not loud enough

[wayne128]

hi can anyone help me ive got a behringer europower pmp3000
done half a dozen gigs with it but have decided its not loud enough i have to have my volumes on full in only medium rooms say 50 people the volume is that high that when theres no music and i need to use the mic im getting background noise dont get me wrong i dont want to blast everyone it would just be better to run at 3/4 volume so i have a bit in hand if i need it but like i said ive really got to max it out or is it my speakers are a pair of kam ksf-15 any advice please

thanks
Wayne

[Excalibur]

hi can anyone help me ive got a behringer europower pmp3000
done half a dozen gigs with it but have decided its not loud enough i have to have my volumes on full in only medium rooms say 50 people the volume is that high that when theres no music and i need to use the mic im getting background noise dont get me wrong i dont want to blast everyone it would just be better to run at 3/4 volume so i have a bit in hand if i need it but like i said ive really got to max it out or is it my speakers are a pair of kam ksf-15 any advice please

thanks
Wayne

I've got the older equivalent, and what I'd say is it's just not big enough. It's only suitable for smaller gigs, or to have a slave amp lashed to it with another set of cabs as well.

Perhaps your biggest and easiest volume increase would come from sticking a pair of Peavey Pro 4 ohm cabs on it.

[wayne128]

Gutted the answer i expected but was not looking for i think il put them on *bay then
thanks for advice
cheers
Wayne

[Glenski]

hi can anyone help me ive got a behringer europower pmp3000
done half a dozen gigs with it but have decided its not loud enough i have to have my volumes on full in only medium rooms say 50 people the volume is that high that when theres no music and i need to use the mic im getting background noise dont get me wrong i dont want to blast everyone it would just be better to run at 3/4 volume so i have a bit in hand if i need it but like i said ive really got to max it out or is it my speakers are a pair of kam ksf-15 any advice please

thanks
Wayne

You could either upgrade the unit to a Behringer Europower PMP4000 1600 Watt (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/PMP4000.aspx) or Behringer Europower PMP1680S 1600 Watt (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/PMP1680S.aspx) (That's what i currently use). or indeed upgrade/change your speakers to something like a set of Peavey Pro 15 mkII (http://www.jbsmusic.co.uk/peavey-messenger-pro15-speaker-1200watts-pa-dj-) .

I have no current issues using my Behringer Europower PMP1680S with a set of Peavey Pro 15 mkII's at my gigs for both small, medium and larger gigs.

I did upgrade my PMP1680S from a PMP1280S recently to get more head room.

[DAVESOUNDS SERVICES]

Flipping heck!
Ive just downloaded the pdf file on your Mixer -Amp!
Its poor at 8 Ohms and only gives 215 watts rms a channel
so it isnt going to be loud....
Your speakers are inefficient to at 93db@1 watt
My RCF art 300s are 101db@1Watt
However
Are your mikes plugged in to XLR inputs
are your spare channels turned off?
There sould be no "Noise"
Behringer gear seems amazingly underpowered despite the makers claims

Let us know how you get on
Cheers

[Excalibur]

Flipping heck!
Ive just downloaded the pdf file on your Mixer -Amp!
Its poor at 8 Ohms and only gives 215 watts rms a channel
so it isnt going to be loud....Your speakers are inefficient to at 93db@1 watt
My RCF art 300s are 101db@1Watt
Let us know how you get on
Cheers

I did that, but I didn't check the cabs. That combination will indeed be astonishingly quiet!!
I'd say the logical next step is either a pair of 4 ohm Peaveys, o a slave amp and a pair of Peaveys, or one of the bigger mixers linked to and a pair of Peaveys. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I hope he likes the sound of Peaveys. ;)

[Glenski]

Just for the record:

Peavey Pro 15 mkII Specs (They come in both 8 and 4 Ohm variety, i'd go for the 4 Ohm)

300 Watts RMS continuous, 600 Watts program.
15'' (381mm) speaker with 3" (76mm) voice coil.
1.75" (44.5mm) compression driver.
Dispersion: 90° H x 40° V.
Frequency response: 50 Hz – 18kHz.
Efficiency: 98dB.
Two 1/4'' (6.35mm) jack and two Neutrik® Speakon® sockets.
Full range with horn protection.
Resilient carpet covered.
Black steel full grille.
Steel stand adaptor.
Teardrop handles.
Dimensions (HxWxD): 25.6'' (650mm) x 18.1'' (460mm) x 15.4'' (390mm)
Weight: 48.5lbs (22kg)

[csg]

there are plenty of good sensitive speakers other than peavey available...but yes, my first upgrade would be a more sensitive set of speakers, preferably 4 ohm so you can make the best use of your limited power.

when you are looking at possible speakers, ask for the spl / 1w / 1m rating, given in dB. anything over 99 - 100 is a good place to start, and 103 is twice as sensitive as 100, so you can see how insensitive your current boxes are.

[Excalibur]

there are plenty of good sensitive speakers other than peavey available...but yes, my first upgrade would be a more sensitive set of speakers, preferably 4 ohm so you can make the best use of your limited power.

when you are looking at possible speakers, ask for the spl / 1w / 1m rating, given in dB. anything over 99 - 100 is a good place to start, and 103 is twice as sensitive as 100, so you can see how insensitive your current boxes are.

Indeed, but generally they come in 8 ohm. Peavey are almost always available in 4 ohm, and competitively priced. I hold no great affection for this model, but they are undoubtedly a very acceptable tool for this particular job.

[diydisco]

makes sense to to go for a 4 ohm speaker

i am also shocked by the low power from the behringer

in reference to your early post, you dont know if you are at 3/4 volume or not, dont judge by the volume pots on the amp, have you actually had the red lights flashing? Typically you should have your amp on full power and control the volume from your mixer

[DazzyD]

makes sense to to go for a 4 ohm speaker

i am also shocked by the low power from the behringer

in reference to your early post, you dont know if you are at 3/4 volume or not, dont judge by the volume pots on the amp, have you actually had the red lights flashing? Typically you should have your amp on full power and control the volume from your mixer

I'm not. :shrug:

From my early days I recal Behringer being pretty low-end of the market. And to couple it with KAM speakers? It seems like two very budget brands together that are not particularly known for power (or quality). I've still got a pair of 12" carpet-covered KAM speakers which I've put to good use over the last 5 years - as a stand for the portable TV in my bedroom!

[Glenski]

I'm not. :shrug:

From my early days I recal Behringer being pretty low-end of the market. And to couple it with KAM speakers? It seems like two very budget brands together that are not particularly known for power (or quality). I've still got a pair of 12" carpet-covered KAM speakers which I've put to good use over the last 5 years - as a stand for the portable TV in my bedroom!

Just some info :) there always seem to be a misconception about Behringer products ?

...

1989–2001: Foundation and early developmentUli Behringer, the company's founder, was committed to music and technology from a very early age, and had constructed a synthesizer (the UB-1) by the age of 16.[1]


The UB-1 synthesizerWhile studying sound engineering and classical piano at the Robert Schumann conservatory in Düsseldorf, Behringer found the university had limited equipment for student use, so he started to build his own products. His fellow students requested equipment from him too, and soon he was receiving more orders than he could handle himself, leading to the creation of Behringer Inc.[1] In the early days, Behringer focused on studio audio processors such as noise reduction systems and compressors,[1] but the product line soon included guitar amps, PA amplifiers and loudspeakers, mixing boards, stompboxes, recording interfaces, microphones, digital pianos, guitars, lighting equipment, etc.[6] The appeal of Behringer's products was the package of performance versus low price.[7]

While Behringer products were manufactured in Willich, Germany, many of the individual components were imported from mainland China. In 1990, to lower production costs, Behringer shifted production from West Germany to mainland China. Initially, subcontractors were engaged to produce the equipment. By 1997, Uli Behringer had relocated to Hong Kong in an effort to supervise manufacturing quality and to better understand Chinese culture.

...

2002–2007: Behringer City
Behringer CityIn 2002, Behringer completed its own factory, Behringer City, in Zhongshan of China's Guangdong province after it consolidated more than ten separate production locations into one vertically integrated plant. Comprising eight buildings that produces electronics, speakers, guitars and digital pianos and also hosts an onsite health clinic.[7] This strategy was different than that taken by other musical instrument companies who used third party manufacturers. Choosing to run a self-contained plant allowed Behringer a greater level of quality control.[7] The 1,200,000-square-foot (111,000 m2) manufacturing complex in Zhongshan ships more than 2.5 million Behringer products per year to markets around the globe. The plant turns out over 50,000 mixers per month with a failure rate that is less than 0.1%.[7] There is a waiting list of those wishing to be employed at Behringer City.


Just my two pennies worth lol

[DAVESOUNDS SERVICES]

Just some info :) there always seem to be a misconception about Behringer products ?

...

1989–2001: Foundation and early developmentUli Behringer, the company's founder, was committed to music and technology from a very early age, and had constructed a synthesizer (the UB-1) by the age of 16.[1]


The UB-1 synthesizerWhile studying sound engineering and classical piano at the Robert Schumann conservatory in Düsseldorf, Behringer found the university had limited equipment for student use, so he started to build his own products. His fellow students requested equipment from him too, and soon he was receiving more orders than he could handle himself, leading to the creation of Behringer Inc.[1] In the early days, Behringer focused on studio audio processors such as noise reduction systems and compressors,[1] but the product line soon included guitar amps, PA amplifiers and loudspeakers, mixing boards, stompboxes, recording interfaces, microphones, digital pianos, guitars, lighting equipment, etc.[6] The appeal of Behringer's products was the package of performance versus low price.[7]

While Behringer products were manufactured in Willich, Germany, many of the individual components were imported from mainland China. In 1990, to lower production costs, Behringer shifted production from West Germany to mainland China. Initially, subcontractors were engaged to produce the equipment. By 1997, Uli Behringer had relocated to Hong Kong in an effort to supervise manufacturing quality and to better understand Chinese culture.

...

2002–2007: Behringer City
Behringer CityIn 2002, Behringer completed its own factory, Behringer City, in Zhongshan of China's Guangdong province after it consolidated more than ten separate production locations into one vertically integrated plant. Comprising eight buildings that produces electronics, speakers, guitars and digital pianos and also hosts an onsite health clinic.[7] This strategy was different than that taken by other musical instrument companies who used third party manufacturers. Choosing to run a self-contained plant allowed Behringer a greater level of quality control.[7] The 1,200,000-square-foot (111,000 m2) manufacturing complex in Zhongshan ships more than 2.5 million Behringer products per year to markets around the globe. The plant turns out over 50,000 mixers per month with a failure rate that is less than 0.1%.[7] There is a waiting list of those wishing to be employed at Behringer City.


Just my two pennies worth lol

Fascinating!...But you forgot the most impotant bit
" ALL the products are rubbish "
JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION!!!!!!
( Todays non repairable One was a 16 channel EUROdesk)
the customer just popped it in for a few new slider pots!!!!!
after half an hour inside the thing i gave him the good news!!!


Cheers

[Excalibur]

Typically you should have your amp on full power and control the volume from your mixer
Errrrr, his amp is his mixer. ;) ;) :D :D


Fascinating!...But you forgot the most impotant bit
" ALL the products are rubbish "JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION!!!!!!

I'm not a repairer, but I'm very happy with the powered one I have. Other than a crackly fader, no probs at all. :D

[DAVESOUNDS SERVICES]

Errrrr, his amp is his mixer. ;) ;) :D :D


I'm not a repairer, but I'm very happy with the powered one I have. Other than a crackly fader, no probs at all. :D

AHHH the crackly faders!!!!!

i DID once have aBehringer box mixer
i tried to kill it through abuse but couldnt so i sold it to a pub...
they overloaded it
abused it
put way too many speakers on it
used it for groups.
used it for disco
abused it for Kroakie!
and the things still there and working 4 years on!!!!till 3 every night!!!
If you get a good one you get a good one!!!
Cheers

[diydisco]

whilst behringer are a budget brand, they have their uses and they do have the odd gem of a product

those who are into their sound systems love the Behringer DCX2496 units, highly regarded and competes very well with units 3-4 times the price

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I'm very happy with the powered one I have. Other than a crackly fader, no probs at all. :D

Haven't you got that sorted yet? :eek: :D

Personally, I think the powered mixer Peter has is a good solid bit of kit. I used it for quite a while for P.A. hire, karaoke and a few other applications and never had any problems with it.

The FX are good, the sound quality is not too bad and they are fairly solidly built. I also never had any problems with it not being loud enough either. I must have used more sensitive speakers than the OP.

Other than a crackly fader, no probs at all. :D

[DazzyD]

To put the record straight, I sometimes use a Behringer power mixer when I do a walk-in, walk-out for a certain local operator and it does the job. But, my personal opinions are still the same with regards to the manufacturer as a whole (and, yes, I have tried a number of products over the years including mixers and even microphones!).

I can understand the Behringer-supporting crowd but I'm amazed no-one has come back at me about the KAM speakers! (NOT!!!) :D :D :D

[wayne128]

ive tried the mixer today with some more speakers i had at my local just some small 12 inch 300 watt speakers don;t know the make but still 8 ohm and yes it is without a doubt the Kam speakers causing all my heartache
Thanks all
Wayne

[Excalibur]

Haven't you got that sorted yet? :eek: :D
In all honesty, I haven't needed to. ;) I tend to set them at a level, and leave them.



Personally, I think the powered mixer Peter has is a good solid bit of kit. .
To paraphrase a well worn phrase that will fly over the heads of the kiddies: " Well you would, wouldn't you? " :D :D :D :D :D :D


The FX are good, the sound quality is not too bad and they are fairly solidly built. I also never had any problems with it not being loud enough either. I must have used more sensitive speakers than the OP.
Define "Loud enough". You and I know its limitations, and wouldn't expect it to fill Wembley stadium. It is however eminently suitable for what you used/I use it for.



Other than a crackly fader, no probs at all. :D
Agreed.

[wayne128]

got some peavey pro 12s @4ohm sound a lot better thanks for your help:D

[wayne128]

changed my mind after a few more gigs ive decided the mixer is not very good to say the least it has been sold to a mate as a backup i like the peavey pro 12s though so its not all bad