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Shakermaker Promotions
07-02-2011, 02:23 PM
I'm chucking this one out there as I am guilty of doing this myself at times. It may be because I have heard bad things about venues on the grapevine or whatever? I sometimes think twice about taking on a booking because of this or if I have taken a booking on, sometimes I wonder if I have done the right thing and dread it when the date arrives, wishing it was all over before I have even left the house.

To be honest, it's very rare that it happens but I wondered if others felt like this? It's easy to say "If in doubt, quote a higher price" or "If in doubt, don't take the booking" but when you are self employed and do this as a full time job and you have a date free that people want to book you for, it's sometimes hard to turn the work away. Like I said, it's not a common occurrence so I'm not too worried....

But...I also feel a tad guilty sometimes for thinking the way I do about some bookings / venues.

What brings me to write this post is 2 examples over the past week.
The first one was a phonecall enquiry on friday afternoon. A couple of years ago I did a simple light hire job at someone's house for his 2 daughters 16th birthdays. It was in a 'dodgy' area in town and I had the doubts that I mentioned above when I went to set the lighting up in the house. Everything was cool however but I seriously wondered if I would have any lights left when I went to collect them the next day. All was well though. I don't know what it is, I am sure we've all done it at times and I personally hate it but the old "Don't judge a book by it's cover" saying always comes up. I felt bad at the time because I did judge and I was wrong.

Anyway, the phonecall on friday was from the same guy. He wanted to book me to do the Disco for his daughters 18th's. I had a flashback, remembered who he was and instantly thought that if I quoted my usual price, I wouldn't get the job. I didn't do overkill to get the booking, I more or less let him tell me what he wanted and took it from there. He wanted a Disco from 7.30 - 01.00am at a local hotel and then mentioned that the girls were very interested in the Pink / Lilac Uplighting too. I quoted him a price and as I said, I really thought it would be a no-no. He said that he'd chat to the wife and get back to me by today (Monday).

Sunday evening he calls me and says he wants to book Disco + Uplighting for the price I quoted. Result! It's a friday night and a very good payer so lesson learnt on my part big time!

The other reason I am posting is regarding a venue that I had doubts about. On saturday I did an 80's night at this particular venue. I did feel a bit uncomfortable at first but it lasted all of 10 minutes because the venue and it's punters were spot on. The landlord booked me one night when our darts team were playing his. He heard me mention what I did for a living. He'd never seen me do my thing before and booked me on the strength of me simply saying that when it came to 80's stuff, I knew what I was doing and I would play what his customers wanted. Anyway, it went well, better than I thought and exceeded his expectations. The feedback from customers was great and I am seeing him soon to book some future dates.

This venue had some very intimidating characters in it but they were all loving the music and that's all that mattered to them. To give you some kind of idea, it was one of those places I should imagine where if they didn't like what you were doing, they'd have no problems telling you!

So, Do you or have you judged people or venues and then felt bad because you've been totally wrong?
Don't get me wrong - There are some venues that I KNOW are a gamble and I won't touch them. The landlord at this particular venue said to me that he knew the reputation that his venue had and thought it was totally unjustified. He said that his customers were a great bunch and would be well up for it and he was right.

DJ Jules
07-02-2011, 02:55 PM
Yup, I had a wedding booked for last year which I was dreading, because this is roughly how the conversation went on the phone:

Customer: I'd like to book a disco, it's for a function, well, it's sort of for our wedding.

His wife in background: What do you mean "Sort of our :censored: wedding?" It's our :censored: wedding!!

You get the idea... In the end I had to cancel because my daughter ended up in hospital on the weekend so they never had the chance to prove me wrong about my preconceptions. I don't know who did get the gig.

Julian

funkymook
07-02-2011, 03:06 PM
Psychologically are brains are wired to pre-judge/stereotype/assume etc. It's a survival trait left over from when danger lurked around every corner - if early man took to much time to assess a situation they'd probably be dead.

Obviously today we aren't in mortal danger all the time (hopefully) - but our brains still send us 'danger/avoid/flee' type messages, created by subtle subliminal signals and past knowledge/experience etc.

So don't feel guilty about pre-judging people/areas etc. we really can't help it.

But what we can help is how we choose to act on these prejudices - as we've evolved into a more logical, thinking being we can, once we've had our initial non-thinking reaction, start to weigh up the situation in a more logical and non-judgemental way.

James
07-02-2011, 10:27 PM
Yeah there's something i've read that we all pre judge within the first 3 seconds or something.

Pretty much what the guy said above really

CRAZY K
07-02-2011, 10:43 PM
Psychologically are brains are wired to pre-judge/stereotype/assume etc. It's a survival trait left over from when danger lurked around every corner - if early man took to much time to assess a situation they'd probably be dead.

Obviously today we aren't in mortal danger all the time (hopefully) - but our brains still send us 'danger/avoid/flee' type messages, created by subtle subliminal signals and past knowledge/experience etc.

So don't feel guilty about pre-judging people/areas etc. we really can't help it.

But what we can help is how we choose to act on these prejudices - as we've evolved into a more logical, thinking being we can, once we've had our initial non-thinking reaction, start to weigh up the situation in a more logical and non-judgemental way.

Guilty of area discrimination here.

Never individuals--no need.

Bad area--bad people.

We wont send any Caller including me to certain areas because we are aware of bad publicity ---e.g. so named gun capital of England is one:eek:

Other areas I personally know of from experience on the road and so we are very picky.

We just quote a high price and never get the business.;)

Nowadays violence is rife so taking a chance is not worth it if you have bad vibes--just seen Northampton on TV where 6 thugs in broad daylight started attacking a Jewellers shop with sledgehammers--but were thwarted by a 70 year old swinging a handbag--while all the other :muppet: walked on by.

Andy Goodtimes
08-02-2011, 02:26 AM
Thing is you can go to a very posh venue to find its a Gipsy Wedding, I have known tham to send the smartest dressed with a good English speaking voice to book the venue and then on the day Transit vans stream up the driveway. On that particular day the hotel lmanageress was saying she was going to call the Police and I asked her why and she said because they were Gipsies. I managed to talk her out of it saying the Police would prob not be interested as they had done nothing wrong and also it would prob get it all off on the wrong footing anyway, it turned out a fantastic night.

My point is it keeps you on your toes and that if you never take anything on that's a bit dodgey what happens when you find yourself in such a situation by accident?

Javlingames
08-02-2011, 08:53 AM
I think theres two types of 'rough' places. Theres the places full of young adults and younger where drugs are rife and pub fights etc then theres other places that contain 'salt of the earth' type charachters, great people, up for a laugh just like you and I but if you pee them off they would probably break your knee caps on the spot.

funkymook
08-02-2011, 09:06 AM
'salt of the earth' type characters...... but if you pee them off they would probably break your knee caps on the spot.

And you can't say fairer than that - gawd bless 'em..

paulg
08-02-2011, 11:38 AM
Obviously today we aren't in mortal danger all the time

You don't do Barnsley area then!

I have whole zones of South Yorkshire where I will not tread regardless of the type of booking!