an electrical burst of energy comparable to a mechanical "jerk." The rate of change is instantaneous and infinite. This search, for an instantaneous moment, is higher than 5v or 12v, or whatever - therefore, it's a surge. Notable as well, motors such as the electrical motors in the hard drives, floppy drives, and fans take the biggest torque making that instantaneous movement from completely still to moving. Because of this, motors usually have two coils, a drive coil and a starter coil. The starter coil is the high torque "push" that gets the motor moving.

All of this means that at the moment the machine is turned on, an incredible amount of amperage is necessary to get things moving, and the mechanical torque and the electrical absorption is at it's highest, usually instantaneously higher than the tolerances of the equipment. It is the point where equipment usually fails, as it is the greatest amount of instantaneous load that can be put on the equipment.

The common analogy is, "A light bulb never blows when it's already on, it only blows when it's turned on." For the most part, this is true - the above reason is given why.

;)

[BeerFunk]

My Macbook has an 11 hour battery life :whistle: :sofa:Which model is that then, do you have a link?

Other than that, which I am still doubting, you haven't really offered up any real evidence that Mac systems are 'better' than Windows systems.

And by the way, I know cost has a large part to play in it, but you'll find most large organisations will be running Windows XP workstations throughout their offices, with a combination of Windows, Netware, Mac and Unix/Linux servers.

[Cowlinn]

Here's the theory of leaving everything on: At the instant that an electrical device is turned on to a constant and unchangeable power source, there is an electrical burst of energy comparable to a mechanical "jerk." The rate of change is instantaneous and infinite. This search, for an instantaneous moment, is higher than 5v or 12v, or whatever - therefore, it's a surge. Notable as well, motors such as the electrical motors in the hard drives, floppy drives, and fans take the biggest torque making that instantaneous movement from completely still to moving. Because of this, motors usually have two coils, a drive coil and a starter coil. The starter coil is the high torque "push" that gets the motor moving.

All of this means that at the moment the machine is turned on, an incredible amount of amperage is necessary to get things moving, and the mechanical torque and the electrical absorption is at it's highest, usually instantaneously higher than the tolerances of the equipment. It is the point where equipment usually fails, as it is the greatest amount of instantaneous load that can be put on the equipment.

The common analogy is, "A light bulb never blows when it's already on, it only blows when it's turned on." For the most part, this is true - the above reason is given why.

;)

That paragraph is too complicated for me, Charlie.

You know that :p

[Mark Wild]

I'm intrigued, so if we're talking about laptops used for DJ'in purposes only and all that's installed is your playout software and OS. What would make a Mac any better than a PC?

[Cowlinn]

Which model is that then, do you have a link?

Other than that, which I am still doubting, you haven't really offered up any real evidence that Mac systems are 'better' than Windows systems.

And by the way, I know cost has a large part to play in it, but you'll find most large organisations will be running Windows XP workstations throughout their offices, with a combination of Windows, Netware, Mac and Unix/Linux servers.

I have this (15 inch) http://www.apple.com/uk/macbookpro/specs.html

Apologies, the website says 9 hours, but i've had 11 out of it before :beer1:

[Cowlinn]

I'm intrigued, so if we're talking about laptops used for DJ'in purposes only and all that's installed is your playout software and OS. What would make a Mac any better than a PC?

Probably Windows.

Only cause they're a third of the price.

Spending the amount of money on a Mac just for that, I can't justify.

[yourdj]

This is a fast thread. It has to be the first time everyone is at home on a saturday (or on the internet whilst working).

[mattydinx]

I'm intrigued, so if we're talking about laptops used for DJ'in purposes only and all that's installed is your playout software and OS. What would make a Mac any better than a PC?

Nothing :) - The mac software I trialled was terrible (going back a year or so mind), and featured too much iTunes integration, As all my music was saved on my hard drive on a per-album basis, It was hopeless, unless you knew which album your music was on.

I love my mac for general computing, graphic/web design, etc - But I'm yet to find a decent way to DJ from it.

I'm still using PCDJ Red 5.2 because for DJing...."It Just Works" lol :D

And Cowlinn, As much as i'm on-side for supporting mac, there's no way in hell anyone gets 11 hours of of a battery. You'd have to turn off all networking services, don't use the CD-drive, have the display brightness on minimum, no illuminated keyboard, and have a single app running for that period.

I get about 5 hours out of mine for browsing the net, but that's at a push lol

[yourdj]

I'm still using PCDJ Red 5.2 because for DJing...."It Just Works" lol :D

Try serato traktor or djay and it will operate without falter.

Although a high spec dedicated windows machine could beat it in speed & reliability steaks I would imagine.

[Cowlinn]

Nothing :) - The mac software I trialled was terrible (going back a year or so mind), and featured too much iTunes integration, As all my music was saved on my hard drive on a per-album basis, It was hopeless, unless you knew which album your music was on.

I love my mac for general computing, graphic/web design, etc - But I'm yet to find a decent way to DJ from it.

I'm still using PCDJ Red 5.2 because for DJing...."It Just Works" lol :D

And Cowlinn, As much as i'm on-side for supporting mac, there's no way in hell anyone gets 11 hours of of a battery. You'd have to turn off all networking services, don't use the CD-drive, have the display brightness on minimum, no illuminated keyboard, and have a single app running for that period.

I get about 5 hours out of mine for browsing the net, but that's at a push lol

I've had 11 hours on a car journey to south of france :D

Obviously had no internet so was very much pages/minsweeper based.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Try serato traktor or djay and it will operate without falter.

Although a high spec dedicated windows machine could beat it in speed & reliability steaks I would imagine.

My Acer Windows laptop runs Serato 2.1 so much better than my mates Mackbook ;)

[sleah]

People who say Windows are better, have not used Macs enough time to understand them properly. It's simple.

I don't even think its an opinion thing any more, Macs are more powerful, more reliable, more capability. Faster (especially the new airs) 100% idle rather than windows 50%

OS and Hardware designed by same company, so the software doesn't have to be made to support hundreds of manufactures hardware.

It's a no brainer. The only disadvantage is price, but then. You get what you pay for ;)

EDIT: I have 2 windows laptops, and a MacbookPro and an iMac. Let's just say the windows laptops need a good dust ;)

You start off making valid points, then use made up data to back up those points - typical Mac marketing:p:D:D:D

Where EXACTLY do you get the 50% idle figure from?
I'm sat here browsing this here forum, running MSN, Skype, Outlook on a dual monitor setup, and task manager is telling me my processor is idling around 90% average, peaking at 97%:D

Mac are NOT better because they don't suffer virus attacks - they actually can:eek:
It's the :Censored:ing scum of the earth who prefer to write viruses and trojans for Windows that are at fault. THEY are the problem, not their OS of choice.
It's exactly like saying Audi's are worse because :Censored:s drive them......

You certainly are less vulnerable to viruses and attacks, but that doesn't make the computer any better:confused:


I loath Macs in a network environment, they are pants at it, well to be fair, utter rubbish at integrating in a client-server environment, although most are a Windows system:o
We keep getting told that they integrate well in to a Windows domain, but the truth is those who say they do, know diddly squat about a Windows domain:bang:
Mapping network drives (in a domain environment) is errr interesting to say the least!

I also hate how Macs handle programs. In Windows and Linux you have a nice 'Index' where you can uninstall a program safe in the knowledge that you will not kill something important. They keep the user away from system files and folders so you're unlikely to delete something important.
Not so on a Mac - you delete what you assume is the right folder and hope for the best, then if you want to be certain you get the hunting dogs out and track down the preferences file:daft:

Don't get me started on trying find a bl00dy program you've just installed on a Mac....... I installed something a while back... took bloomin ages randomly clicking through the disk to find the folder and HOPE that I'd clicked the program file:confused:

FFS Mac users preach how simple they are to use, especially for a novice.:(

There's stuff I hate about Windows, like being forced to run anti-flaming-everything software:mad:
They way I was used to where everything was in Windows, now in W7 they've moved everything round for no obvious reason, it's a right pain finding networking stuff for starters:(
Inserting a CD/DVD locks ALL operations until it's read the disk:mad:

Hey, at least I can keep my lappy going on battery power for donkeys years after the first battery died, just for the cost of the battery and not removing a single screw:p:p:p:p
Indeed I have a spare battery for those moments when it runs out at an inconvenient time:D

Eco-friendly Apple simply bin their kit when the battery gives up:daft:

[Cowlinn]

You start off making valid points, then use made up data to back up those points - typical Mac marketing:p:D:D:D

Where EXACTLY do you get the 50% idle figure from?
I'm sat here browsing this here forum, running MSN, Skype, Outlook on a dual monitor setup, and task manager is telling me my processor is idling around 90% average, peaking at 97%:D

Mac are NOT better because they don't suffer virus attacks - they actually can:eek:
It's the :Censored:ing scum of the earth who prefer to write viruses and trojans for Windows that are at fault. THEY are the problem, not their OS of choice.
It's exactly like saying Audi's are worse because :Censored:s drive them......

You certainly are less vulnerable to viruses and attacks, but that doesn't make the computer any better:confused:


I loath Macs in a network environment, they are pants at it, well to be fair, utter rubbish at integrating in a client-server environment, although most are a Windows system:o
We keep getting told that they integrate well in to a Windows domain, but the truth is those who say they do, know diddly squat about a Windows domain:bang:
Mapping network drives (in a domain environment) is errr interesting to say the least!

I also hate how Macs handle programs. In Windows and Linux you have a nice 'Index' where you can uninstall a program safe in the knowledge that you will not kill something important. They keep the user away from system files and folders so you're unlikely to delete something important.
Not so on a Mac - you delete what you assume is the right folder and hope for the best, then if you want to be certain you get the hunting dogs out and track down the preferences file:daft:

Don't get me started on trying find a bl00dy program you've just installed on a Mac....... I installed something a while back... took bloomin ages randomly clicking through the disk to find the folder and HOPE that I'd clicked the program file:confused:

FFS Mac users preach how simple they are to use, especially for a novice.:(

There's stuff I hate about Windows, like being forced to run anti-flaming-everything software:mad:
They way I was used to where everything was in Windows, now in W7 they've moved everything round for no obvious reason, it's a right pain finding networking stuff for starters:(
Inserting a CD/DVD locks ALL operations until it's read the disk:mad:

Hey, at least I can keep my lappy going on battery power for donkeys years after the first battery died, just for the cost of the battery and not removing a single screw:p:p:p:p
Indeed I have a spare battery for those moments when it runs out at an inconvenient time:D

Eco-friendly Apple simply bin their kit when the battery gives up:daft:

I started going through your post bit by bit, but got bored :o

Points.

- When your PC Says it's running at 100% idle, it's actually running at 50%
- Installing programes? Are you joking? Simply drag it into the applications folder. Done.
- Uninstalling programmes? Are you joking? Simple drag it into trash. Done.
- 98% Less KNOWN viruses for macs.

And as for the battery, your battery is about 60% actual battery and the rest is plastic and connecter-bits :D
Mine is pure battery, not being able to take it out means we don't need plasticy bits and connecter-y bits ;)

[mattydinx]

My mac integrates very nicely with our network at work, it has it's own profile, so when I connect the Ethernet cable, it automatically recognizes the network and which domain to look for - et voilá, I can access all my shared network devices and storage...

When it comes to going home, unplug the cable, go home, open her up and it finds my Wi-fi connection and finds all my computers on my home domain...again, automatically.

If I'm doing a new-build PC at work, and for whatever reason want to switch domains, I have to restart the machine, not so on the mac.

Finding the application you've just installed? - Click on the spotlight icon in the corner and type in its name? - done.

Who has to remove screws to replace the battery? - I lift a flap underneath my MacBook and there's my battery and hard drive, lift the tag and the battery comes out. Last time I checked it was around £88 for a replacement battery, my old HP laptop replacement was over £100!

People also seem to forget that Windows 7 and all of it's "advanced" features, came from inspiration from mac OSX (Spotlight, Icons only on the taskbar, etc)

I may be coming across as an apple fan-boy (he says with his iPhone and mac in front of him :D) however I'm typing this on my PC - I'm an IT & CAD Technician and work with PC's every day, in our case we don't have the option to use mac's as there aren't any industry standard CAD packages available for our needs (yet) and there's also the cost factor (isn't there always!)

Everyone's going to have their opinion regardless, be it iPhone vs Blackberry, Pioneer vs Denon, Robe vs Martin or mac vs windows.

It's when people come out with ridiculous comments about mac that aren't true that I get ticked off, because they clearly haven't spent enough time with one! :)

[Jiggles]

Here's the theory of leaving everything on: At the instant that an electrical device is turned on to a constant and unchangeable power source, there is an electrical burst of energy comparable to a mechanical "jerk." The rate of change is instantaneous and infinite. This search, for an instantaneous moment, is higher than 5v or 12v, or whatever - therefore, it's a surge. Notable as well, motors such as the electrical motors in the hard drives, floppy drives, and fans take the biggest torque making that instantaneous movement from completely still to moving. Because of this, motors usually have two coils, a drive coil and a starter coil. The starter coil is the high torque "push" that gets the motor moving.

All of this means that at the moment the machine is turned on, an incredible amount of amperage is necessary to get things moving, and the mechanical torque and the electrical absorption is at it's highest, usually instantaneously higher than the tolerances of the equipment. It is the point where equipment usually fails, as it is the greatest amount of instantaneous load that can be put on the equipment.

The common analogy is, "A light bulb never blows when it's already on, it only blows when it's turned on." For the most part, this is true - the above reason is given why.

;)

Ahhh but Charlie the best way to keep any pc from dieing is not to use it! I have had hard drives fail randomly after being on for an hour. The bearings and such giving up. Also Pc hard drives are really complex things. They have all designed to take the strains and stresses of this. A lot of servers are designed to stop the hard drives to save power and wear. so they are designed for it! Your average washing machine motor not so. There start up currents are rather high!

[Megamix]

I spent 20 years on PCs and I PERSONALLY find the Apple experience much better. I won't say any more because someone will say there goes another fanboy or evangelist.

[ianforest]

In our house we have an iMac, a MacBook, an iPad, 2 iPhone 4's. 1 iPhone 3G and an iPod Touch, oh and an iPod Nano and Apple TV. Our friends call it the "apple house".

My wife hated OSX when we first got the iMac but she's quite warmed to it now. It has it's benefits but it is also equally retarded in some way.

I like how you install and remove apps without having to install duplicate system files and so on but in essence they (i.e. OSX and Windows) both do the same thing, they both offer a windowing environment and they both do it quite well.

[sleah]

- When your PC Says it's running at 100% idle, it's actually running at 50%


Interesting. I've never seen 'it' run at 100%..... and I've never heard about the counter being exactly double the actual amount.

Please could you point me at the hard scientific evidence that proves this?

I'd also like to see the evidence of mattydinx point about Windows 7 features being inspired from OSX.
There's always been speculation, but I'd like to hear the real facts.
I don't doubt for one minute that Apple & MS nick idea's from each other.
Parts of DOS were pirated by MS - that was proven in court.
Then there's the belief that Apple invented the mouse driven GUI, despite the fact Zerox were using it for quite a while before.....
The truth is Apple brought it to the smaller more consumer based desktop, rather a dobbing great business machine...
Apple are rather good at 'bending' the truth, the famous Apple V PC are living proof of that.
I rememeber trying the 3-step thing to get an original iMac unpacked and online as Apple told us.... the ad was actually a blatant lie - in fact I'm sure they got a ticking off for it:confused:

Both platforms have good points and bad points, much of it is personal preference. Many would argue Macs are easier - but I've mentioned application installs.
My mother can install a program on a PC by sticking the CD in and clicking OK if it autoruns, or setup if it doesn't. She clicks a few OK's then goes to the start menu and the program is there ready to go.
Give her a Mac and she would panic - She would NOT be happy dragging folders around in case it went in the wrong place or she did the wrong thing. Then she would panic cos she couldn't find the program, again she would not be happy clicking around folders. OK she could do a search. Can she rememeber exactly what it was called? Does spotlight ONLY show programs or will it show ANY file with that name?

It's like those who preach that Linux is easier and better. It bl00dy well isn't if you're not comfortable and familiar with command line programming - which both Apple & MS moved away from a long time ago.....

Indeed hats off to Apple for getting away from the command line interface as a matter of urgency:D Lisa anyone? I think that was her name....;)

Hardware isn't and never really was an issue. Apple use top quality components and manufacturing. As do some PC makers.
Put an Apple up against a top end PC and you'll find the hardware virtually identical - indeed they share many components a disk drive is a disk drive... a DVD drive is a DVD drive... memory is memory...
*cough* CPU's are made by Intel......

Apple hardware fails just as much as PC given the same circumstances.
In fact at work, our Apple laptops fail at an alarming rate compared to PC:(


Let's all just agree to disagree and stick with what we are happy with:D


BTW: I passed my O-Level computing with a BASIC program done on an Apple II (actally an ITT2020 with Apple chips), even though I was a Sinclair man, and I never fully got to grips with the BBC B.

[ianforest]

I think you'll find that Apple never said they "invented" the mouse driven GUI, what they can hold claim to is that they designed the first "personal" computer to feature a mouse with a GUI.

[sleah]

I think you'll find that Apple never said they "invented" the mouse driven GUI, what they can hold claim to is that they designed the first "personal" computer to feature a mouse with a GUI.
You're right, but plenty of people go round saying they did!
Good ole' Urban myths:D


This thread is quite fun:p

You can't beat a good Crapintosh v Windoze standoff:D

In fact, I rekon winding up Mac users should be made an official national sport:cool:

[Mark Wild]

In fact, I rekon winding up Mac users should be made an official national sport:cool:

I agree ! especially ones that use Maplin speakers :)

[Cowlinn]

I agree ! especially ones that use Maplin speakers :)

:boxer2: :boxer2: :D

[ianforest]

Every computer has its pros and cons.

[Larry B Entertainment]

I don't even think its an opinion thing any more, Macs are more powerful, more reliable, more capability. Faster (especially the new airs) 100% idle rather than windows 50%



and they will still crash and you can still only end up with the same outcome as a pc. ie word doc, mp3, video file etc.

There is always going to be the mac vs pc argument and it will never be settled.
Im really not bothered what I use as long as "It Works" :)

[simonp]

I agree ! especially ones that use Maplin speakers :)

who on earth would use a mac and then buy maplin speakers :muppet:

[Cowlinn]

who on earth would use a mac and then buy maplin speakers :muppet:

Macs were just what I chose to spend my money on :)

[simonp]

Macs were just what I chose to spend my money on :)

Ahhh, I thought Mark was joking - no offence :o

[Mark Wild]

Ahhh, I thought Mark was joking - no offence :o

Waheyyyyy ! LMFAO !

[simonp]

Waheyyyyy ! LMFAO !

Shake the tree............. :D

[sleah]

and they will still crash and you can still only end up with the same outcome as a pc. ie word doc, mp3, video file etc.

There is always going to be the mac vs pc argument and it will never be settled.
Im really not bothered what I use as long as "It Works" :)

Probably the most sensible, balanced post in this entire thread.















Boring sod!:p :p :D :D

[Cowlinn]

Probably the most sensible, balanced post in this entire thread.















Boring sod!:p :p :D :D

There is no place for sensible, democratic people in the Mac Windows debate :D:D:D

[Larry B Entertainment]

Probably the most sensible, balanced post in this entire thread.















Boring sod!:p :p :D :D

:clap2:

[sleah]

There is no place for sensible, democratic people in the Mac Windows debate :D:D:D


Absolutley Sir!:)

:handbag: :riceandrob: :boxer: :boxer2:




:moon: :moon:


Well, I'll allow you to sit and be a smug :Censored: for a little while, after my virus/malware outbreak yesterday:mad:

Oh, and I should appologise for my earlier battery comment, I should have said mobile phone, not laptop:o :o
What a pratt! I know perfectly well Mac Books have removeable batteries:D

Now, where's that 'shoot-myself-in-the-foot-like-a-pillock' smilie?:daft:

[Cowlinn]

Absolutley Sir!:)

:handbag: :riceandrob: :boxer: :boxer2:




:moon: :moon:


Well, I'll allow you to sit and be a smug :Censored: for a little while, after my virus/malware outbreak yesterday:mad:

Oh, and I should appologise for my earlier battery comment, I should have said mobile phone, not laptop:o :o
What a pratt! I know perfectly well Mac Books have removeable batteries:D

Now, where's that 'shoot-myself-in-the-foot-like-a-pillock' smilie?:daft:

Haha, Yeah. Macbooks have erm, removable batterys :whistle: :o


:D:D