Dj Quality Mark

[marting]

Dj quality mark does any one actually take any notice of this.

I'm pleased to advise have received silver quality mark which inst hard to do
does anyone actually take any notice of it i have had bookings from the associated web page whilst i had no quality mark as well as once i had received my first quality mark.

at the end of the day does it all come down to cost...
(not wanting to start the quality vs cost debate again)

im personally happy with my quality mark and aim to use in my marketing next month once i get my gold (only need 2 more customer testimonials)

[Javlingames]

What is the DJ Mark? Does it cost to have one? Is nationally recognised?

[Charlie Brown]

http://www.needadisco.com/djmark/

I think it's brilliant and a great marketing tool.

I mention it in every 'quote/email' and at the pre event meetings.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I think it's a good idea because it encourages DJ's to make sure that they are on the ball with various things. It also adds that little extra for the customer when making a decision (I should imagine?). It could also have the opposite effect though in that someone browsing may think that the Gold & Platinum guys may be more expensive but then again, people looking for quality would be attracted to that so it works both ways.

I had a meeting with a venue last week regarding Christmas bookings and one of the first things they did in the meeting was get my website up on the screen. The first question was "What's the DJ Mark thing about?" so I explained in the best way I could that it meant you were a trusted and reputable business that provided a quality service. The higher the mark, the better. They then asked (jokingly), "Why haven't you got a Platinum mark then?" and I said "I should have.....er...I don't know why I haven't because I have provided all the criteria to meet it".

I guess it's more or less a badge if you like that says "Yep, these guys are good and worth booking".

[Shaun]

I have a 'DJ Mark'. To be honest I've never mentioned it anywhere in marketing or to clients. The badge shows very briefly on my homepage in the middle of some other images on rotation, but there's no additional info on my site at the moment - more so down to laziness on my part in updating my website content.

Not nationally recognised, but it could be a useful marketing tool.

[JTRS]

Does the DJ Quality Mark mean that someone has been out to see you in action and also that they have personally or an independent person has vetted your equipment, your PAT and PLI and has also reviewed your customer feedback?

Or can anyone be awarded gold, silver, bronze etc just simply on what they claim?

JTRS

[Charlie Brown]

Does the DJ Quality Mark mean that someone has been out to see you in action and also that they have personally or an independent person has vetted your equipment, your PAT and PLI and has also reviewed your customer feedback?

Or can anyone be awarded gold, silver, bronze etc just simply on what they claim?

JTRS

No, there isn't any verification in that sense but you have to submit information to back up your claims.

Send your PLI, PAT, Pro Dub certificate, Testimonals, Health and Safety checklist etc

[Shakermaker Promotions]

....and feedback, photos of your rig etc

I haven't mentioned it to anyone before and as I said, I was asked about it last week. If it's something that can add work to the diary for whatever reason then I think it's worth making the effort and doing the necessary things to get it. Whether it has ever influenced anyone into booking a DJ is another thing (unless they tell you it swayed their decision?).

[JTRS]

No, there isn't any verification in that sense but you have to submit information to back up your claims.

Send your PLI, PAT, Pro Dub certificate, Testimonals, Health and Safety checklist etc

I've just looked at the site.

To be honest that doesn't interest me, I appreciate it may have some value as a marketing tool and that it may look good to some people, but to me I don't see the point, I may as well set my own scheme up and call it The Quality DJ Mark, design some logo and put that on my literature.

JTRS

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I've just looked at the site.

To be honest that doesn't interest me, I appreciate it may have some value as a marketing tool and that it may look good to some people, but to me I don't see the point, I may as well set my own scheme up and call it The Quality DJ Mark, design some logo and put that on my literature.

JTRS

And you may as well you have PLI and PAT and invent your own certificates. Anything that is being properly and independently approved has got to be worth looking in to.

I know this to be true becuase we were the first people to run PLI and PAT validators and lots of people used the service to their advantage.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Anything that is being properly and independently approved has got to be worth looking in to.

Mark this day in your books people because it's the day where myself and Darren have been agreeing on most things!

Yep! I totally agree with the above quote.

JTRS - I'll be honest, I saw the DJ Mark thing on someone's site a while back and I wondered what it was. I think I may have actually commented on here about it at the time because I got it the completely wrong way. The site that I saw it on was a local competitor's and I know the kind of standards they have (which aren't great and I have witnessed them myself).

They were making out as if the DJ Mark was some award that you win and I thought "Well, how can you win an award for DJing etc? Is it some kind of competition etc?". I looked into it a bit more and found that what it does in reality is verify that you have all of the necessary bits and bobs to be a recommended, trusted and professional supplier. Nothing wrong with that in my book and by having the DJ Mark on your website, it may just put you ahead of the next guy when potential customers are browsing for Discos.

Yes, you can do your own thing but come on....what's the point? You may aswell join up, send your documentation, do some venue reviews etc and get a DJ Mark. It doesn't do any harm having one........does it?

[MikeW]

Definitely worth looking into. I will be spending time checking this out.

[Shaun]

Definitely worth looking into. I will be spending time checking this out.

Definitely worth looking into. The main guy behind it is one of our very own highly respected members....Martin (Vectis).

[DJ Paulie]

Have been thinking about this, but as far as I know not many DJ's have it here, so not sure if it would make a differance. Also have been looking at the PAT text regs and can't work out if a self emloyed person operating as a sole trader needs it done ? Sure if he/she is the only person using the equipment then there are no employees ?

Also when they say cost per item, does that mean you are charged for testing say a light including the cable or are the cables done induvidually ? If the second one it would cost me about €250 ! But at least we don't have pro dub ! :lol:

[JTRS]

And you may as well you have PLI and PAT and invent your own certificates. Anything that is being properly and independently approved has got to be worth looking in to.

I know this to be true becuase we were the first people to run PLI and PAT validators and lots of people used the service to their advantage.

Sorry but I disagree with that. My PAT was done by a qualified person and my PLI is with a well known Insurer, so the certificates they provide are 'bona-fide' (I use that term because I can't think of something more suitable).

With the DJ Quality Mark, and I mean no dis-respect to the person behind it, but he is just that, a person behind it. His DJ Quality Mark carries no more weight than any logo I create and decide to use as a marketing tool, which if we are talking about how customers perceive things like that, then it's just as good.

It's a bit like the NADJ, it sounds good and looks impressive, but in reality anyone with PAT and PLI can join it, I have joined and yes I use that as a marketing point because it sounds good, 'National Association'

JTRS

[DJ Paulie]

It's a bit like the NADJ, it sounds good and looks impressive, but in reality anyone with PAT and PLI can join it, I have joined and yes I use that as a marketing point because it sounds good, 'National Association'

JTRS

But not for Ireland, more's the pity ! :(

[MikeW]

Definitely worth looking into. The main guy behind it is one of our very own highly respected members....Martin (Vectis).

I didn't actualy know that Shaun. You learn something new every day. :)

[funkymook]

Sorry but I disagree with that. My PAT was done by a qualified person and my PLI is with a well known Insurer, so the certificates they provide are 'bona-fide' (I use that term because I can't think of something more suitable).

With the DJ Quality Mark, and I mean no dis-respect to the person behind it, but he is just that, a person behind it. His DJ Quality Mark carries no more weight than any logo I create and decide to use as a marketing tool, which if we are talking about how customers perceive things like that, then it's just as good.

It's a bit like the NADJ, it sounds good and looks impressive, but in reality anyone with PAT and PLI can join it, I have joined and yes I use that as a marketing point because it sounds good, 'National Association'

JTRS

Not really true - as soon as anyone asks you about your 'logo' you either have to confess you made it up or lie - neither is necessary with DJ Mark. It's easily googled by any prospective clients who want to check what it is (again a made up one isn't). And there are now regulations about having false claims on your website.

You may well get away with making one up - but is it really worth the hassle?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Sorry but I disagree with that.

With what?

I am telling you that DJs wanted the PLI and PAT validators because clients were asking them for it. You could also quite easily make up your own PAT or PLI certificate too.

[Charlie Brown]

The main guy behind it is one of our very own highly respected members....Martin (Vectis).

Not anymore!

I believe he sold it on because Martin has too much work on. :)

[Shaun]

Not anymore!

I believe he sold it on because Martin has too much work on. :)

I stand corrected. Thanks Charlie. :beer1:

[Vectis]

Not anymore!

I believe he sold it on because Martin has too much work on. :)

Errr..... nope. Martin took on an admin to handle the bulk of the validation work and database maintenance as the site grew beyond a certain size :o



I stand corrected. Thanks Charlie. :beer1:

You may stand uncorrected :daft:

[Shaun]

I stand uncorrected then. :d

[JTRS]

Not really true - as soon as anyone asks you about your 'logo' you either have to confess you made it up or lie - neither is necessary with DJ Mark. It's easily googled by any prospective clients who want to check what it is (again a made up one isn't). And there are now regulations about having false claims on your website.

You may well get away with making one up - but is it really worth the hassle?

Err it's entirely true.

Unless you can tell me that the DJ Quality Mark is somehow officially sanctioned (and if so by who exactly), then it's the same as me designing a logo, creating a website, publishing the criteria and then using the mark.

I wasn't saying I was going to make one up, was saying if I did it would be just as 'valid' which goes back to the it's just something to look good but nothing else.

JTRS

[funkymook]

Err it's entirely true.

Unless you can tell me that the DJ Quality Mark is somehow officially sanctioned (and if so by who exactly), then it's the same as me designing a logo, creating a website, publishing the criteria and then using the mark.

I wasn't saying I was going to make one up, was saying if I did it would be just as 'valid' which goes back to the it's just something to look good but nothing else.

JTRS

Fair enough, have it your way.

Plenty of people say 'I could' or 'if I did', but not many prove it by actually doing it.

[marting]

Also when they say cost per item, does that mean you are charged for testing say a light including the cable or are the cables done induvidually ? If the second one it would cost me about €250 ! But at least we don't have pro dub ! :lol:

I have just had my gear pat tested in the case of my gear i had 75 items to be tested a light fitting with a removable iec is considered one item and the iec lead a separate item was charged £1.29 an item.

[DJ Paulie]

I have just had my gear pat tested in the case of my gear i had 75 items to be tested a light fitting with a removable iec is considered one item and the iec lead a separate item was charged £1.29 an item.

This from the first result from Google for PAT testing prices here:

An intial call out charge of €150 will apply plus €4.50 for each Appliance upto 210. And €5.00 from 210 - 500 .
An example a Company with 100 appliances = 150 + (100 x 4.5) = €600 :eek:

[ppentertainments]

No, there isn't any verification in that sense but you have to submit information to back up your claims.

Send your PLI, PAT, Pro Dub certificate, Testimonals, Health and Safety checklist etc
So how did you qualify Charlie (and many others who use mp3) without a ProDub licence ??

[Vectis]

So how did you qualify Charlie (and many others who use mp3) without a ProDub licence ??

There is the option to provide a signed disclaimer in the event that your business practices do not come under the remit.

Can I just add that the awards aren't simply a 'box-ticking exercise' but are regularly-reviewed, "living" assessments. Documents are not blindly accepted, for example:

- PLI will be validated with the broker or insurer (as a venue might)
- claims re: Produb etc. will be matched with advertising material (eg. Produb says "1-5000 conversions (Karaoke excluded) but website says 55 billion tracks from the 1920s onwards and 20 million karaoke)
- other aspects are manually 'sense checked' (eg. PAT schedule is matched with rig shots)
- testimonials are validated with their source (and IP addresses / phone numbers etc. are checked)

and many more steps besides.



The most common "errors :o " are:

- Produb claims not matching advertised claims
- forged PLI certificates
- made up testimonials

All of which are dealt with by rejection, suspension or ban depending on severity / regularity.



'On the job' assessments have been considered previously but, as well as the issues around the "how" to measure, it was felt by members that the cost of monitoring would be unacceptable. However this, as well as other suggestions, are always welcome and regularly reviewed as the scheme evolves.

It's very rare for a member to not renew a membership once they've joined, and when they do it's usually because of a change in their business model. So folks must be seeing the value of a 3rd party independent validation scheme.

I don't want to bleat on any more (although there's lots I could say) because of forum rules, which I suspect I've already overstepped so mods please amend or delete if I have with my apologies. The first year is half price so there's very little to lose - a takeaway for two perhaps.

:beer1:

[Javlingames]

Ok, so Ive paid for my PAT testing and my public liability, now i need to pay to get a DJ mark because other DJ's have it and by them simply having it advertised on their site, it could potentially give them the upperhand in bookings?

[Vectis]

Ok, so Ive paid for my PAT testing and my public liability, now i need to pay to get a DJ mark because other DJ's have it and by them simply having it advertised on their site, it could potentially give them the upperhand in bookings?

... as opposed to ...?

... advertising in the Yellow Pages because other DJs have listings in there which could give them the 'upperhand in bookings'?

... Adwords because other DJs have entries which could give them the 'upperhand in bookings'?

... building a flashy website because other DJs have flashy websites which could give them the 'upperhand in bookings'?

The list is endless. Marketing is an important part of any business plan. Choose what's best for you. :)

[Javlingames]

... as opposed to ...?

... advertising in the Yellow Pages because other DJs have listings in there which could give them the 'upperhand in bookings'?

... Adwords because other DJs have entries which could give them the 'upperhand in bookings'?

... building a flashy website because other DJs have flashy websites which could give them the 'upperhand in bookings'?

The list is endless. Marketing is an important part of any business plan. Choose what's best for you. :)

I agree with what you are doing but in my opinion you should not be charging for it.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I don't see what the problem is.
It's an advertising site for Disco Entertainment like a number of others. The only difference is that it features the DJ Mark and different levels of it. The customer can click on the DJ Mark icon or banner and see what it is all about and I think it gives them that extra confidence when browsing.

[Vectis]

I agree with what you are doing but in my opinion you should not be charging for it.

I don't.

It's free for members of a certain listing site who send in the requisite documentation.

The listing site is chargeable because it generates leads. And that costs money.

If it helps, the listings site + DJmark collectively run at around break-even. That's my contribution to supporting the industry that supported me for so many years. The more members join up, the more goes out on marketing.

[Javlingames]

I don't.

It's free for members of a certain listing site who send in the requisite documentation.

The listing site is chargeable because it generates leads. And that costs money.

If it helps, the listings site + DJmark collectively run at around break-even. That's my contribution to supporting the industry that supported me for so many years. The more members join up, the more goes out on marketing.

Ok so if i wanted a dj mark would i have to pay?

[Shaun]

Ok so if i wanted a dj mark would i have to pay?

You would have to pay for a listing on the needadisco website. The DJ mark is a service that's provided along with the listing.

[Javlingames]

So could i get a dj mark without a listing on the needadisco site?

[Vectis]

So could i get a dj mark without a listing on the needadisco site?

Not at present, although it is in the pipeline.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I don't want to bleat on any more (although there's lots I could say) because of forum rules, which I suspect I've already overstepped so mods please amend or delete if I have with my apologies.

No, it's fine Martin - you are just answering questions that have been asked and that is justified.

If you came on and said "Come and join" without being prompted, that would be different.

[DJ_Wulfman]

Ok, so Ive paid for my PAT testing and my public liability, now i need to pay to get a DJ mark because other DJ's have it and by them simply having it advertised on their site, it could potentially give them the upperhand in bookings?

Your own confidence and ability to sell your services will always give you the upper hand over some little jpeg image on a website. As with any other of the little "embellishments" available to DJs, some jocks will use it to bleat about how much better a DJ it makes them compared to one who doesn't have it. This also tends to apply to the people who make up a phoney award and plaster it all over their websites and advertising material. I have met my fair share down the years and you only have to look at the spiel on certain websites to see it for yourself.

Fortunately, most ethical and conscientious DJ's won't and will mostly use the knowledge that they have attained the qualification to satisfy themselves that they meet a certain standard of expectation rather than use the mark as a weapon of superiority.

I hope that makes sense :) .

[Javlingames]

Your own confidence and ability to sell your services will always give you the upper hand over some little jpeg image on a website. As with any other of the little "embellishments" available to DJs, some jocks will use it to bleat about how much better a DJ it makes them compared to one who doesn't have it. This also tends to apply to the people who make up a phoney award and plaster it all over their websites and advertising material. I have met my fair share down the years and you only have to look at the spiel on certain websites to see it for yourself.

Fortunately, most ethical and conscientious DJ's won't and will mostly use the knowledge that they have attained the qualification to satisfy themselves that they meet a certain standard of expectation rather than use the mark as a weapon of superiority.

I hope that makes sense :) .

Yes sense made.

[funkymook]

Or looking at it from another angle - sign up for NeedaDisco, get usable leads (I've converted quite a few, so it's paid for itself many times over) and you can get the DJ Mark as an extra if you want it.

[Shaun]

sign up for NeedaDisco, get usable leads (I've converted quite a few, so it's paid for itself many times over)

I'm completely the opposite. I've yet to convert a lead from there. I've re-tweaked my email responses lately, but still nada! Still, it's nice to hear it's working for others. :)

[JTRS]

Fair enough, have it your way.

Plenty of people say 'I could' or 'if I did', but not many prove it by actually doing it.

You've missed the point of my argument.

Most venues insist on PAT and PLI, so, like most other DJ's I have them. PAT is carried out according to offical standards and only by qualified persons, PLI is only provided by established Insurers.

DJ Quality Mark is neither official or sanctioned by any governing body, it is one persons idea, which is the point I was making, anyone could set one of those up if they so wished, but if they did it it would carry exactly the same weight and standing as this scheme, which is why it isn't for me.

JTRS

[Cowlinn]

Why is it called DJ Mark?

[JTRS]

Why is it called DJ Mark?

DJ Fred had already been registered :D

:daft: :daft: :daft:

JTRS

[DJ_Wulfman]

DJ Quality Mark is neither official or sanctioned by any governing body, it is one persons idea, which is the point I was making, anyone could set one of those up if they so wished, but if they did it it would carry exactly the same weight and standing as this scheme, which is why it isn't for me.

JTRS

I understand what you're saying and personally agree.

In slight defence of this and any other unofficial effort at self-regulation (that *may* or may not just happen to involve separating you from a little more of your hard-earned cash) I would suggest that from one of these seeds, an oak tree may grow.

No seeds, no oak trees. I see it as part and parcel of a process of refinement.

[ppentertainments]

There is the option to provide a signed disclaimer in the event that your business practices do not come under the remit.

But would you not agree there are many who do not have Produb, sign the disclaimer BUT DO use MP3 ?? Thus making the DJ mark pretty pointless ??

Not knocking you in the slightest Martin as think the idea is great, but the ethics of DJ's may not be the greatest.

[Vectis]

the ethics of DJ's may not be the greatest.

Agreed, and within reason ...


awards aren't simply a 'box-ticking exercise' but are regularly-reviewed, "living" assessments. Documents are not blindly accepted

... and as well as the examples quoted in the above (full) post, there are many manually intensive checks involved before awards are granted and maintained which I'm not going to divulge publicly.

[funkymook]

You've missed the point of my argument.

Most venues insist on PAT and PLI, so, like most other DJ's I have them. PAT is carried out according to offical standards and only by qualified persons, PLI is only provided by established Insurers.

DJ Quality Mark is neither official or sanctioned by any governing body, it is one persons idea, which is the point I was making, anyone could set one of those up if they so wished, but if they did it it would carry exactly the same weight and standing as this scheme, which is why it isn't for me.

JTRS

No, I understand what you are saying, it isn't run by, sanctioned by or connected to an official governing body etc.

But I disagree with how easy you think it would be to mimic it.

DJ Mark's weight and standing comes from how many people have joined, how much gravitas it has amongst prospective clients and peers, it's checkable history etc. It has a track record, this does not happen without hard work and effort.

As you say, it's not for you, but I don't believe you could create anything comparable yourself.

[Javlingames]

No, I understand what you are saying, it isn't run by, sanctioned by or connected to an official governing body etc.

But I disagree with how easy you think it would be to mimic it.

DJ Mark's weight and standing comes from how many people have joined, how much gravitas it has amongst prospective clients and peers, it's checkable history etc. It has a track record, this does not happen without hard work and effort.

As you say, it's not for you, but I don't believe you could create anything comparable yourself.

I work in a busy entertainment agency office booking dj's all day long, ive never had a client ask about it.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I'm completely the opposite. I've yet to convert a lead from there. I've re-tweaked my email responses lately, but still nada! Still, it's nice to hear it's working for others. :)

Same here Shaun but it does provide a surprising amount of visitors to the site so helps boost its organic position on google.

[DJ_Wulfman]

But would you not agree there are many who do not have Produb, sign the disclaimer BUT DO use MP3 ?? Thus making the DJ mark pretty pointless ?

By letter of the produb rules (I purposely refrain from using the word "law")If the MP3 has been downloaded directly from source to the playout drive then no format shifting has taken place, hence no produb required.

Clear as mud :daft: .

[DazzyD]

By letter of the produb rules (I purposely refrain from using the word "law")If the MP3 has been downloaded directly from source to the playout drive then no format shifting has taken place, hence no produb required.

Clear as mud :daft: .

Which is what I've been doing since the early days of 7Digital when I started downloading my most requested tracks in MP3 format. The only downside is that my backup library is stored in my 7Digital Locker and on CDs! :daft:

[DJ_Wulfman]

Which is what I've been doing since the early days of 7Digital when I started downloading my most requested tracks in MP3 format. The only downside is that my backup library is stored in my 7Digital Locker and on CDs! :daft:

That's where the water really gets muddy. Produb is all about format-shifting, yet moving a file from one drive to another (note I didn't say copying) doesn't involve a change in format.

*Technically* there appears to be no wrong done. According to produb there is.

Anyway, back on topic.....It is still perfectly possible to have MP3s and still not need produb.

[JTRS]

But I disagree with how easy you think it would be to mimic it.

As you say, it's not for you, but I don't believe you could create anything comparable yourself.

Err I never said it would be easy to mimic it, once again you have missed the point of what I was saying, the point I was making was because it isn't anything done by an official body then anything else is as good as this in the eyes of the public, and for that reason it isn't for me.

Just out of interest, do you know what my day job is and what my skill set is and what my experience is? If your answer to that is No, No and No (which I'm fairly certain it is) then your last statement is somewhat rash and short-sighted.

JTRS

[DJ Paulie]

Or looking at it from another angle - sign up for NeedaDisco, get usable leads (I've converted quite a few, so it's paid for itself many times over) and you can get the DJ Mark as an extra if you want it.

It would be interesting to see how many leads are generated for the Republic before I consider it.

[DJ_Wulfman]

I have been checking out the "Needadisco" site as I must admit I do like the principle of the DJ Mark as the motives and ethos behind it seem pretty honest and well-founded.

I do take issue with one thing I have seen on the site. The following statement is taken from the explanation of certificates which is shown on the site of every available DJ.


A ProDub licence is usually required when manipulating digital media files for the purposes of playing them in public / for reward and is a legal requirement.

Apologies if I am reading this wrong but the last part of the above statement seems open to misinterpretation and *could* give someone without knowledge of the produb rules the blanket impression that DJs operating without a produb licence are operating illegally.

IMO the statement needs wording slightly better so it clearly states that produb is NOT a legal requirement UNLESS a DJ is operating in breach of certain copyright laws.

Any other thoughts on this?

Jase.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Produb has been done to death and is very boring now...

Those are my thoughts.

[funkymook]

Err I never said it would be easy to mimic it, once again you have missed the point of what I was saying, the point I was making was because it isn't anything done by an official body then anything else is as good as this in the eyes of the public, and for that reason it isn't for me.

Just out of interest, do you know what my day job is and what my skill set is and what my experience is? If your answer to that is No, No and No (which I'm fairly certain it is) then your last statement is somewhat rash and short-sighted.

JTRS

And my point was anything else isn't automatically as good in the eyes of the public - you are so stuck on flogging the life out of your 'officially sanctioned' point that you will not admit the possibility that any other factors could have a bearing on credibility.

You stated 'anyone could set one of those up if they so wished' - which I mistook for you saying it was easy, as in a variation of the clichéd 'anybody can do that' - so forgive me if what you actually meant was 'anyone with the relevant skill set, experience, time and inclination could set one of those up if they so wished'. I'm sure you are very capable and only lack two of those criteria.

[Vectis]

IMO the statement needs wording slightly better so it clearly states that produb is NOT a legal requirement UNLESS a DJ is operating in breach of certain copyright laws.


We're always happy to take member feedback on board and clarify if felt appropriate.

[DJ_Wulfman]

Produb has been done to death and is very boring now...

Those are my thoughts.

Apologies Darren.

I do share your sentiments. As a DJ who operates perfectly legally without produb, I don't like seeing it being used as a stick to beat DJs who don't have it with.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Apologies Darren.

I do share your sentiments. As a DJ who operates perfectly legally without produb, I don't like seeing it being used as a stick to beat DJs who don't have it with.

No need for apologies - I was part of the working party who negotiated with PPL and MCPS to get the licence originally and have had my fill of it as you might have gathered! :)

[DJ_Wulfman]

We're always happy to take member feedback on board and clarify if felt appropriate.

:clap: :thumbs_up: :thanks:

[STEVE HANLEY]

I have the DJ mark gold award on both my websites. However I seldom ever mention it when doing a quote. (Perhaps I should ) Food for thought.

I will add though when people are price shopping. PLI/PAT etc. Cuts very little if any ice whatsoever;)

[ppentertainments]

By letter of the produb rules (I purposely refrain from using the word "law")If the MP3 has been downloaded directly from source to the playout drive then no format shifting has taken place, hence no produb required.

Clear as mud :daft: .
I should have been a bit more blunt and put :
'I feel the DJ Mark is worthless because there are so many DJ's out there who DO need a Produb licence but DO NOT have one. Yet Produb is a basic requirement of DJ Mark. However we have many dishonest DJ's who sign the disclaimer INSTEAD of buying produb and thus have a ill-obtained DJ Mark to display'.

[Vectis]

I should have been a bit more blunt and put :
'I feel the DJ Mark is worthless because there are so many DJ's out there who DO need a Produb licence but DO NOT have one. Yet Produb is a basic requirement of DJ Mark. However we have many dishonest DJ's who sign the disclaimer INSTEAD of buying produb and thus have a ill-obtained DJ Mark to display'.


If you have any evidence to support this claim then please follow the "Report Problem DJ" process via the website and it will be investigated.

Should it transpire that one or more members have indeed followed this path, and gone through our checking process, this will only reward them with the most basic 'Bronze' award in any case. Higher awards require additional proof.

There are always going to be liars and chancers in all walks of life, however over the last 4 years we've become pretty good at spotting them ;)

[ppentertainments]

There are always going to be liars and chancers in all walks of life, however over the last 4 years we've become pretty good at spotting them ;)

:thumbsup:

[DJ_Wulfman]

If you have any evidence to support this claim then please follow the "Report Problem DJ" process via the website and it will be investigated.

Should it transpire that one or more members have indeed followed this path, and gone through our checking process, this will only reward them with the most basic 'Bronze' award in any case. Higher awards require additional proof.

There are always going to be liars and chancers in all walks of life, however over the last 4 years we've become pretty good at spotting them ;)

An admirable stance Martin although another question is raised by your above post...How do you propose verifying a DJ who is operating LEGALLY without produb for the Gold award?

Shirley nothing less than a personal visit and inspection would suffice? :confused:

[Vectis]

A DJ operating legally without ProDub will have no problem signing our disclaimer form.

Certain 'sense checks' will then be made based on their other advertising and data submissions.

An extreme example which would set alarm bells ringing might be a part-time DJ of youthful age targeting Budget level events advertising 2 million mp3's on his website.

Or a DJ who claims to be using original media yet the PAT schedule shows only a Denon HD2500 and a laptop without a cd or vinyl deck in sight.

We're not stupid ;)

[DJ_Wulfman]

Nice to see such a common sense approach to self-regulation Martin :)

I would wager that the vast majority of DJs using this forum would qualify for at least silver without even trying.