Feeling tired & not enjoying gigs

[Charlie Brown]

Rubbish again.

Worked 9-6 all this week and straight to a gig tonight which I hated because I was so tired. Really didn't enjoy it. Up again at 9.00am to work 10.00am-4.00pm. Home and shower before gigging again and on Sunday evening too.

[funkymook]

Rubbish again.

Worked 9-6 all this week and straight to a gig tonight which I hated because I was so tired. Really didn't enjoy it. Up again at 9.00am to work 10.00am-4.00pm. Home and shower before gigging again and on Sunday evening too.

Stick in there Charlie - we all have periods like that.

It's great when we feel on top form and have as much fun as the audience, but to still give a great service when you're not feeling like it is what sorts out the professionals from the fly by night amateurs! You'll soon get your mojo back.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Rubbish again.

Worked 9-6 all this week and straight to a gig tonight which I hated because I was so tired. Really didn't enjoy it. Up again at 9.00am to work 10.00am-4.00pm. Home and shower before gigging again and on Sunday evening too.

Jesus Charlie, you should be pleased that you re earning.

I can't believe someone of your ages is having an issue with this.

I do those sort of hours and more every week without fail.

[Charlie Brown]

Jesus Charlie, you should be pleased that you re earning.

I can't believe someone of your ages is having an issue with this.

I do those sort of hours and more every week without fail.

True. But if I'm not enjoying it then what's the point. :shrug:

[Nexus]

Up at 9.00am?!!!!!!! Heaven

[Silver]

True. But if I'm not enjoying it then what's the point. :shrug:

So why are you not having fun, because you are tired?

[Charlie Brown]

So why are you not having fun, because you are tired?

I think so. When I'm tired - I'm in a rubbish mood. I'm just not enjoying the gigs. :(

[Jonathan Ford]

Surely gigs aren't about our enjoyment, but more about providing a decent service and getting your hands on the lucre. As long as you're doing that, enjoying it is a distant 3rd, 4th, 5th?? It is work, after all.

[Silver]

I think so. When I'm tired - I'm in a rubbish mood. I'm just not enjoying the gigs. :(

I can understand that. It's not the easiest thing to do, to get motivated when your're tired. If you've got time, thought about the gym to get your fitness/energy levels up?

One thing I must say about you is that you seem to be an honest lad. Wear your heart on your sleeve (nothing wrong with that). http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-638.gif

[hammy]

Rubbish again.

Worked 9-6 all this week and straight to a gig tonight which I hated because I was so tired. Really didn't enjoy it. Up again at 9.00am to work 10.00am-4.00pm. Home and shower before gigging again and on Sunday evening too.

Friday i started work at 4am done a days work straight to a gig in London finished that gig at 2am this morning then up at 7:30 am to take littleun to football and loving it, Charlie I think your in the wrong job if your not enjoying it buddy

[Charlie Brown]

I can understand that. It's not the easiest thing to do, to get motivated when your're tired. If you've got time, thought about the gym to get your fitness/energy levels up?

One thing I must say about you is that you seem to be an honest lad. Wear your heart on your sleeve (nothing wrong with that). http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-638.gif

Thanks. :) I like to think I am.

I've thought about the gym but it's not really my cup of tea. I've never really been a fitness freak.

I used to get a real buzz from working but there doesn't seem to be any sparkle or excitement anymore.


, Charlie I think your in the wrong job if your not enjoying it buddy

Exactly what I've been thinking for a while. When I told Mum she said ' What do you expect! Your a growing lad blah blah' :D

[Kernow]

I can understand that. It's not the easiest thing to do, to get motivated when your're tired. If you've got time, thought about the gym to get your fitness/energy levels up?

One thing I must say about you is that you seem to be an honest lad. Wear your heart on your sleeve (nothing wrong with that). http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-638.gif

Or maybe a little more sleep when the opportunity is there, and not staying up half the night on forums & facebook ? ;)
C'mon Charlie get back that buzz we all so admire in you :thumbs_up:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I was just 19 when I started DJing and it was full on within months. I was doing a full time job working as a window fabricator in a factory from 8.00am - 4.00pm and also DJing 3 nights a week (Mon, Thurs & Fri) in a club from 9.00pm - 02.00am. Mondays were the worst as I also did Karate from 6.00pm - 8.00pm but I was a lot younger then and used to do this thing called SLEEP whenever I could...I even had a lay-in from time to time!

Midweek gigs do me in a bit but now and I don't do a full time job anymore. My sleep pattern is wrecked and I have been used to around 6 hours for the past 15 years (unless I'm ill).

Charlie, you're young. You should have loads of energy mate and be loving every minute of it. I reckon you are simply trying too hard with the Disco thing and not enjoying it but we all have times like that. I'll be honest here mate but I reckon DJing as a business may not be for you. It's probably gone from a hobby that you enjoyed and then you've seen people doing well on here running businesses and have taken on too much work...not too much in that you're booked 3 or 4 times a week but too much in that it isn't a hobby or enjoyable anymore.

I also think that again, at your age you want to go out socialising more than you want to DJ. You work full time and are obviously saying you're tired but you have commitments to bookings because you've taken them on and more than likely at times, would rather go out on the town with your mates or chill out rather than do a party for someone when your mind isn't in it. Don't get me wrong but if you are feeling like this then it will show and you may end up getting yourself a bad name.

What you need to do is take a break away from it for a few months. Concentrate on doing the 9-5 and see if you miss the DJing or pick and choose when you want to work (once a month?) and that way you may really look forward to it and it's still an extra few quid in your pocket.

I did the exact same thing mate - A few years back I was DJing 5 nights a week and that's all I did as I was working for someone else at the time. I didn't enjoy it at times and it became 'just a job' rather than something I loved doing so I stopped doing it for a year and tried to get myself a career doing something else. I got a really decent job (luckily) and enjoyed working 9-5 with my evenings and weekends free to myself but then I started to get the itch to do it again. I eased myself in with 1 or 2 gigs a month and then started to realise that I actually wanted to do it as a business and never work for anyone else again so I went full on.

The thing is....not many people get to do something they love and make a living out of it being their own boss. I feel very fortunate as I am sure others do on here but it's hard work.

All I can see from the way you've posted is it being not for you...well, maybe not at this moment in time anyway.

[Charlie Brown]

Interesting post Gary. Thanks for sharing. I don't want to be a DJ for ever. Ideally, I would like to have a few business's. Perhaps this whole sector is the wrong way forward.

Funny thing is...they all loved last night and I got a tip but didn't enjoy it personally. It's probably a moody teenage crisis I'm going through ATM. :lol:

I'll go into town after my gig tonight...I'm looking forward to that. I think I just miss people my age. Miss messing around and being silly. I'm sat in reception now with a lovely 30 year old. We get on really well but there is only so much I can take with her yapping on about her step son and him doing well at swimming!

[Stu]

A little tip which i found helped me, do more gigs for people your own age.

I'm 22 and have been DJing parties since i was 16, weddings since i was 18. Generally speaking, I hate weddings. They don't interest me, but i can do them well and the pay is good so i do them. However, i love doing 16th's, 18th's, 21st's, school proms, uni balls, bars and clubs. So i do as many of them as possible and then fill in around them with Weddings. That way i get the best of both worlds, still enjoy my job most of the time yet still earn a good crust over the year.

Might be worth a thought Charlie.

[Paul The Party Dj]

Charlie, I get the feeling your passion is being in business and not being a DJ.
There's no problem in that, but it does mean that you have a different perspective to some of the members here.

If you still want to have time with people of just your age then schedule time to do that. Pick one or more times a week when you are just going to do the stuff 17 year olds want to do. If that means you don't take disco bookings at those times then so be it - the decision is yours.

The fact that older people talk to you like an adult is a good thing - but if you aren't interested in what they have to say unless it's to your benefit then you should look at yourself.

Many of us older DJ's have held down multiple jobs at times in our lives because we chose to - circumstances often made us work a lot harder than we might have liked because of our responsibilities - but it was our choice. What you do every moment of every day is your decision - if you don't like it then change it.

Cheers, Paul

[nisfo]

Just don't stress over it.

Stress & lack of needed sleep can be a viscous circle and make you really ill.

When I first brought my house, I worked 12 hour weekdays and 10 hours Saturday & Sunday for 9 months. And still fitted gigs in. Tough times though.

Now I own my house, so I can chill out more than I would have been able to if I didn't do all of those hours.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

True. But if I'm not enjoying it then what's the point. :shrug:

Do you really think that I have enjoyed every moment of the last 27 years?

Don't you think there are times when I really don't feel like it?

Sorry, I have no sympathy for this Charlie. You are 17 and have only recently started working!


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I'll go into town after my gig tonight...

So, you're so knackered that you are going into town after your gig? :daft:

[MBK]

Do you really think that I have enjoyed every moment of the last 27 years?

Don't you think there are times when I really don't feel like it?

Sorry, I have no sympathy for this Charlie. You are 17 and have only recently started working!



So, you're so knackered that you are going into town after your gig? :daft:


I have to agree life and work isn't easy.

My sons do exactly the same thing say they are so knackered sit in the lounge falling asleep then the phone rings and they go out to the town and get in in wee small hours get up moaning that they are so knackered.

[Charlie Brown]

Might be worth a thought Charlie.

Indeed! And for me it's the other way round. :o I hate the teenage gigs but love the older music/challenge weddings and 50ths/60ths give me. I've decided to turn down the teenage gigs...which is quite a lot. Average - 3 a month.


Charlie, I get the feeling your passion is being in business and not being a DJ.
There's no problem in that, but it does mean that you have a different perspective to some of the members here.


You've hit the nail on the head. I've realised (no disrespect to people on here) but you can't make mega mega mega bucks by DJing/owning a agency...unless it's international of course. ;)

I do enjoy older company. I'm called the 17 going on 70 year old in the office. I enjoy working and mixing with older people but miss 'messing around' occasionally with folk my age.

I'm not sure what I want to do yet....

And who started a thread? I certainly didn't! :lol:

[chrisj]

Rubbish again.

Worked 9-6 all this week and straight to a gig tonight which I hated because I was so tired. Really didn't enjoy it. Up again at 9.00am to work 10.00am-4.00pm. Home and shower before gigging again and on Sunday evening too.

You should be so lucky. I remember when I worked 7 days a week building control gear for the channel tunnel, weekdays 6am until 8pm 'cause it was urgent, weekends 8 until 4 but often finished earlier Fridays for a gig and then another Saturday.
Couldn't do it now though as I am 43years older than you. Your're young Charlie and I'm sure you really enjoy it even if you are a bit tired.

[Charlie Brown]

Do you really think that I have enjoyed every moment of the last 27 years?

Don't you think there are times when I really don't feel like it?

Sorry, I have no sympathy for this Charlie. You are 17 and have only recently started working!



So, you're so knackered that you are going into town after your gig? :daft:

I'm not asking for sympathy. :confused: I didn't start the thread.

I am only 17. I kind of feel like I should be going out, wasting money and enjoying myself. My manager (I thought it was quite rude) said 'I remember being your age. I was out getting drunk and having a good time. What will you remember? Filing and taking people round properties?'

I know he was joking but it did make me think.


Your're young Charlie and I'm sure you really enjoy it even if you are a bit tired.

I did love it but this year (2011) my enjoyment has dropped. Hence Posh...new venture...new things

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I'm not asking for sympathy. :confused: I didn't start the thread.

I am only 17. I kind of feel like I should be going out, wasting money and enjoying myself. My manager (I thought it was quite rude) said 'I remember being your age. I was out getting drunk and having a good time. What will you remember? Filing and taking people round properties?'

I know he was joking but it did make me think.

Sorry, but you seem to spend your life drinking and you're not even old enough!

[Charlie Brown]

Sorry, but you seem to spend your life drinking and you're not even old enough!

:lol:

Yes, I do like a drink. I'm probably being hypocritical.

[Corabar Steve]

And who started a thread? I certainly didn't! :lol:
Technically you did. The first post was copied (along with the posts that followed it) in it's entirety form the Good Gig, Bad Gig thread.

Just an exercise in tidying the thread As the subsequent 13 posts were relating to your comment about being tired & not the gig in question, which you didn't really say much about.

[Charlie Brown]

Technically you did. The first post was copied (along with the posts that followed it) in it's entirety form the Good Gig, Bad Gig thread.

Just an exercise in tidying the thread As the subsequent 13 posts were relating to your comment about being tired & not the gig in question, which you didn't really say much about.

No worries Steve. :)

[Corabar Steve]

I thought it warranted a thread in it's own right rather than deleting the OT posts in the other thread.

[Excalibur]

Jesus Charlie, you should be pleased that you re earning.

I can't believe someone of your ages is having an issue with this.

I do those sort of hours and more every week without fail.
And yet I seemto remember you posting that you'd had a hard week, and were feeling the strain. Quite recently. Which led in some part to you rejigging the kit.

If this goes on much more, I'm going to find three more Yorkshiremen, and write a sketch. ;) :D :D :D :D :D


A little tip which i found helped me, do more gigs for people your own age.

Might be worth a thought Charlie.
I like to do them for the younger ones. Keeps me sharp. Old folk, I can do on autopilot. ;)

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Doing too much then Charlie,

I did similiar hours to you and in all fairness as sad as it sounds I wouldnt want to be doing anything else in my spare time than DJ. I only gave up the day job when I had enough of that job.

There is a saying, nothing worth having comes for free or something similiar.......

[Dynamic Entertainment]

Charlie, at one point (when I was 18-19) my week went like this:
Monday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
5.30pm-10.30pm - Chef
Tuesday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
5.30pm-10.30pm - Chef
Wednesday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
5.30pm-10.30pm - Chef
Thursday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
5.30pm-10.00pm - Chef
11pm-3am - Club DJ
Friday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
7pm-12 midnight - Either Pub DJ or Mobile
Saturday
9am-3pm - Chef
7pm-12 midnight either Pub DJ or Mobile...if I was in the pub, then;
12.30a,-3am - Club DJ
Sunday
9am-3pm - Chef

I slept usually from 4pm onwards on the Sunday, i slept as soon as i got home on a Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday...and i drank a hell of a lot off coffee and had a constant supply of Red Bull and Proplus! ;)

[BeerFunk]

Charlie, at one point (when I was 18-19) my week went like this:
Monday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
5.30pm-10.30pm - Chef
Tuesday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
5.30pm-10.30pm - Chef
Wednesday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
5.30pm-10.30pm - Chef
Thursday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
5.30pm-10.00pm - Chef
11pm-3am - Club DJ
Friday
9am-5pm - Road Safety Oficer
7pm-12 midnight - Either Pub DJ or Mobile
Saturday
9am-3pm - Chef
7pm-12 midnight either Pub DJ or Mobile...if I was in the pub, then;
12.30a,-3am - Club DJ
Sunday
9am-3pm - ChefBlimey, the roads couldn't have been very safe at the weekend!!! :eek: ;)

[Charlie Brown]

But that isn't a life?

You're living to work? Where's the fun in that.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

But that isn't a life?

You're living to work? Where's the fun in that.

Thats the difference Charlie. I enjoy(ed) all the jobs ive done. Cheffing was a laugh because we were a close knitt group. DJing was (is) my sociable time because i see friends out and a bout and still get one or two beers at the pub/club, and the RS work was a piece of cake.

Callum - You wanna see some of the junction designs i done when off my nut on caffine rushes ;)

[Charlie Brown]

Thats the difference Charlie. I enjoy(ed) all the jobs ive done. Cheffing was a laugh because we were a close knitt group. DJing was (is) my sociable time because i see friends out and a bout and still get one or two beers at the pub/club, and the RS work was a piece of cake.

Callum - You wanna see some of the junction designs i done when off my nut on caffine rushes ;)

I bet you were on a decent wage though. Fair play if you enjoyed it. :)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

The problem with you Charlie is that you say you appreciate the advice and that you listen but in reality, I don't think you do either. You're saying you're tired and it's obvious that because of this, you aren't enjoying the DJing etc but then you say you want to put more work into the POSH thing?

People will stop advising you and trying to help you in the end because you aren't listening. I knew you were young but I didn't realise you were only 17 and once again....yawn, yawn...Zzzzzzz I don't want to patronise you but you have a lot to learn mate. Get out there, work hard and enjoy yourself. It won't be long before the years start catching up with you and you'll HAVE to and NEED to start thinking properly about what you want to do in life.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

And yet I seemto remember you posting that you'd had a hard week, and were feeling the strain. Quite recently. Which led in some part to you rejigging the kit.



Er, yeah, and?

I still put the hours in and am a lot older with a lot more responsibility then Charlie and have been doing this a long time.

Point missed there I think?

[Dynamic Entertainment]

I bet you were on a decent wage though. Fair play if you enjoyed it. :)

Kind of...the RS work wasnt as i was classed as "in training", but the money want the point back then. I didnt have the bills i have now, so money wasnt so far up the list.

[STEVE HANLEY]

Charlie..You live with your mother. The only household bill you have is what you give your mum to feed you and keep you. You have a full time job, a successful dj/disco business with a few other irons also in the fire.

My point is Charlie for someone your age. You have it all. You just don't know it yet;)

[BeerFunk]

Charlie..You live with your mother. The only household bill you have is what you give your mum to feed you and keep you. You have a full time job, a successful dj/disco business with a few other irons also in the fire.

My point is Charlie for someone your age. You have it all. You just don't know it yet;)You couldn't be more spot on there, Steve!

If only I could wind back the years to when I was living with my Dad, and had the money, time and opportunity I had then :)

[Dynamic Entertainment]

You couldn't be more spot on there, Steve!

If only I could wind back the years to when I was living with my Dad, and had the money, time and opportunity I had then :)

Ill second that :)

[discomobiledj]

Home....where everybody knows my name.....

Charlie, you don't know how easy you have it.

Live at home, no bills, easy life.

I used to do estate agency but alot more than you do, ie filing and speaking to customers.

I would be visiting homes, for sale and rent, visiting business, sale and rent and travelling the county.

My hours were 9am - 6pm weekdays and 9am - 5pm on a Saturday sometimes doing discos 2 or 3 times a week.

The discos were my way of letting loose and getting away from the very mundane work in the office.

As others have said you need to raise your energy levels. Go out riding a bike if you don't want to join a gym. DON'T JUST BUY AN EXERCISE BIKE!!!

As I've said to you before Charlie, and I'm not bitching or anything else, but if you don't want to do it anymore then give up. Life is far too short to think 10 - 15 years down the line "If only I..."

[Charlie Brown]

I used to do estate agency but alot more than you do, ie filing and speaking to customers.

I would be visiting homes, for sale and rent, visiting business, sale and rent and travelling the county.


True.

This week they decided to move me up a notch. I'm now doing all the viewings for around the city center. I may enjoy it more and find it actually worthwhile & rewarding.

[ppentertainments]

Charlie I think you need a good hard kick up the arse and need to grow up a hell of a lot. Harsh words but true IMO.

I'm sorry but you come across as nothing more than a lazy spoilt brat !!!

[chrisj]

You can do it Charlie. Don't let it get you down but always look to the future. If you get tired, early nights will probably sort you out.
I started at 17 in 1968, a long time ago. You are doing a lot more than I did in those days. However make sure you get your leisure time and take your mind off work.
All the best mate. I wish I had your energy. Just remember you will never stop learning. I started children's entertainment 7 years ago for something different and it has helped me a great deal with my disco work as it has taken my mind off it, a bit anyway.
Tuesday I have the pleasure to be instructed in his master class at Anglian Magic Society by Jack Devlin, one of the world's best magicians and I will completely forget about disco that evening. It will be an evening of leisure.

Sorry for going off topic.

[Daryll]

Charlie , what you need is....


Flexible, localised special promotion
Cost effective, tactically sound marketing meeting
Leveraged, internationalised multi-million dollar deal
Incentivised, selectively targeted upstream product pipeline
Integrated, multilingual competitive knock-out list
Proactive, client driven competitive analysis
Unsurpassed, cross-functional boundary marketing plan
Industry leading, high margin global systems integrator
Enhanced, market researched sales programme
Enhanced, requirements driven high yield programme

or just have a break for a few weeks to sit back and reflect .

Daryll

[funkymook]

Charlie I think you need a good hard kick up the arse and need to grow up a hell of a lot. Harsh words but true IMO.

I'm sorry but you come across as nothing more than a lazy spoilt brat !!!

Lazy? Really?

He's running a DJ business that probably has more work coming in than some others on here, trying his hand at other ventures and is also holding down a full time job (and is a full time forum contributor as well).

He's just feeling a bit knackered and is having a whinge (as we all do occasionally).

He's just writing stuff as he thinks it (which is probably how he talks as well, mouth open, both feet in :D ) - people are taking it all far too seriously, surely we know this by now.

And 'lazy spoilt brat' is just name-calling, surely there's no need to revert to that, I mean where would it all end (pee pee entertainments tee hee! :) )



all IMO of course.....

[discomobiledj]

(and is a full time forum contributor as well).

Whilst "working" at his full time job!

[funkymook]

Whilst "working" at his full time job!

Multi-tasking :D

[ppentertainments]

Lazy? Really?

He's running a DJ business that probably has more work coming in than some others on here, trying his hand at other ventures and is also holding down a full time job (and is a full time forum contributor as well).

He's just feeling a bit knackered and is having a whinge (as we all do occasionally).

He's just writing stuff as he thinks it (which is probably how he talks as well, mouth open, both feet in :D ) - people are taking it all far too seriously, surely we know this by now.

And 'lazy spoilt brat' is just name-calling, surely there's no need to revert to that, I mean where would it all end (pee pee entertainments tee hee! :) )



all IMO of course.....
:muppet:

[funkymook]

:muppet:
:D

[Chris G]

Hi Charlie,
I think how you are feeling about the gigs is natural from time to time
At times you feel more enthusiastic than others.
For myself though I know that I DJ because I honestly feel that it fulfils a basic need within me - an itch that must be scratched if you like.
I guess you will only know if you feel the same after you have been doing this a few more years!
I must admit though sometimes I get as much pleasure from securing the gigs as doing them - maybe the thrill of the chase.
I take my hat off you though to be enjoying the degree of success you seem to be having at a relatively young age - I know I wouldn't have had the guts to do it. Can only advise to hang on in there and see how you feel farther down the road.

[DJWilson]

Charlie you say your not enjoying it because your tired. Then why not take on less.

I know you want to always be out drinking with friends etc but you need to learn to juggle this and get the balance right instead of always out and about.

Also the job 9-6, the same hours as me but you've been lucky enough to get a fairly decent job with future rewards and a ladder to work your way up.

Life isn't one big party fella.

[yourdj]

Then why not take on less.

Or have a good watch of this:

Cheered me up. :)

http://www.letmewatchthis.ch/watch-545772-A-Boy-Named-Charlie-Brown

[DJ Tony McQue]

Take a break if you can or try to cut down on the amount of bookings you are taking, it sounds like you are going to burn yourself out. A break from it will give you fresh perspective on whether or not you should continue doing this.

[supersound]

If this goes on much more, I'm going to find three more Yorkshiremen, and write a sketch. ;) :D :D :D :D :D


)

And call it seeking Compo?

[James]

But that isn't a life?

You're living to work? Where's the fun in that.

Exactly

Don't make money your primary goal in life, enjoy life

[wensleydale]

Ok Mr Brown.
Here's my 2 penneth-

I think you need to have a think about what you want.

It is tough to do a "full time job" and run a business on the side, regardless of the views of some others, and I also think that you have a valid point regarding "missing out" on your youth.

You're still young, so decisions you make now can always be reversed, but there are also some you will make that will shape the next 20, 30 or 40 years of your life.

Firstly, you say that you are taking on too much- that's easily sorted- pass more work on to other DJ's - I do this as I have a full time job and want to limit the amount I work as a DJ- you could set up a referral % with DJ's you trust but make sure you do it in a way that is transparent to the client- ie dont give them the impression that CBE is turning up, unless you are sure you want to go down this route.

Longer term you need to have a think about where you want to get to- you mention having several businesses. My suggestion is that you cant suddenly have several businesses, and that most people need to build things up from nothing- walk before you can run is a good adage here.

You also need to think about what level of income you aspire to- if you want £20k a year how many discos would you need to do to hit that figure- would you be happy with that? If you were to put your efforts into Estate Agency what would that get you and would you be happy with that?

Whilst there are a few guys on here who DJ full time there are many more who dont- largely because its difficult to make a full time living out of it. You'll also find that many who do had other jobs to start with and only moved "full time" much later in life.

That doesnt mean it cant be done, but start by trying to establish what you want, and done be worried about taking your time to decide and enjoying things on the way- one of the great things about a Disco business is that you can pick and choose what you do and your website once setup has very little cost.

[MORGEY]

Hi Charlie,
Guess what.
When you wake up tomorrow you will probably feel just great.
Tuesday, so so
Wednesday, good
Thursday, fine
Friday great, etc, etc ,etc. for the rest of your life.
Not always in that order though.
We older ones know these things :)

[Matty12]

Exactly

Don't make money your primary goal in life, enjoy life

To right!!!!!!

[Cowlinn]

To right!!!!!!

Too* ;)

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie I think you need a good hard kick up the arse and need to grow up a hell of a lot. Harsh words but true IMO.

I'm sorry but you come across as nothing more than a lazy spoilt brat !!!

I couldn't disagree more. I wish I was spoilt. I wish I could be lazy. :(


Whilst "working" at his full time job!

Admittedly, it's very quiet but things are picking up and will do until September.



I must admit though sometimes I get as much pleasure from securing the gigs as doing them - maybe the thrill of the chase.


Very true. I would hate turning money/bookings away..


Or have a good watch of this:

Cheered me up. :)

http://www.letmewatchthis.ch/watch-545772-A-Boy-Named-Charlie-Brown

:lol:

I've not heard that one before. ;)


Ok Mr Brown.
Here's my 2 penneth-


Very interesting post. I agree with pretty much all of that. Earnings..in a couple of years £50k+ and then in ten £250k+. Probably won't happen but that's what I'd like to be doing. I'll probably end up having a conservatory firm or something that I know nothing about now....or I could be working at KFC. You never know what's round the corner...

I enjoyed my gig last night. I was lying on my bed shattered and didn't want to get up from my 30 minute snooze. I knew everybody was going to town so I thought I'd join them after the gig. Once I had showered etc...I went downstairs and had two tins of carling. That put me in a 'better' mood so I took 4 to the party. It made the whole couple of hours really enjoyable. There was a sound limiter in the building that probably went off 12 times but y'know. ;)

Went out and spent pretty much all my earnings...bar a tenner. :o Tonights gig went 'okay' They all enjoyed it but I really couldn't be arsed to run around and be silly. I nipped outside for a breather during half time and some idiot locked the door. There is a buzzer which you need to press (which rings a phone upstairs) if you want to gain access. The phone was off the hook so didn't ring. I could hear them all saying 'where's the DJ gone' blah blah. 'Fine! We will have to cut the cake without the happy birthday music' etc.

I was out there for 25 minutes! That put me in a foul mood. :lol:

[Shaun]

Tonights gig went 'okay' They all enjoyed it but I really couldn't be arsed to run around and be silly. I nipped outside for a breather during half time and some idiot locked the door. There is a buzzer which you need to press (which rings a phone upstairs) if you want to gain access. The phone was off the hook so didn't ring. I could hear them all saying 'where's the DJ gone' blah blah. 'Fine! We will have to cut the cake without the happy birthday music' etc.

I was out there for 25 minutes! That put me in a foul mood. :lol:

It can only happen to you. :lol:

[funkymook]

I was out there for 25 minutes! That put me in a foul mood. :lol:

Probably cheered the guests up though......

[wensleydale]

Very interesting post. I agree with pretty much all of that. Earnings..in a couple of years £50k+ and then in ten £250k+. Probably won't happen but that's what I'd like to be doing. I'll probably end up having a conservatory firm or something that I know nothing about now....or I could be working at KFC. You never know what's round the corner...


Ok, but I suppose my point was how are you going to get there, as well as where to you want to be.

I'm not sure if the figures you quote are turnover, profit or something else entirely, but if you are serious about that then you need to start building up the plan.
£50k turnover for me would be 100 discos a year- which I dont want to do, therefore I know that I cant make a full time living from discos if I have to do them all by myself.

As I've said before, you dont need to have a plan that is set in stone, but you need a plan that you can work towards, even if it changes.

[Kernow]

I enjoyed my gig last night. I was lying on my bed shattered and didn't want to get up from my 30 minute snooze. I knew everybody was going to town so I thought I'd join them after the gig. Once I had showered etc...I went downstairs and had two tins of carling. That put me in a 'better' mood so I took 4 to the party. It made the whole couple of hours really enjoyable. Went out and spent pretty much all my earnings...bar a tenner. :o
:eek:
Charlie, if we had a smilie for "alarm bells", they'd be ringing loud !!.:(
Just please, for your own sake, be aware of the path you're on and where it may lead ;)

[wensleydale]

:eek:
Charlie, if we had a smilie for "alarm bells", they'd be ringing loud !!.:(
Just please, for your own sake, be aware of the path you're on and where it may lead ;)

Agree entirely- people are paying you to work, not to have a few beers and play a couple of songs at the same time.

[Kernow]

Agree entirely- people are paying you to work, not to have a few beers and play a couple of songs at the same time.

Albeit, rather more than a few. Before, during and after a gig :confused:, it seems more like 'at every opportunity, to make me feel better' :(
That's a path that needs a barrier as soon as possible, and the only person who can install one is Charlie himself ;)

[discomobiledj]

Apart from the fact that you're only 17 of course.

If you need a beer to cheer yourself up then you should book yourself an appointment with your GP who can refer you.

You say you're shattered but then you go out and party. You need to make your mind up and soon.

Back to the business of the letting agents....rentals are bankers the whole year round, not just during a window in the year. Why do you think loads of estate agents suddenly decided to start offering lettings as part of their business? BECAUSE IT'S EASY MONEY!

[Charlie Brown]

I wasn't drunk or silly. They had no idea I'd even had a drink. I don't need a drink to be happy either. It made the gig more enjoyable and I reckon I did a very good set. (No, I wasn't deluded because of a few drinks...the dancefloor and comments at the end confirmed it.)

I was shattered but I can't live in bed forever. I need to have a life and if it means going out one night out of seven...so be it. I tend to get a second wind of energy, especially after a few beverages. I feel better for going out and socialising. I feel like working pays off?

Steve, that may be the case in your office but certainly not ours. Being located in the city center, most of our properties are flash apartments. Foreign students come over during the summer ready for the new academic year. FHP make more money in May to September than they do in the rest of the year put together!

[discomobiledj]

I tend to get a second wind of energy, especially after a few beverages.

This is a VERY dangerous road Charlie. Be careful.


Steve, that may be the case in your office but certainly not ours. Being located in the city center, most of our properties are flash apartments. Foreign students come over during the summer ready for the new academic year. FHP make more money in May to September than they do in the rest of the year put together!

When I worked in the estate agents we were in the centre of town. It makes no odds where the agency is based. Maybe they should start looking at the "lower" end of the rental market, otherwise you could be finding that come September you're out the door.

[Charlie Brown]

All of the homes for sale are a million plus. It's real high end stuff. Established for over 10 years, four offices and 140 members of staff...I'm not worrying. Thanks for your concern though Steve. ;)

[Dynamic Entertainment]

I wasn't drunk or silly. They had no idea I'd even had a drink. I don't need a drink to be happy either. It made the gig more enjoyable and I reckon I did a very good set. (No, I wasn't deluded because of a few drinks...the dancefloor and comments at the end confirmed it.)

I was shattered but I can't live in bed forever. I need to have a life and if it means going out one night out of seven...so be it. I tend to get a second wind of energy, especially after a few beverages. I feel better for going out and socialising. I feel like working pays off?

Steve, that may be the case in your office but certainly not ours. Being located in the city center, most of our properties are flash apartments. Foreign students come over during the summer ready for the new academic year. FHP make more money in May to September than they do in the rest of the year put together!

:D

[Mister Musicman]

Why did you get up so early (9am) - was the bed wet:confused:

Rob (Mister Musicman)
www.mistermusicman.co.uk


PEOPLE MAY FORGET WHAT YOU SAY OR LOOK LIKE, BUT THEY WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER HOW YOU MADE THEM FEEL.

[Charlie Brown]

Why did you get up so early (9am) - was the bed wet:confused:

Rob (Mister Musicman)
www.mistermusicman.co.uk


PEOPLE MAY FORGET WHAT YOU SAY OR LOOK LIKE, BUT THEY WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER HOW YOU MADE THEM FEEL.

The bed wasn't wet. No. :D

Do you know how to make signatures?

[Charlie Brown]

Hated it...so much so, at the end of the evening, I told them not to call me again because I no longer do teen parties.

If anyone would like to cover my gig tomorrow, please PM me. I will PM Dave anyway. It's not fair on the client when I'm in a mood like this. Cheers

[DJWilson]

Hated it...so much so, at the end of the evening, I told them not to call me again because I no longer do teen parties.

If anyone would like to cover my gig tomorrow, please PM me. I will PM Dave anyway. It's not fair on the client when I'm in a mood like this. Cheers


Woah!!! Charlie mate, I think you need some time out to chill and not always be out with mates, just take a weekend or two off and enjoy some peaceful evenings at home.

[Charlie Brown]

Woah!!! Charlie mate, I think you need some time out to chill and not always be out with mates, just take a weekend or two off and enjoy some peaceful evenings at home.

Nah, it's not that. I'm just sick and tired of teen parties. This is the fourth one in the last two weeks. Even the kids attending are getting bloody bored. I've told them to try someone else because I ain't playing 'Born this way' ever again. :Censored:

[DJWilson]

Nah, it's not that. I'm just sick and tired of teen parties. This is the fourth one in the last two weeks. Even the kids attending are getting bloody bored. I've told them to try someone else because I ain't playing 'Born this way' ever again. :Censored:


Is it the same group of mates attending?

Why not do things differently and unexpected.

What I'm going to be doing in summer for one thing is:

Music suddently cuts with a blackout, while the room fills of smoke, the odd strobe and stuck CD effect and a build up then a massive tune drops. (Still working on it) but you catch my drift.

[discomobiledj]

But it's not about what you want to play, it's about what the client wants.

[Charlie Brown]

Is it the same group of mates attending?

Why not do things differently and unexpected.

What I'm going to be doing in summer for one thing is:

Music suddently cuts with a blackout, while the room fills of smoke, the odd strobe and stuck CD effect and a build up then a massive tune drops. (Still working on it) but you catch my drift.

I do get your drift and that's exactly what I did tonight. It was the first time I was able to use smoke. I just detested it. Tomorrow night it's also my uncles party. He is dying of cancer (sometime this year) so is holding a mini bash. :(


But it's not about what you want to play, it's about what the client wants.

True. I'm just sick of it hence my excitement over that other playlist.

[Corabar Steve]

Tomorrow night it's also my uncles party. He is dying of cancer (sometime this year) so is holding a mini bash. :(
& you want to fob that off on somebody else?!?!?!?

Unbelieveable!

Just give up & sell your kit, you obviously aren't cut out for life as a mobile DJ

[ppentertainments]

Charlie I think you need a good hard kick up the arse and need to grow up a hell of a lot. Harsh words but true IMO.

I'm sorry but you come across as nothing more than a lazy spoilt brat !!!
I stick by my earlier comment, which you seem to be proving to be correct.

In the 'real world' I know of many who agree also.

What is worrying is that you seemed to have changed a lot since leaving school. Once upon a time you were dedicated and really hardworking (yes you had your gaffs but who doesn't).

Have a bit think Charlie ;)

[hammy]

Charlie this is a personal question and obviously dont have to answer it, Is your time spent doing disco`s getting in the way of drinking with your pals???, I ask this as you keep going back to "having time with friends at the weekend", If so how much drinking are you doing with them ?.(counsellor in the making here :D ).

[wensleydale]

I think you're just taking on too much Charlie- why not just limit yourself to 1 gig a fortnight or similar?

It's easy for people to say "you're young, you should have loads of energy" and that may be true, but it doesn't mean that you should want to do a 9-5 job and then give up most of your weekends too.

Why not have a look at your diary and see if there is any work you can get covered - and limit what you do.

I guess longer term I go back to my earlier post- you need to have a think about which direction you want to go in.
Seeing mates on a Fri and Sat night is not an unreasonable thing to want to do, but if you want to DJ as well then you will struggle to do both.

[Charlie Brown]

& you want to fob that off on somebody else?!?!?!?

Unbelieveable!

Just give up & sell your kit, you obviously aren't cut out for life as a mobile DJ

:confused: I'm not fobbing it onto anybody. That isn't the reason I don't want to do the gig.

You're right though. Running around like a blue arse fly and pretending to enjoy something you're not - isn't for me.




What is worrying is that you seemed to have changed a lot since leaving school. Once upon a time you were dedicated and really hardworking (yes you had your gaffs but who doesn't).

Have a bit think Charlie ;)

I have. Big time. I don't partially like myself either. I feel like everything is falling apart TBH.


Charlie this is a personal question and obviously dont have to answer it, Is your time spent doing disco`s getting in the way of drinking with your pals???, I ask this as you keep going back to "having time with friends at the weekend", If so how much drinking are you doing with them ?.(counsellor in the making here :D ).

Nah, it's not all about going out with mates. Last night after the gig Dad and I went to listen to a American band which was nice. I just didn't enjoy it whatsoever. I'm not as confident on the mic and couldn't really get them excited. They're probably bored like me. Maybe the wedding I've got in a couple of weeks will change things.

[hammy]

. I'm not as confident on the mic .

I have seen videos on here which shows different ;)

[Corabar Steve]

I have. Big time. I don't partially like myself either. I feel like everything is falling apart TBH.
In which case a break is most definitely in order. Try & get through this weekend. Then, get the rest of your gigs for the next say... 2 months? covered & come back fresh & see how it goes. If you still feel the same, maybe it is time to hang up the headphones.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

In which case a break is most definitely in order. Try & get through this weekend. Then, get the rest of your gigs for the next say... 2 months? covered & come back fresh & see how it goes. If you still feel the same, maybe it is time to hang up the headphones.

I agree and sorry to say Charlie, but I really think this is rather pathetic after only DJing and working for a matter of months.

*old person speech alert*

When I was your age, I couldn't wait to gig. In fact I would have done it for nothing. I took everything I could to learn and progress.

I think you've come too far too quick.

I worked a full time job and DJ'd for about 6 or 7 years and you are knackered after a few months? I just don't understand.

[ppentertainments]

I think you've come too far too quick.

I think you have hit the nail on the head there Darren. You see it all the time - DJ's starting off one minute, the next they advertise as though they are big massive companies with all the kit and services under the sun.

Charlie - why not try and ease off a bit and stop putting so much pressure on yourself. Do a few gigs a month - nothing else, just simple gigs, then progress slowly if you feel you would like to.

[funkymook]

Not a criticism Charlie, but an observation.

I think one major factor is the love of music!

I don't get that feeling with Charlie, it appears to be a general liking for music (which is good of course) but a business first.

Ask most DJ's on here and they will have a particular genre/style/niche of music they really really love (not just like, but a trainspottery obsessive love!) and a misspent youth of gigs and clubs. From that love they got into DJ'ing, then came the business side of things.

I think the missing part for Charlie is that real passion for music! It's what keeps most DJ's going even when it's not their particular choice of tunes (and what a bonus when it is!)

Of course Charlie can prove me totally wrong by revealing his love for pre 1940's Bierkeller Oompah Anthems (Now That's What I Call Lederhosen) on the original wax cylinders!

[Silver]

Charlie - why not try and ease off a bit and stop putting so much pressure on yourself. Do a few gigs a month - nothing else, just simple gigs, then progress slowly if you feel you would like to.

I think you are right. One of the problems I feel (Note to self - prepare to be bannned ! http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10102.gif ) is the forum. :D

Charlie is at an impressionable age, brain cells running amok, where does my future lie? ... Shall I be a dj, no a posh party provider, no an estate agent, no a chocolate fountain expert, no a dancefloor hirer, no a fireworks technician, no I'll do the LOT! He has seen all these ideas being used successfully by people on this forum.

However the one big differerence is that those people are much older and have learned through experience what they can offer and do well at. They have also built things up at a slower rate, not trying to run before walking.

For me and I feel some agree Charlie should slow down, and be focused. Cut down the amount of gigs, be choosy, double/triple your rates to cut out 'price hunters', take less but better fee payers.

There is a big difference in life between want and need. I'm guessing you are at the 'want' stage in life. I, along probably with many others here have been there. Trust me you'll know when you get to the 'need' point, life is somewhat different then! http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10090.gif

[theoloyla]

I've been doing this now for 45 years and I still enjoy it. Some gigs are better than others and a few are down right tedious but mostly I get a good feeling from helping people to enjoy themselves and when I have a really good night with the audience cheering and screaming there is no better feeling in the world. If I had wanted to be rich I would have continued with my chosen profession and become an accountant (I gave up half way through my training). If you dont have to do it and you are not enjoying it then stop.

[Mark Wild]

Come on you big Diva ! Pull your socks up !

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I've been doing this now for 45 years and I still enjoy it. Some gigs are better than others and a few are down right tedious but mostly I get a good feeling from helping people to enjoy themselves and when I have a really good night with the audience cheering and screaming there is no better feeling in the world. If I had wanted to be rich I would have continued with my chosen profession and become an accountant (I gave up half way through my training). If you dont have to do it and you are not enjoying it then stop.


Well said Theo. I've only been doing it for 4 years but like you and Darren mentioned I still get a great buzz from this. Certainly not in it for the money!

[flatliners]

If your feeling that bad then i think you should give up the djing or take a year out in the 20+ years i have been djing i have never felt like that

[Charlie Brown]

In which case a break is most definitely in order. Try & get through this weekend. Then, get the rest of your gigs for the next say... 2 months? covered & come back fresh & see how it goes. If you still feel the same, maybe it is time to hang up the headphones.

Very true. I will see how the wedding goes in a couple of weeks and take it from there.



I think you've come too far too quick.

I worked a full time job and DJ'd for about 6 or 7 years and you are knackered after a few months? I just don't understand.

I do get bored easily. The challenge and excitement of Charlie Brown's Entertainment is over and I want to do something else which is a step further with more money involved. You're right...I have moved on fast and there's only so long I can keep going at such a pace.

I keep asking myself...'what next?' I feel like I've cocked it all up. No a levels and 85% of the people I know are going off to Uni for 3 years. I should be doing that.



Charlie - why not try and ease off a bit and stop putting so much pressure on yourself. Do a few gigs a month - nothing else, just simple gigs, then progress slowly if you feel you would like to.

I understand why you've put that but it's the tedious/boring gigs (like last nights teen party) that are making me go crackers.

It's been like this...

4th March - High School Valentines Disco
5th March - Trent 13th Birthday
11th March - 13th High School Birthday
12th March - 13th High School Birthday
13th March - 12th Birthday at a unknown school
18th March - 13th Trent Birthday
19th March - 13th Trent Birthday

.......

ALL of it has been horrible top 40 music. All of them two & a half hours of hell. :o :o



I don't get that feeling with Charlie, it appears to be a general liking for music (which is good of course) but a business first.


You got it. :)

I do it for the money...and money only. Like Darren said - when he was my age, he would DJ for free. I am driven to make money and succeed but I don't think I'm taking the right path (again!)


I think you are right. One of the problems I feel (Note to self - prepare to be bannned ! http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10102.gif ) is the forum. :D

For me and I feel some agree Charlie should slow down, and be focused. Cut down the amount of gigs, be choosy, double/triple your rates to cut out 'price hunters', take less but better fee payers.


Again, a very good point. You lot should work for The Jermey Kyle show. :D

I do look at people older than me (Paul, Darren, Corbora, Ben, Danno...and the whole forum) and ask myself - 'why can't I be like them.' I think it's important to aspire to your elders and if possible, strive to be better than them so the next generation can aspire to me. :D


Come on you big Diva ! Pull your socks up !

:lol: :boxer2:

[Corabar Entertainment]

I do it for the money...and money only. ...and for as long as that is your main aspiration in life, you will never be focused, happy and settled.

Everything seems to be about the money with you, and you leap from one thing to another expecting the money to roll in. It comes across like your goal in life is to have money, rather than money being a pleasant reward for reaching your goals.

You will never truly succeed unless and until you learn to be focused long-term on something (and not focused on the money!). Every job has boring aspects, but if you can't stick with something and accept that, nothing will ever satisfy you.

It's this attitude that is prompting the 'lazy' and 'spoilt brat' comments, because you are sounding like you're saying "I want it all, and I want it NOW! (but don't ask me to work more than 5 minutes to get it.)"

[Leicester Ben]

Just a quick one from me on this as I'm currently away on holiday but I thought I should add something.

I obviously don't know charlie very well so it's difficult to tell him what to do and how to do it.

The bottom line however is is that if you want all of the money involved in running a successful business then you need to put the hours in.

I had to work my ass off for the last 7 years or so to get where I am now and it's only really in the last 18 months that all the hard work has come together to allow me to live the life that I need now.

For years (and I do mean years) I would be working 7 days a week and stupidly long hours putting everything into place.

I never really liked the music as much as other dj's I know, for me it was more a business than a hobby. I didn't used to like going to do weddings as it constantly meant that I was missing out on nights out with friends and I lost a serious long term girlfriend because of my desire to make the business work.

In terms on what you should do then it's not really for me to say. What I will say is that if you want the success then you really need to be prepared to work exceptionally hard for the next few years. If you do this you will reap the rewards. You may find for example that in a year or so you could go part time at work to spend more time on your business and then further down the line go full time at being self employed.

One other thing to consider is that if you go down the self employed route then you are in a stronger position to take up new opportunities when they arrive as you will have the time and capital to embrace them.

Good luck

[Charlie Brown]

...and for as long as that is your main aspiration in life, you will never be focused, happy and settled.

Everything seems to be about the money with you, and you leap from one thing to another expecting the money to roll in. It comes across like your goal in life is to have money, rather than money being a pleasant reward for reaching your goals.

You will never truly succeed unless and until you learn to be focused log-term on something (and not focused on the money!). Every job has boring aspects, but if you can't stick with something and accept that, nothing will ever satisfy you.

It's this attitude that is prompting the 'lazy' and 'spoilt brat' comments, because you are sounding like you're saying "I want it all, and I want it NOW! (but don't ask me to work more than 5 minutes to get it.)"

True. I'll probably realise that soon. I'm still young, childish, naive. I don't know what I'm having for dinner tonight...never mind what carer path I'm going to take.

I did think Posh and all the rest would be an over night success...but how wrong I could be?! CBE is going well - but like Ben said...it takes time and a lot of energy. I've spent a good few years working on that 'brand' and presumed Posh & Charles would go down the same 'successful' route CBE has.

I'm not spoilt or lazy. Admittedly, my posts make me sound like I want to be spoon fed but that isn't the case. The forum allows me to express my feelings and put all my thoughts into one concise place. Obviously, that isn't what the forum is for but I do benefit from that a great deal...especially when I don't talk to my mates/mum or dad about it much.

You lot are the only people who listen, give me advice, tell me when I'm wrong and praise me when I'm doing good.

[Mark Wild]

True. I'll probably realise that soon. I'm still young, childish, naive. I don't know what I'm having for dinner tonight...never mind what carer path I'm going to take.


At your age Charlie I was so young, childish and naive, I would never have admitted to being so. ;) (you may need to ponder on that for a minute or two)

Although I did have a full time job, my own place and paid all my own bills.

[deltaforce]

got to say at your age charlie i wishe had the drive and ambition you have
you said earlier that alot of your friends are off to uni if that is what you feel you should be doing that is what you should do i think education should allways come first. i've got to say i would hate doing to many gigs i would be happy with one a month

[Excalibur]

True. I'll probably realise that soon. I'm still young, childish, naive. I don't know what I'm having for dinner tonight...never mind what carer path I'm going to take.

.

I'm Old, Childish, and Naive. So what? :confused: :D :D :D :D

[STEVE HANLEY]

Charlie you're in a rut mate. Nothing more nothing less. We all have them and wonder how the hell we got there.

Yours is simple. I think I'd be in a rut too, if my last 8 or 9 gigs consisted of playing the current top 40 and pretty much nothing else. In fact I think I would have put a shotgun in my mouth and pulled the trigger. I've been lucky recently where I've had a run of gigs where I've had a great selection of different musical tastes to be getting on with.

Chin up mate it could all change at your next gig. It only takes one good one to put you back at the top of your game again

[Excalibur]

Hated it...so much so, at the end of the evening, I told them not to call me again because I no longer do teen parties.

If anyone would like to cover my gig tomorrow, please PM me. I will PM Dave anyway. It's not fair on the client when I'm in a mood like this. Cheers


Nah, it's not that. I'm just sick and tired of teen parties. This is the fourth one in the last two weeks. Even the kids attending are getting bloody bored. I've told them to try someone else because I ain't playing 'Born this way' ever again. :Censored:
That would certainly be a little trying. :eek:


*old person speech alert*
When I was your age, I couldn't wait to gig. In fact I would have done it for nothing. I took everything I could to learn and progress.
Oi Sonny, I've warned you about this before, you young whippersnapper. :Naughty: :D :D :D :D :D The youth of today. Pah!

Actually, I agree with so much of what Young Darren says there. In many ways my youth was similar.



I think you've come too far too quick.

I worked a full time job and DJ'd for about 6 or 7 years and you are knackered after a few months? I just don't understand.
Ah, now here we have the crux of the matter. Instant gratification,the scourge of modern life. It's the "Walk before you can run " adage, if you build up gradually to the game, you don't tend to get such a "burnout" when it goes a bit griom.



I've been doing this now for 45 years and I still enjoy it. Some gigs are better than others and a few are down right tedious but mostly I get a good feeling from helping people to enjoy themselves and when I have a really good night with the audience cheering and screaming there is no better feeling in the world. If I had wanted to be rich I would have continued with my chosen profession and become an accountant (I gave up half way through my training). If you dont have to do it and you are not enjoying it then stop.

Aha, well said, Theo. Apart from wanting to be an accountant, I'm with you all the way. :thumbs_up: ( And being an accountant and a DJ aren't mutually exclusive. I used to work for my accountant, when we returned to this DJ lark, when he restarted, after both of us retired the first time.
The money from the Disco is very important to me, but so is the enjoyment.


Very true. I will see how the wedding goes in a couple of weeks and take it from there.
A change of function may make all this seem like a temporary hiccup, Charlie.




I do get bored easily. The challenge and excitement of Charlie Brown's Entertainment is over and I want to do something else which is a step further with more money involved. You're right...I have moved on fast and there's only so long I can keep going at such a pace.
Can't help you there mate, so do I. :o :o The salient point is the second bit, however. You may in fact have run before you learned to walk. ;) :(



I keep asking myself...'what next?' I feel like I've cocked it all up. No a levels and 85% of the people I know are going off to Uni for 3 years. I should be doing that.
Not necessarily. So did all my mates, Charlie. For me though, it would have been the worst thing in the world. Starting to earn a crust was a more sensible route to take in my case, and possibly yours. Possibly.





I understand why you've put that but it's the tedious/boring gigs (like last nights teen party) that are making me go crackers.
Oh Charlie, six or seven in a row would try the patience of a saint!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:




I do it for the money...and money only. Like Darren said - when he was my age, he would DJ for free. I am driven to make money and succeed but I don't think I'm taking the right path (again!)
Ah. Now we have the non sequitur. Do you do discos for fun, or money? :confused: I do them for fun, and need the money desperately. If I needed the money desperately, and didn't have the fun, I might consider something other than DJ'ing to earn a crust.



I do look at people older than me (Paul, Darren, Corbora, Ben, Danno...and the whole forum) and ask myself - 'why can't I be like them.' I think it's important to aspire to your elders and if possible, strive to be better than them so the next generation can aspire to me.
Ah, now you're getting back on track mate. Apart from Corbora, who I'm not familiar with, you've picked some excellent role models.


Chin up mate it could all change at your next gig. It only takes one good one to put you back at the top of your game again
One of the truest and most valuable points raised so far. A string of gruellers can put you down on the floor, but a great gig with a full dancefloor all night, where it all runs like clockwork, and you'll be saying-
" Look Ma, Top of the World ".
( Errrr, you may need a bit of help from Google, or Barry Norman for that last one. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D :D )




Charlie, I really think that your biggest problem is having such a long run of similar gigs, and then all being so similar, even having many of the same faces. Variety is the spice of life,and if you could perhaps try to get a bit more variation in yourwork, that might do more good than anything else.

I note that among my next gigs are:
A Karaoke staff Xmas party ( don't ask. ;) :eek: )

A Sportsman's evening, where I get to listen to some very funny entertainment for a couple of hours , (and I'm only there cos I'm cheaper than the house DJ, and if they have a disco the bar stays open an hour longer ) and I just play the last hour of the night.

Karaoke with Twinspin in one of his ( and my ) fave pubs. ( That one should be OK if I can stop him hogging the mic with his incessant chatter ) :D :D :D :D

An FFN gig, which are always great fun, apart from driving home again )

An 18th, a 40th, a 60th, and a weding.

No chance of getting bored, then. ;) :D :D :D :D :D

[chrisj]

I've been doing this now for 45 years and I still enjoy it. Some gigs are better than others and a few are down right tedious but mostly I get a good feeling from helping people to enjoy themselves and when I have a really good night with the audience cheering and screaming there is no better feeling in the world. If I had wanted to be rich I would have continued with my chosen profession and become an accountant (I gave up half way through my training). If you dont have to do it and you are not enjoying it then stop.

I have been doing it for 42 1/2 years and still in Norwich where Theo was in the 60's. I gave up the daytime job as I wanted to just see people enjoying themselves and having a good time as Theo has said he does. I will never be rich through dj/disco but it is enough to keep my family with food and a roof over us. I have teenage son and daughter to think about but the last 3 weeks have been hard as I had only 1 gig as last night was cancelled. Wish I had a full time job and all those teen gigs Charlie.
IMO you have to make a decision about what you really want to do.

[Charlie Brown]

Thanks for your responses and help.

I didn't do the gig last night as someone on the forum covered for me. This is what I've just received...(it wasn't Jon BTW)

Hi Charlie
I hope things are going ok (I am guessing what may have happened based on my recent experience).
The party was quite an experience - not unlike an episode from 'my Big Fat Gypsy Wedding'!!
Basically,without dissing _______,he was very much out of his depth and it was a bit of a disaster.
I don't want to cause you to feel bad about this I hasten to add as I really do appreciate the situation you found yourself in and the fact that you had to find a stand in at the last minute.
From what Ulee says,you have a great deal of skill personally to keep a very challenging group of teenagers engaged and participating without things degenerating into a public order incident.You are highly skilled at making the event one that the young people love to join in with through your style and interaction.At this age it seems to be more age appropriate party games with Loud music rather than 'just a disco'.
Ulees summary of previous bad parties (where you have not run the show) is that it is 'just an old bloke playing music' whist everyone ignores it and wrecks the place.
Sadly that is pretty well what happened.
My list of criticisms are numerous I am afraid;First they weren't set up ready to start as people arrived,there was trouble with a fuse that he had removed himself(!) for about 10 minutes whilst people stood around,the atmosphere didn't then take off,the music was not loud enough (when it was permitted)',he didn't interact at all and the room was quite honestly empty most of the time whilst the teenagers entertained themselves elsewhere (venue too big and posh really).
There were no games or competitions,and Ulee's summary held very true.By the end of the evening _____ looked understandably traumatised by the experience.He looked very nervous to begin with and clearly never had the skills or approach for this age group from the word go it has to be said.We ,and Ulee were/are very upset by the event.I have some empathy for ______ on one level,but I really couldn't even speak to him at the end and just got on with clearing up as he knew what had happened.
At the risk of laying it on too thickly we wish that we had cancelled the party.Ulee has seen this happen before as I said and we should of listened to him.
In conclusion I hope that you are able to utilize this feedback.I am not really interested in moaning about _____ etc,but would emphasise the fact that there is a world of difference between how you run these parties and how other 'DJ's' do.You clearly do this very well indeed which is why you are so in demand with the Trent College parties our kids go to,and why your name on the invitation flyer gets such a good response.
I would recommend that _______ parties back up should not include the younger teens,and I don't see this as a one off duff event,but a skills mismatch.
Finally,please don't dwell on this as you have much more important concerns on your plate at the present time.I am sure I will speak to you some day on the Trent party circuit,and Ulee would like to have the experience of your event and will book you again for future parties (I have 3 kids).
Take care and I hope things are as ok as they can be.
Regards
Boyd


I have removed the names because I don't want anyone getting hurt/upset but I'm baffled.

[STEVE HANLEY]

[I'm baffled.]

Me too mate:confused: :confused:

Surely whoever volunteered to take the gig on must have known what was involved

[Charlie Brown]

Me too mate:confused: :confused:

Surely whoever volunteered to take the gig on must have known what was involved

Obviously not.

Last time they covered a gig - the feedback wasn't great.

This is the last ever time I sub contract without seeing the DJ first. The guy is a very established member on here so I didn't think there would be any issues!

[Shaun]

Obviously not.

Last time they covered a gig - the feedback wasn't great.

This is the last ever time I sub contract without seeing the DJ first. The guy is a very established member on here so I didn't think there would be any issues!

So you hired the DJ again, despite your reservations after the last feedback?

And why post the above feedback on a public forum. Wouldn't it have been better to contact the DJ direct with your concerns instead of posting the clients feedback in this thread? Common decency and courtesy! I know you said you didn't post that post to "hurt/upset" them but the end result will no doubt be the same.

I honestly think you'll find it difficult to get any forum member working for you again for fear of reprisals - maybe I'm wrong, but after the post above I would never contemplate covering a gig for you if I was in the position to do so.

[Charlie Brown]

So you hired the DJ again, despite your reservations after the last feedback?

And why post the above feedback on a public forum. Wouldn't it have been better to contact the DJ direct with your concerns instead of posting the clients feedback in this thread? Common decency and courtesy! I know you said you didn't post that post to "hurt/upset" them but the end result will no doubt be the same.

I honestly think you'll find it difficult to get any forum member working for you again for fear of reprisals - maybe I'm wrong, but after the post above I would never contemplate covering a gig for you if I was in the position to do so.

Well I didn't get a formal complaint like this. It was mixed reviews. I have tried to contact the DJ and resolve payment but he got very nasty and started making minor 'threats'

Should I refund the client?

[Shaun]

Just wanted to add....my post wasn't a dig at you, it was just uncomfortable reading, and I felt bad for the other DJ when I read it.

I hope you get it resolved amicably.

[Charlie Brown]

I hope you get it resolved amicably.

So do I. :)

Should I refund the client?

[discomobiledj]

If you refund the client, you will still have to pay the DJ you subbed the job out to surely?

I thought you were doing a family party last night for your uncle? So had you double booked yourself or took both and then subbed it out at the last minute?

Also you've taken the names out but wasn't it one of the Dave's that covered it for you (you did mention this earlier in the thread)? If so then it's bad that you've posted the entire email on the forum.

[Charlie Brown]

If you refund the client, you will still have to pay the DJ you subbed the job out to surely?

I thought you were doing a family party last night for your uncle? So had you double booked yourself or took both and then subbed it out at the last minute?


Yup, I will still pay the DJ and refund the client from my own pocket. I want to know whether I should do this?

I didn't double book or sub contract this gig. I wasn't feeling myself and it wasn't fair on the client with me being in such a foul mood...so someone from the forum covered for me.

[ppentertainments]

So do I. :)

Should I refund the client?
Personally I think you should refund the client - and every client who has booked you for the future. If your feeling that bad you need to act now before letting more people down.

Also, what a way to crap on another DJ by posting that letter, that is unbelievable. I do suspect its authenticity as it was send very early the day after the party - I hope i'm wrong.

[Charlie Brown]

Personally I think you should refund the client - and every client who has booked you for the future. If your feeling that bad you need to act now before letting more people down.

I will refund him and take this as a wake up call.



Also, what a way to crap on another DJ by posting that letter, that is unbelievable. I do suspect its authenticity as it was send very early the day after the party - I hope i'm wrong.

If mods/admins think it's wrong that I've posted the feedback - please delete. I did think about that when I posted it...which is why I removed all the names. It's anonymous so I don't see what the problem is?

[Charlie Brown]

I do suspect its authenticity as it was send very early the day after the party - I hope i'm wrong.

So you think I made it up? :confused:

I am actually really upset and disappointed about what has happened. I didn't post Boyd's email on here to stir trouble but to seek some advice.

How should I reply? etc

[yourdj]

So you hired the DJ again, despite your reservations after the last feedback?

How old is this person? The client has been very dipolmatic about this situation, your lucky I think. Your personality has let you off. :)


just uncomfortable reading

very uncomfortable - I could imagine it vividly. Although it looks like they booked a venue too big or not enough guests turned up, which is always a struggle as kids wander. You need to interact and keep the stimulated. What was wrong with this DJ? He sounds very inexperienced :confused:


Personally I think you should refund the client


I will refund him and take this as a wake up call.

I think so. I would be very careful about using other people as the buck stops with you and increases you risk of getting a bad reputation. :)

I go and visit anyone I want to use at at least two gigs before letting them loose on my clients. a good meeting on neutral ground for character analysis is also important too :)


Also stop moaning about being too busy - that is only a good thing. :D
many people have to work for a month to earn what you earn in a night. especially at your age.

You are very lucky. :)

[Shaun]

It's already out there now so I won't be removing it. It's always better to err on the side of caution before hitting 'submit' than having to rely on others to clean up your mess afterwards.

[Charlie Brown]

How old is this person? The client has been very dipolmatic about this situation, your lucky I think. Your personality has let you off. :)

I think so. I would be very careful about using other people as the buck stops with you and increases you risk of getting a bad reputation. :)

I go and visit anyone I want to use at at least two gigs before letting them loose on my clients. a good meeting on neutral ground for character analysis is also important too :)


The DJ is nearly thirty but surely that's irrelevant? I will meet people beforehand now. Again, it's all a learning curve...

[yourdj]

The DJ is nearly thirty but surely that's irrelevant? I will meet people beforehand now. Again, it's all a learning curve...

I was imagining someone younger. Kids parties are really difficult. Give me a wedding anyday :p

Yep I have had a similar situation and refunded the client. never heard from the DJ, but you can be assured I have never said a good word about him. people will remember bad things 10 times more than good things. :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Jesus, why is everything such a drama with you?

Have I missed something? Did something really awful happen that caused you not to do the gig?

Learning curve?

:Censored::Censored::Censored::Censored::Censored: :Censored::Censored::Censored:. Sorry, but you have more help, information and experience here than I had in the last 20 years and you still don't get it right.

Give up Charlie.

Personally, I am fed up reading these dramas, excuses and rubbish about feeling sorry for yourself.

[Charlie Brown]

Fair enough.

I'm not making a drama out of it - just merely asking how I should respond and whether a refund is required.

[Shaun]

In my opinion there's too much emphasis on the other DJ in the situation above. We can all have "off" nights. Perhaps the clients reaction was more to do with he knows what you provide and he just didn't take to the difference in the provided service? Plus other factors like the venue being too big and perhaps not as many guests as anticipated? I'm not privvy to all the facts so I don't know what factors have come into play. Just being Devil's Advocate here.

The buck stops with you ultimately Charlie. You say it's all a learning curve but that shouldn't have been to the detriment of your client. You also had reservations about the service this DJ provided in the past (though it was mixed reviews), yet you were prepared to risk your reputation by taking the chance and sending him again out to represent your name and business. And why, because you were in a foul mood?

You need to get into the real world. Each of us have to go through difficulties and challenges day to day and do things when we might not be at our best. It's life. Deal with it.

Charlie, I honestly think maybe it's time you do take a break from DJing. I don't think you're ready to take on the responsibilities that come with being a service provider, especially when were given the task of making sure people have a great time at their (in most cases) once in a lifetime event. Sorry, but I just don't think you're cut out for it at the moment.

[Charlie Brown]

Hi Boyd,

Thank you for your constructive feedback.

I'm sincerely sorry ________ wasn't to your liking. I agree about the 'skills mixmatch' comment. I will investigate your concerns further.

Please expect a full refund within the next 14 days.



Is that okay?

Shaun - I agree.

[yourdj]

Hi Boyd,

Thank you for your constructive feedback.

I'm sincerely sorry Dave wasn't to your liking. I agree about the 'skills mixmatch' comment. I will investigate your concerns further.

Please expect a full refund within the next 14 days.



Is that okay?

Shaun - I agree.

I would have a sit down meeting with him. What has the DJ said about the situation?

This is probably not the case here but clients can really try it on at times, so its worth looking at all possibilities before mentioning the R word. :)

some clients can be a little deluded as to what they will get on the night and what they recieve.
They wind them selves up and all the preparation to making an event that just wont work (in reality) comes out.
That is then magnified by the amount of money they have spent on it.

Sunday weddings a classic example.
Everyone does not drink, no one dances much and they goes home early as they have to work the next day.
Not all the time but there is more probability than one on a saturday :)

A deluded client may then blame you even though the set was as good as it gets.

[Charlie Brown]

I would have a sit down meeting with him. What has the DJ said about the situation?

Doesn't really care..

[Shaun]

Hi Boyd,

Thank you for your constructive feedback.

I'm sincerely sorry Dave wasn't to your liking. I agree about the 'skills mixmatch' comment. I will investigate your concerns further.

Please expect a full refund within the next 14 days.



Is that okay?

Shaun - I agree.

Any reason why you felt the need to mention Dave's name?

Edit: Just noticed you edited your post after posting.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Edit: Just noticed you edited your post after posting.No - I did, but unfortunately not in time (you and Toby having quoted it too, there seems little point in editing it out now)

[Charlie Brown]

No - I did, but unfortunately not in time (you and Toby having quoted it too, there seems little point in editing it out now)

And I started editing it at the same time as you.

Please remove the names. It's not fair.

[Shaun]

And I started editing it at the same time as you.

Please remove the names. It's not fair.

You shouldn't have posted it to begin with. I also think posting the letter was unfair.

I refer you to post #119. We have better things to be doing that cleaning up your mess. Sorry.

[Charlie Brown]

THen you shouldn't have posted it to begin with. I also think posting the letter was unfair.

I refer you to post #119.

I did, asking for advice. I wanted to keep it anonymous.

This is a mess. Please close the thread because it's not helping.

[Shaun]

I'm not closing the thread either. The person in question should be in the position to offer a right of reply should he see fit. For that reason alone it's staying in place.

[Corabar Steve]

When will you realise that we don't close threads on the whim of whoever posts it.

Sort your own mess out

I for one am sick of your :Censored::Censored::Censored::Censored: ups.

There are a lot more important things in the World than Charlie Brown

[DJWilson]

Charlie, cut out the 'must have weekends' with friends for a little while and sit down to think out what to do and how your going to deal with your future bookings.

[Booche]

Right now its my turn.....

Firstly i did what i normally do and got in earlly and setup YES there was a 2minute messup for me as the extention i used had broke BUT i quickly rectified this matter even tho it was 6:55 and the lady was breathing down my neck for the 3rd time asking whether i was ready to which i explained yes in 2minutes.

After that everything went smoothly and the kids were danceing quite alot and yes they were in and out but as i did explain to you last time Charlie IM NOT A CHILDS ENTERTAINER and yes i maybe shouln't have took the gig BUT i honestly thought i was helping you out.

At the end of the night the father came over and said thankyou for a great night and he said sorry that the kids were in and out but they had a good time.

Then i get a reply off you saying that im not getting a penny as they were not happy etc etc and now i see all this rubbish.

Well from now on do yourself a favour lose my number block me on here as i dont want nothing more to do with you or your silly childish games.

As for me saying im not bothered i think you will find that i never said that i said to you that i didnt recieve any negative comments at all.

EDIT: Just to add i saw that you left out the fact that you actually LIED to the client and got me to cover your back by saying it was a "Family Emergency" when infact you told me in PM that it was a farewell due, so in other word you wanted to have a night off and drink.

[Charlie Brown]

Right now its my turn.....

Firstly i did what i normally do and got in earlly and setup YES there was a 2minute messup for me as the extention i used had broke BUT i quickly rectified this matter even tho it was 6:55 and the lady was breathing down my neck for the 3rd time asking whether i was ready to which i explained yes in 2minutes.

After that everything went smoothly and the kids were danceing quite alot and yes they were in and out but as i did explain to you last time Charlie IM NOT A CHILDS ENTERTAINER and yes i maybe shouln't have took the gig BUT i honestly thought i was helping you out.

At the end of the night the father came over and said thankyou for a great night and he said sorry that the kids were in and out but they had a good time.

Then i get a reply off you saying that im not getting a penny as they were not happy etc etc and now i see all this rubbish.

Well from now on do yourself a favour lose my number block me on here as i dont want nothing more to do with you or your silly childish games.

As for me saying im not bothered i think you will find that i never said that i said to you that i didnt recieve any negative comments at all.

EDIT: Just to add i saw that you left out the fact that you actually LIED to the client and got me to cover your back by saying it was a "Family Emergency" when infact you told me in PM that it was a farewell due, so in other word you wanted to have a night off and drink.

Understood. I didn't say 'you're not getting a penny.' :confused:

I haven't got time to reply now but I've spoke to Boyd and he isn't happy. I'm off to meet a B&G now but I'll explain what and why he complained later.

[Ecstatic Events]

Ouch - this is UGLY.

Dave - I really dont blame your reaction - VERY VERY Unprofessional Charlie :Naughty:

[djtrev]

Heavens above.
130 posts.All about CB.
Pull yourself together boy,talk to your parents,tell them your problems and get their advice. There are people on here who have spent a lot of their time sucking up to you and telling you what a fun person you are and giving you good advice.Listen to them and act on their advice.
You appear to be motivated by money above everything else.For heavens sake get your priorities right.
There are a lot of very helpful and knowledgable guys on this and other dj forums that have helped me immensly with my dj'ing but there is only so much they can do.You have to put some effort in yourself.I suggest you heed their advice and get on with it.
I was pulled over the coals for what appeared to be my selfish attitude by a member of another forum but at the risk of appearing selfish again,I am a bit tired of hearing of the trials and tribulations of CB.
Sorry if this comes over as being harsh but I am to old to keep pussy footing around people.
Rant over

[NXDisco]

Charlie... You owe Dave a MASSIVE APOLOGY... You have publicly humiliated him.

This thread should never of been opened. Well done Charlie. You have just thrown a good working relationship down the drain. Not just with Dave, but i'm affraid to say it - but with most people who have replied and people who have read this.

Why would anyone want to work with/for you after you have done this.

Sort your issues out with people face to face and directly. NEVER humiliate them.

Well done.

[hammy]

Stumped for words so :agree: :agree:

[Booche]

Understood. I didn't say 'you're not getting a penny.' :confused:

I suggest looking at what you sent via text message as i have got the text here.

"From Charlie Brown Mobile 20/03/11 10:02AM

You aint getting a penny. I have just recieved a very very long complaint."

[Ecstatic Events]

I suggest looking at what you sent via text message as i have got the text here.

"From Charlie Brown Mobile 20/03/11 10:02AM

You aint getting a penny. I have just recieved a very very long complaint."

True Colours. Im still trying to accept this mess has been put on the forum.

Charlie has blown it - big time. I dont think many respected members will be going out on a limb to help him out in the future :muppet:

[Mark Wild]

No need for people that don't know either party concerned to keep fuelling the fire for gawd sake, you're like a bunch of fish wives.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Not going to comment whatsoever on the gig being discussed, since none of us were there so do not know. The only thing about it that I will say is that is is appalling that it is being discussed in public.

What I will say to try and counter a bit of the negativity that has landed on Dave's doorstep, is that (as many of you know) Dave came down and did a few gigs for us over Christmas. The gigs he did were in a hotel where we had 1 or 2 other gigs on at the same time in other rooms. Therefore, we were there, we did see him work, and we saw the results. He was interactive with the guests, had a good dance floor going, and handled awkward situations firmly.

Although these were obviously very different types of gigs, I wanted to post this here to show a different side.

[Booche]

Just to add im not worried what he says and i know i should be as he has sort of ashamed me but in reality as said he has shown his true colors and how childish he can be.

Its not going to affect how i operate or anything ill carry on living my life exactly the same as i did before i even encountered anything to do with CB.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I really probably shouldn't comment as I have had the weekend from hell so far. I have sat there reading this thread and typed numerous replies but then deleted them straight away. My apologies...I'm tired and not really sure where I am so forgive my comments if they seem harsh. I'm not trying to make excuses but I think that the 'World of Charlie Brown' on the forum has gone beyond stupid.

Firstly, I didn't realise that the DJ in question was actually someone on here and I think it's pretty outrageous what has been posted about him. It's totally unfair and should have either been posted in the Supporters Area with the name witheld or sorted by PM.

Secondly, Charlie has the audacity and more to call me a liar in another thread yet it seems from this example (and others in the past I might add), that he seems to be an expert at it himself. You are also a hypocrite Charlie! In a PM reply to me the other day (when I asked you if you were going to apologise for calling me a liar), you almost said word for word what Darren had said (surprise surprise) regarding closing threads just because you don't like some of the replies.

As I said to you in my reply Charlie, you have clearly shown your true colours and they aren't very nice at all. You give out all this rubbish about 'representing the industry' and 'bad practice' etc...just look at yourself for a moment. Every day there is something on this forum posted by you which is just laughable. I gave you credit for giving things a go and trying to do something. People have given you advice and Darren has helped you out etc and what do you do? You don't listen and you seem to stitch people up at any opportunity.

Steve said that there are far more important things in life and that's true. I can certainly see that point today and probably more than anyone at the moment. There are far more important things than your little on-going soap opera about damaged phones, stolen phones and rubbish DJ's (your words). I would do myself a favour if I were you and give up either for a while or for good and I'd also get yourself off this forum for a while too because you aren't helping yourself and whatever your reputation was...it is changing rapidly.

Apologies again to anyone that thinks I am being out of order.

[Ecstatic Events]

No need for people that don't know either party concerned to keep fuelling the fire for gawd sake, you're like a bunch of fish wives.

To be honest Mark I dont know anyone on this forum and really dont care about your comment.

Reading this post is beyond a joke and completely against what the forum (as I understand it) represents.

Guess I'll go back to luuurking.

[Mark Wild]

To be honest Mark I dont know anyone on this forum and really dont care about your comment.

Reading this post is beyond a joke and completely against what the forum (as I understand it) represents.

Guess I'll go back to luuurking.

So you lurk, meaning read the forums frequently and never really comment and then when you do finally find something to comment on, it's this? Come on now.

[Ecstatic Events]

So you lurk, meaning read the forums frequently and never really comment and then when you do finally find something to comment on, it's this? Come on now.

Clearly.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Come on - this thread is bad enough as it is without members bickering amongst themselves!

ENOUGH! :Censored:

[yourdj]

you and Toby having quoted it too


You have publicly humiliated him.


Sorry for that - I did not see the name and did not have any idea it was a senior member.
It is not nice or professional to have something like this aired on a public forum.

I am having nothing more to do with this. i hope it gets sorted out :run: :)

[Charlie Brown]

I won't discuss on here what was said by Boyd, because I agree..it's not fair. He had quite a bit to say though. :(

I was angry and frustrated when I first read the email, which is why I vented my anger on here. It was a foolish rational decision, that I regret. I deleted the names, in the understanding that you wouldn't know who the DJ was.

When names were revealed, I did PM Shaun and asked him to delete his post mentioning Dave. He had good reasons not to though.

It shouldn't have been aired on the forum but my intention wasn't to humiliate or upset anyone.

I don't try to attract attention to myself or 'steal the show' so I think those comments are unfair. I admit I ask a lot of questions and seek advice, but if people don't want to reply/help - that's fine.

Dave, I'm sorry for posting Boyd's email on here. It was wrong and terrible for me to do so. I feel really bad but even now I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

A two hour kids party has cost me £450, negative feedback and a poor reputation. I think I've learnt the hard way.

I'm very reluctant to pay Dave the full £200 because we can't seem to agree anything over MSN. He has asked me to post this because apparently I'm only telling half of the story.

[Charlie Brown]

This is all dun and dusted now. Dave is being paid in full but is refusing to try and solve the matter, without getting angry/high rate. He isn't a children's entertainer so he isn't bothered and he wishes to forget about it.

Simple.

[wensleydale]

Can someone please explain to Dave that he can't ring the client, having a go?
Charlie
I think the general theme from the threads above is that you should think before posting. I suspect it applies again here.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I personally think that Charlie is digging an even bigger hole for himself and the damage has been done.

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie
I think the general theme from the threads above is that you should think before posting. I suspect it applies again here.

Yes, but I'm being made out to be the bad guy - when really Dave doesn't care or want to sort it out.

If someone wrote an email like that about me - I would be upset and do everything I could to resolve it....he just isn't bothered.

[Booche]

No Charlie i said to leave it and do what we have said but like always you keep on and on and on and then making remarks like "this is proberley why you get no gigs" isnt going to help as at the end of the day im getting really :Censored: off with your attitude ive no idea who you think you are talking to but i can assure of one thing im not happy at all with this crap.

As for resolving it ive said im willing to do and that is to ring Boyd and ask whats going off as infront of me it was all good night and great mate and thankyou etc etc

Then all this crap.............................................. .............

(Going for a lay down before i say things that i will proberley regret OR not)

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Well as you have brought this out in the open its abit late to try and sweep it under the carpet.

What age range was this function for? What does the client expect from the DJ and how much of this information was offered to Dave?

Hopefully some people can learn from this and make sure it doesnt happen to them.

[Charlie Brown]

Well as you have brought this out in the open its abit late to try and sweep it under the carpet.

What age range was this function for? What does the client expect from the DJ and how much of this information was offered to Dave?

Hopefully some people can learn from this and make sure it doesnt happen to them.

:agree:

I would like it to be resolved but I'm getting frustrated with Dave because he doesn't care.

They were 13/14 years old.

I've done 10/12 gigs for the same group over the past few months and never had a problem.

You don't have to be Mr Mayhem to get a handful of kids 'in the mood' and geared up for a good night. Admittedly, they can be a bit rowdy but nothing out of the ordinary IMO.

I've been for a quick walk outside and I really regret posting it on here. It was actually darn right terrible. I do stupid things at the heat of the moment when I'm angry and frustrated.

Again, I'm sincerely sorry Dave. I avoided mentioning your name until it slipped out. I'm the fool in all of this. Nobody else.

[djtrev]

Who is Boyd in all of this?

[Charlie Brown]

Who is Boyd in all of this?

The client. Again, his name shouldn't have been mentioned.

[nisfo]

:bang:

I suggest moving this thread out of public viewing!! I for sure would be ashamed myself, and not expect the cover to feel that way.

Charlie >> Time to bow out and stay out of the lime light for a while. Before things go the opposite way of your favour. You are making a mockery of the whole situation, and worse making us all look like fools!

There appears to be a few on this forum who have to say their piece (in nearly every thread) regardless of the consequences.

Rant over ;)

[DeckstarDeluxe]

:agree:

I would like it to be resolved but I'm getting frustrated with Dave because he doesn't care.

They were 13/14 years old.

I've done 10/12 gigs for the same group over the past few months and never had a problem.

I'm somewhat confused with the "I'm not a childrens entertainer" comment then from Dave as I dont really do childrens parties however I'd happily do gigs for teens upwards. Do they expect games?

If you have done soo many of these gigs then you should know what is required and make sure the DJ that you provide is able to do the job correctly.

I think your issue with Dave should still remain off this forum however and sort it out between the pair of you.

[Charlie Brown]

I'm somewhat confused with the "I'm not a childrens entertainer" comment then from Dave as I dont really do childrens parties however I'd happily do gigs for teens upwards. Do they expect games?

If you have done soo many of these gigs then you should know what is required and make sure the DJ that you provide is able to do the job correctly.

I think your issue with Dave should still remain off this forum however and sort it out between the pair of you.

I'm not sure. I just do my thing. I thought it was all pretty standard...using the mic to get people involved etc.

I sometimes play..giant musical bumps. I know that sounds childish but they love it. 100 kids sitting at once with lasers/strobes etc. I think that's the kind of thing the client was looking for.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

"They were 13/14 years old.
I've done 10/12 gigs for the same group over the past few months and never had a problem."

I'd say judging by the way you have acted with this thread, it's because you have the mentality of a 13 year old and you get yourself on to the same level as them.

When are you actually going to listen Charlie? After your comments the other day I said to myself that I would not comment on or take interest in what you or the other 'bloke' (who shall not be named) did at all.

I am usually a good judge of character and I think you have a good heart in there somewhere but your life is easy. You may not think so but in relation to the majority of members of this forum, you have it really easy. I just wish you'd appreciate that. You have a lot of growing up to do which is obvious and you need to realise (I think you have now but it's too late) that you simply can't do what you have done today. The Mods are more than likely teaching you a lesson by leaving it all on here and not closing the thread and I think that's the right thing to do. Learn from your mistakes but saying that, I am sure that has been said before but you don't seem to have taken it on board.

[Corabar Entertainment]

I was angry and frustrated when I first read the email, which is why I vented my anger on here. It was a foolish rational decision, that I regret.....

..... It was wrong and terrible for me to do so. I feel really bad.......and yet you continue to stick the knife in on a public forum.

So much for learning by your mistakes.

You are so far out of order, Charlie, I don't think you're on this planet any more.

[Charlie Brown]

I'd say judging by the way you have acted with this thread, it's because you have the mentality of a 13 year old and you get yourself on to the same level as them.

I am usually a good judge of character and I think you have a good heart in there somewhere but your life is easy.

That's unfair. I don't think using the microphone is hard. It doesn't mean I have the mentality of a 13 year old.

I do. I'm not nasty, malicious, evil like I probably come across on here. I'm shy and wouldn't hurt a fly. I've come across as a real bitch and thrown my toys out the pram today and I shouldn't have BUT I'll defiantly learn from it in the future.

After speaking to Dave, he isn't annoyed that I posted it on here...I think the main thing that concerns him is that the client didn't voice any concern last night. They didn't mention how strongly they felt - so he's knarked off now, when I receive such a strong email.

[DJWilson]

I would like it to be resolved but I'm getting frustrated with Dave because he doesn't care.


Charlie, I think your playing the victim here mate, sorry.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I'm not sure. I just do my thing. I thought it was all pretty standard...using the mic to get people involved etc.

I sometimes play..giant musical bumps. I know that sounds childish but they love it. 100 kids sitting at once with lasers/strobes etc. I think that's the kind of thing the client was looking for.

Did Dave know this?

Dave mentioned he was getting hassled by the client about being ready? I'm guessing but it sounds like they expected you and became worried when another DJ appeared. Did you tell them that you wouldnt be attending?

I suggest you pay Dave and you do the gig for your long term client for free as a gesture of good will.

Just to add I've always "vetted" my DJ's and not everyone one has been "good enough". Its important when your a multi op that if someone books
XYZ Discos that they get a similiar disco and dj each time.

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie, I think your playing the victim here mate, sorry.

I'm not at all.

I have admitted I've cocked up...again.

I'm now speaking to Dave, trying to sort it out.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Yes, but I'm being made out to be the bad guy - when really Dave doesn't care or want to sort it out.



Dave doesn't care? So what - it ain't his problem. If you cared, you would have been at the function as you were paid and contracted to be.

It was your booking.

It was in your name.

You had no excuse not to attend.

The buck stops with you and only you. You need to sort it out, not Dave and not any other DJ. You. Your company. You are responsible. Although, funnily enough, I don't think you are.

[STEVE HANLEY]

A message to Dave (Booch)

Your reputation is being enhanced by all this mate;) ;)

Charlie I once said on here, but I can't find the:Censored: thread. That your naivety would be your achillies heel...............

[Ecstatic Events]

I'm not sure. I just do my thing. I thought it was all pretty standard...using the mic to get people involved etc.

I sometimes play..giant musical bumps. I know that sounds childish but they love it. 100 kids sitting at once with lasers/strobes etc. I think that's the kind of thing the client was looking for.

Did your cover DJ have this information relayed? Surely you would of handed the gig over properly and gave him details on what the client might be expecting?

Sounds to me like you've just tried to make a fast buck out of this by subbing it out. Running before you can walk? :daft:

[Booche]

A message to Dave (Booch)

Your reputation is being enhanced by all this mate;) ;) .

lol im quite thick skinned so no worries on my front i did what i was asked to do by CB and the client so therefore i cant see what the issue is apart from them saying one thing to me and another to CB but ahh well live and learn lol

[Paul The Party Dj]

I can't believe so many good people have tried to give good advice and yet after 170 posts this is still going on. If this was on Eastenders people would complain it was just too ridiculous!

Charlie, please just stop - make one last apology to your peers here for the damage you have done and take a break and sort yourself out. Someone above wisely said talk to your parents - that's what they are for.

I'm sorry if I have overstepped the mark with this post but it's just not funny anymore. If any of you who have been mentoring Charlie are offended I am sorry.

We all have problems whether we are 6 or 96 - this is a great place to come for support - don't let that be ruined by one persons stupidity.

Glass raised to everyone who has tried to help - cheers!

[Charlie Brown]

Please don't have another dig. Any help or advice on what I've posted below would be really helpful.


Hi Boyd,

I hope you’re well. Sorry it’s taken a few hours for me to get back to you.

I have had a lengthy chat with Dave and discussed all of the points you raised in your last email.

I’m not trying to fob you off with excuses but I think there are some genuine points that should be considered.

The venue you hired was relatively large and grand for the type of event you organised for Ulee. I understand there was a separate room where the children gathered in, which in my experience is very normal. It’s a pain, because it does encourage the children to sit and chat amongst themselves. Although this isn’t ideal, it doesn’t mean the children didn’t have a good time. I also struggle to keep them entertained for two hours when there is a separate room. It’s very hard to please everyone at the same time.

All of the songs Ulee requested beforehand were played and Dave also took some requests from the children on the night.
I worked at a Trent party the week before and thought the boys were very restless and rowdy. This was in a small room with nowhere for them to escape, so the dancefloor stayed busy, although one boy hurt his wrist, the other went home with a tooth missing and some upholstery was ripped.

I think the age group is a difficult one. One night they will be up for a good time but the next they would prefer to sit and talk about the latest goss. It’s hit and miss (in my opinion)
I’m very sorry to hear that you were disappointed with the party as a whole. I have spoken to a few attendees via Facebook who said they had a blast. Obviously, Dave is upset that you weren’t entirely happy with the service he provided last night. He said it would have been helpful if you had raised some of the issues during the evening, so he could have change his tactics.

I do operate slightly differently in comparison to other service providers which does generate good feedback but in this case, I think it boiled down to the children’s moods and the venue size/separate room.
Perhaps they are bored of the same ‘disco’ routine? I remember my first gig with the Trent pupils – it was a blast. The next two or three events after that were also a great success but there attention spam and ‘rate of dancing’ has declined drastically in comparison to the first few parties. This is an observation I made last week and also voiced my concerns to a few parents.

I’m happy to offer you a credit note. If you ever have another event (family, adults, teen, children’s, anniversary, wedding. christening etc) that requires a DJ in the Midlands area, I will be happy to offer you my services free of charge (up to 6 hours) with additional venue mood lighting.

Once again, I’m sincerely sorry that everything wasn’t to your liking and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Far too much information. Just bite the bullet and pay up and take it as a lesson learnt.

[Charlie Brown]

Far too much information. Just bite the bullet and pay up and take it as a lesson learnt.

I don't think they warrant a refund though. I've spoke to Dave and what the client is saying doesn't tally up.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

That's it though....you don't THINK.
If you are serious about what you are doing and you also want to keep your relationship and reputation with your customers positive, you will have to bite the bullet and pay up as I said.
They are obviously not happy, rightly or wrongly.

Just reading that back....you ARE offering a refund anyway as you are offering them a free function for up to 6 hours (why 6?) and free uplighting (again...why?).

[Charlie Brown]

That's it though....you don't THINK.
If you are serious about what you are doing and you also want to keep your relationship and reputation with your customers positive, you will have to bite the bullet and pay up as I said.
They are obviously not happy, rightly or wrongly.

Just reading that back....you ARE offering a refund anyway as you are offering them a free function for up to 6 hours (why 6?) and free uplighting (again...why?).

Because I do care and I want them to be happy. Parting with money is different to playing at a wedding or something. It's only my time at the end of the day. :o

[Shakermaker Promotions]

...and that's why most people keep battering it into that head of yours that you are very lucky, fortunate and whatever else!!!!!!!
You can afford to do something for free because you have the luxury of being at home with your parents with hardly anything to pay out. You aren't self employed. Ok, at 17 you may have concerns but come on :Censored: sake!!

If I were you in the same position as you are Charlie, I would put it all in to either one thing or the other... Estate Agent or Disco Provider. I reckon there is a doubt in your mind as to what to do. Either the Estate Agent thing doesn't pay enough and you want to boost the income with DJing or vice versa. You don't seem to be able to commit to one thing. If you are living at home (lucky you!) then take some risks.

I also find the attitude a bit dodgy. It comes across like "Oh, they weren't happy but I'll sweeten them up with my cheeky chappy personality because I know they like me and I will offer them a freebie with extras to ease the pain" (because you can).

The more I read this stuff, the more frustrated I get and I have enough on my plate. There are lots of people that would like to be in your position and you just seem to take the biscuit (to put it ultra politely).

[chrisj]

Charlie, I think you have learned from this. If you take a booking your word is a contract and you should have done it yourself. Then there would have been none of this,
I have as I mentioned earlier done discos for 42 1/2 years. I have never passed a gig that I said I would do to anyone even when I had a really bad flu virus.
If you cannot do a gig you should not take it on.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

The more I read this stuff, the more frustrated I get and I have enough on my plate.

Gary, can I suggest taking a forum break for a little while as this probably isn't helping you at this time. :)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Darren, I totally agree mate.
Will do. Thanks.

[Shaun]

Charlie,

As Booche has had his right of reply I'm happy to close this thread if you still wish?

[Charlie Brown]

Charlie,

As Booche has had his right of reply I'm happy to close this thread if you still wish?

No, it's fine.

It's been such an emotional roller coaster, it would be nice to tie it up properly once the client has replied to my email. :)

[Corabar Entertainment]

You regret posting the first email sooooooooooo much that you decided to post another one.

Way to go, Charlie.

:bang:

[Charlie Brown]

You regret posting the first email sooooooooooo much that you decided to post another one.

Way to go, Charlie.

:bang:

Huh?

I don't think that's bad? I only wanted to tie up the thread. Feel free to delete and close the thread as Shaun offered.

[Shaun]

Thread closed.