Stupidity in the first degree

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

So last night I was DJing for Reading University students at one of my regular Hotels and playing the Macarena and there was a girl right at the front trying to do the Macarena with a glass of red wine in her hand.

There wasn't a lot of room anywhere, so I asked her to put her glass down to which she promptly came over and leant over the S&H and poured wine down the front of my laptop.

It was only a small amount and I'm hoping it hasn't caused any lasting damage and of course she didn't apologise, her boyfriend just stood there and starting asking me for requests, to which I ignored and told him rather menacingly to go and get me a cloth, which he did..

Earlier in the evening, they were all dancing with wine glasses on the floor, so I asked them to put their drinks on tables and I cleared the floor!!!!

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Did she intentionally pour the wine over your laptop Darren?

It wouldn't surprise me. My gig on Saturday evening had the funky LED floor out and a few times when I mentioned in a polite and friendly manner about no drinks on the dancefloor they went off, taking their friends with them.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Did she intentionally pour the wine over your laptop Darren?



I don't think so Neil - she just leant drunkenly over to say something and I wasn't quite quick enough to get her to step away.

I can spot people a mile off normally, but I was a little slow...

[DiscoMagic]

People are sooo stupid.

I had a nice little incident on Friday when one of the party goers requested which has to be played or he will find his beer over my laptop and mixer. :eek:

To which I promptly responded to his not so drunk friend that should that happen then both the hotel and I will not hesitate in getting the police in, and pressing for a criminal damage prosecution - funnily enough the guy was as good as gold after that :daft: :D

just goes to show you have to have eyes everywhere at these Christmas gigs

[tc1ooo]

On at least 2 occasions I've noticed people have reached over & left an empty bottle or glass actually on my laptop, between the keyboard & screen. Unbeleiveable.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

And don't even get me started about people who seem to think that it's OK to leave their empty glasses on my pristine subs...

[supersound]

And don't even get me started about people who seem to think that it's OK to leave their empty glasses on my pristine subs...

I thought you got a free drink with a 6" sub for £3?:D :zip:

Thats one of my hates too thats why my sub is right next to the deckstand.

[katman]

One of my mates stood his pint on my speakers once.....

...just the once....

....after it vibrated off and smashed on the floor he decided he wasnt going to risk losing any more beer LOL

[Mark Wild]

told him rather menacingly to go and get me a cloth, which he did..



:lol:

[STEVE HANLEY]

I also get :Censored: off having to constantly tell inebriated punters not to use the deckstand as a leaning post when they're trying to make a request.

If they have a drink in their hands. I'm so transfixed watching the hand with the drink in it. That I'm usually not taking a blind bit of notice as to what it is thay're actually saying to me:mad: :mad:

[Mark Wild]

I also get :Censored: off having to constantly tell inebriated punters not to use the deckstand as a leaning post when they're trying to make a request.

If they have a drink in their hands. I'm so transfixed watching the hand with the drink in it. That I'm usually not taking a blind bit of notice as to what it is thay're actually saying to me:mad: :mad:

Classic ! LOL (I'm the same :))

[DazzyD]

The days of common sense are long gone!! :zip:


People are sooo stupid.

I had a nice little incident on Friday when one of the party goers requested which has to be played or he will find his beer over my laptop and mixer. :eek:

To which I promptly responded to his not so drunk friend that should that happen then both the hotel and I will not hesitate in getting the police in, and pressing for a criminal damage prosecution - funnily enough the guy was as good as gold after that :daft: :D

just goes to show you have to have eyes everywhere at these Christmas gigs

But did he get his request played?? :zip:

[WWDJ]

And don't even get me started about people who seem to think that it's OK to leave their empty glasses on my pristine subs...

You should leave the covers on. The glasses don't stand up so easily :D :D

[yourdj]

Christmas party guests hey.

I had one on Fri, completely wasted and acting like a tool.

if they have no respect for themselves why would they respect anyone else.

[sonicdj]

That is my one big pet hate....why do they try and dance with a drink in hand. Or feel free to lean over the booth with a drink in hand.

I have a clause in the contract that states any damage to equipment by punters the client is liable for. But to be honest I would rather not have to go down that route so pounce on them fairly quickly. as for leaving drinks on subs I normally just ask them to move them or move them myself but it is most irritating

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I haven't had the drinks thing as yet and the majority of guests have all been great. There have been girls dancing with glasses of wine and a few blokes here and there that I've seen with pints in their hands whilst dancing but thankfully no'one has dropped anything yet or come near me.

What did concern me at the weekend was when a packed dancefloor were doing the Cha Cha Slide. They were very close to my equipment as it was so busy. None of the ones near me had the sense NOT to go in Reverse when he says it in the song and a couple of women nearly went backwards into me and the speakers. You have to have eyes like a hawk sometimes!

[Megamix]

:dunno: I've noticed a lot of mostly younger people dancing with glasses in their hands. Is it meant to be cool? Or just lazy. Perhaps they've been spiked in the past. Seems to be happening more than it used to (in my day )

[DeckstarDeluxe]

:dunno: I've noticed a lot of mostly younger people dancing with glasses in their hands. Is it meant to be cool? Or just lazy. Perhaps they've been spiked in the past. Seems to be happening more than it used to (in my day )

I actually think that has a lot to do with it.

[Javlingames]

I hate drunk women, complete pain in the jacksie. I do find women to be more of a pain than men. Its my worst nightmare someone spilling drink on my laptop, hope its ok darren

[tony hollis]

i've had the red wine incident happen to a laptop before really annoys me how they manage to lose their only living brain cell after a few scoops. as for the threatening punters "play my record now or else" fortunately being an ex doorman (fathead) they soon take a different approach when they are asked

[NKR]

I have not had any major issues so far even with 500 a night.

We have security keeping drinks off the dance floor, which is brilliant.

Also i have set up defensively so they have to come through me to the kit. Its not a pretty form of set up, but as we are on with a band it works.

I have only had one girl demanding I play something and when i explained I had some other stuff cued up for people she got arsey. I pointed out if she said one last thing she would spend the rest of the night outside as security tended to believe me over drunk young ladies. She moved on.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I find it strange that other people reply with a threat to drunk punters, if its one thing I always do is remain calm even though you repeating yourself.

[welby]

And don't even get me started about people who seem to think that it's OK to leave their empty glasses on my pristine subs...

my pet hate also!

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I find it strange that other people reply with a threat to drunk punters, if its one thing I always do is remain calm even though you repeating yourself.

It doesn't make a difference to some people! :mad:
I am always calm even when I am being spoken to like a piece of :Censored: (outside would be a different story!).
I surprise myself being as calm and polite as I am and taking the crap that some drunks (both male and female) give me at times.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I have not had any major issues so far even with 500 a night.



The difference being that you have security as you've said. ;)

[Shaun]

That was a close one, Daz. Good to hear there was no lasting damage. I sometimes think a cattle prod would be a good investment. :ph34r:

[stormproductions]

I do quite a number of rather nice private events with unlimited free alcohol (I mean for the guests, although I'd be included if I wasn't tee-total!) and fairly often not finishing until the wrong side of 4am so get to meet plenty of people whose stupidity has increased as their beer goggles have got blurrier. Yep, they can be a right pain but some of them are hugely amusing too. One of the funniest I remember was a young lady coming up to us and leaning on a pole to steady herself whilst she requested something.....except her hand went straight through it as it was the beam of a pinspot we were bouncing off the marquee roof lining. Priceless!

[Excalibur]

Darren, I'm sorry to hear of your mishap, I hope the lappy survives. I think that nowadays, that sort of thing is probably the biggest thorn in our sides, coupled with the lamentably poor behaviour of some guests.

Neither can you convince some of them that waving a pint of liquid over the thousands of pounds worth of gear that you use to earn a living is a bad thing.


Nowadays there are aspects of this job which have taken a lot of the fun out of it. ( Don't worry Children, I'm not about to launch into a reminiscence of how it was so much better in the old days )

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Strange isn't it? It appears to only be the last couple of years that people 'have' to dance with a bottle or glass. I don't really get it. I used to drink and then dance and then go and get another drink.

A glass being wielded around a dance floor by a drunken person is a loaded weapon as far as I'm concerned.

[NKR]

Strange isn't it? It appears to only be the last couple of years that people 'have' to dance with a bottle or glass. I don't really get it. I used to drink and then dance and then go and get another drink.

A glass being wielded around a dance floor by a drunken person is a loaded weapon as far as I'm concerned.

I still won't have it on my gigs. I will keep turning the music down and repeating myself over and over again until they stop. It's harder with Christmas parties, but I am lucky at Burnley as one call from me and the security step in if they haven't already seen it. As Darren points out I am in a good position with that.

However, weddings I will keep repeating it and brides tend to sort it out in the end as it kind of interferes with the night otherwise. Its a really really bad habit and as you say down right dangerous.

I have no issue with people thinking I am a kill joy, an ass, an 'elf and safety zealot, etc, etc. If they haven't got a drink on the dance floor, it ain't going on my kit.

This is the self preservation society.

[mike8863]

it's an age thing, and respect thing, so many under 25's these days have no comprehension of respect, for people or equipment belonging to other people. thats why if i do an 18th or 21st i am surronded by 8 ft of wrap around ply with a nice black cloth over it.

[NKR]

it's an age thing, and respect thing, so many under 25's these days have no comprehension of respect, for people or equipment belonging to other people. thats why if i do an 18th or 21st i am surronded by 8 ft of wrap around ply with a nice black cloth over it.

No all of them! You have to be selective on your 21st's though. Last few I have done have been very family orientated affairs. That is the key question I ask when enquiries come in for them. How many adults, is it a family do. Answer no to the second, I am not available.

Kids who respect their family and want them to celebrate with them are generally fine.

We had one earlier in the year that was a swing singing job and DJ at an 18th. We thought oka lets see how it goes. What a really super bunch of kids. Well mannered, appreciated the singing and commented appreciatively. I had a chat outside with an 18 year old about how I got into this and what I do as a day job. He had had a few and was still really nice lad.

So its not all kids. A lot are plonkers, but many are still good kids.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I still won't have it on my gigs. I will keep turning the music down and repeating myself over and over again until they stop. It's harder with Christmas parties, but I am lucky at Burnley as one call from me and the security step in if they haven't already seen it. As Darren points out I am in a good position with that.

However, weddings I will keep repeating it and brides tend to sort it out in the end as it kind of interferes with the night otherwise. Its a really really bad habit and as you say down right dangerous.

I have no issue with people thinking I am a kill joy, an ass, an 'elf and safety zealot, etc, etc. If they haven't got a drink on the dance floor, it ain't going on my kit.

This is the self preservation society.

I totally agree with you, but sometimes it just isn't practical to keep asking them to take drinks off the floor.

Is it your right to keep repeating that? There isn't any law after all.

[Excalibur]

I totally agree with you, but sometimes it just isn't practical to keep asking them to take drinks off the floor.

Is it your right to keep repeating that? There isn't any law after all.

Seriously, what about Elf and Safety? If someone breaks a leg on drink that was spilled, or gashes an artery on broken glass that was dropped on the floor, wouldn't they have a claim? :confused: And if they did, you can bet your life it would come back to some legal person saying " It was the DJ's fault, he let people bring drinks onto the dancefloor".

PS, John and I had exactly that scenario last week, and eventually, we admitted defeat and kept quiet.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Seriously, what about Elf and Safety? If someone breaks a leg on drink that was spilled, or gashes an artery on broken glass that was dropped on the floor, wouldn't they have a claim? :confused: And if they did, you can bet your life it would come back to some legal person saying " It was the DJ's fault, he let people bring drinks onto the dancefloor".



No way in a million years we can be blamed for other people's actions. Never happen.

If someone decided to try and claim because they cut their leg on a dance floor, they would have to go after the venue owner or licencee.

[Excalibur]

No way in a million years we can be blamed for other people's actions. Never happen.

If someone decided to try and claim because they cut their leg on a dance floor, they would have to go after the venue owner or licencee.

Who might then say " Well I told the DJ to ensure that no drinks were brought onto the dancefloor. It's his fault."

The phrase "Duty of Care " springs to mind. I reckon dafter claims have succeeded.

I don't claim to be right, I'm just envisaging a hypothetical scenario. ( One I fervently hope would never occur, but I'm not about to bet my life savings of three and fourpence halfpenny against it. )

I had a PLI claim in the day job. I wasn't the contractor, I wasn't even a subbie, as my invoice stated I was on another job. It turns out that since I was allegedly the senior operative left when the customer tripped over something left on the floor ( sounding familiar? ) then I was partly responsible.

[DazzyD]

No way in a million years we can be blamed for other people's actions. Never happen.

If someone decided to try and claim because they cut their leg on a dance floor, they would have to go after the venue owner or licencee.

Quite correct. Should a drunk punter trip over a loose cable and hurt themselves then that would be a different matter. But we've no control over people on the dancefloor - that's the venue's responsibility and any legal action will be laid squarely at their door.

[Larry B Entertainment]

And don't even get me started about people who seem to think that it's OK to leave their empty glasses on my pristine subs...

I have had a similar experience a few years back when doing a gig for the Rotary club. This lady walks right across me and leaves her wine glass on top of my rather expensive digital piano. The stare I gave her soon prompted her to shift it. Some people have not respect for anything :eek:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Who might then say " Well I told the DJ to ensure that no drinks were brought onto the dancefloor. It's his fault."

The phrase "Duty of Care " springs to mind. I reckon dafter claims have succeeded.

I don't claim to be right, I'm just envisaging a hypothetical scenario. ( One I fervently hope would never occur, but I'm not about to bet my life savings of three and fourpence halfpenny against it. )

I had a PLI claim in the day job. I wasn't the contractor, I wasn't even a subbie, as my invoice stated I was on another job. It turns out that since I was allegedly the senior operative left when the customer tripped over something left on the floor ( sounding familiar? ) then I was partly responsible.


That's a different scenario. I understand what you are saying but don't think it applies in the case of a dropped glass or bottle. Would the barman get sued or the security guard or chef?

[Excalibur]

That's a different scenario. I understand what you are saying but don't think it applies in the case of a dropped glass or bottle. Would the barman get sued or the security guard or chef?

I don't have the answers, I'm just posing the questions. :confused: :confused:
( I still wouldn't bet against the poor old DJ getting an unfair share of the blame though, it's the nature of the beast. :( :( )

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I don't have the answers, I'm just posing the questions. :confused: :confused:
( I still wouldn't bet against the poor old DJ getting an unfair share of the blame though, it's the nature of the beast. :( :( )

I really can't see how the DJ would. It's not the DJs floor or venue, so therefore they aren't responsible.

If a scanner fell on someone's head, then they dropped their glass and trod on it, then maybe.

[katman]

Strange isn't it? It appears to only be the last couple of years that people 'have' to dance with a bottle or glass. I don't really get it. I used to drink and then dance and then go and get another drink.

I wonder if one factor is the increase in drinks being spiked and venues removing unattended drinks therefore punters are hanging onto them wherever they go including the dance floor.

[Corabar Entertainment]

I wonder if one factor is the increase in drinks being spiked and venues removing unattended drinks therefore punters are hanging onto them wherever they go including the dance floor.Certainly women are given the advice from all quarters these days: "Never put your drink down or leave unattended!"

[CRAZY K]

So last night I was DJing for Reading University students at one of my regular Hotels and playing the Macarena and there was a girl right at the front trying to do the Macarena with a glass of red wine in her hand.

There wasn't a lot of room anywhere, so I asked her to put her glass down to which she promptly came over and leant over the S&H and poured wine down the front of my laptop.

It was only a small amount and I'm hoping it hasn't caused any lasting damage and of course she didn't apologise, her boyfriend just stood there and starting asking me for requests, to which I ignored and told him rather menacingly to go and get me a cloth, which he did..

Earlier in the evening, they were all dancing with wine glasses on the floor, so I asked them to put their drinks on tables and I cleared the floor!!!!

You did well to restrain yourself Darren.;)

Dont try this at your next Disco guys and you need a lot of bottle to do this

BUT

When I start Barn or Line Dancing and spot the growing number of the usual idiots with a drink I say the following very loudly over the PA--

Sorry no dancing with drinks --for two reasons

1. Health and safety

2. YOU LOOK REALLY SAD DANCING WITH A DRINK!!!!!!

Nobodys hit me yet.;) Mind you mostly its the Ladeeez.

On a serious note you might find this slipping into your risk assessment--and could you be accused of an inadequate system of work if you dont?

Dissuade Dancers from Dancing with drinks in hand--alert Venue Management

Its probably a bigger H and S issue than we are admitting.

I agree Dancing with drinks is---:Censored: lethal.

Just my view.

[tony hollis]

I find it strange that other people reply with a threat to drunk punters, if its one thing I always do is remain calm even though you repeating yourself.
never ever threaten them leave them to do that amongst each other, always remain calm but firm, never talk down to them either as this just annoys them. in other words be diplomatic and before you know it they'll be agreeing with you. whats more they'll make sure noboddy else approaches with glasses in hand

[Gary]

A couple of ideas here, and not especially new ones - mind you, the problem of drinks isnt a new one either.

For larger flat surfaces, like the top of bass cabs etc, I've used pieces of acoustic foam - you know the stuff that they tile recording studios with. With all those soft, foam rubber pyramids everywhere...there's nowhere for a punter to put a drink. If your bass cabs are the type with the pole going up out of them for the mid/tops/full range cab, then just cut a hole in the middle of the pyramid foam to keep it centred, or use velcro fastening.

Similarly, in Ye olde days of light screens, which also used to be a favoured place for drinks, lit cigarette butts etc...inverted plastic halfpipe (guttering) meant that there was no flat surface for drinks etc too. But cut-to-shape foam (cut in an A shape) had the same benefits, with a little more style.

As for the "I'll tip beer in your lappy/speaker/amp" - I've often found the "best mate" confiding chat a really good ploy in most cases, except when they've already decided that they ARE going to do it in 5 seconds anyway, but just wanted to involve you to see your face/reaction as they did it.

Here's my "perfect" script....mind you, I'd be the first to acknowledge that people + alcohol are rarely perfect.

Drunk punter: "I'm gunna break zomething of yours 'less you play something better than thish rubbishhhh"

Me: "Ok, what song would you most like to hear ?"

Drink punter: "Sweed chil' o' mine - "

Me: "Thats an excellent track -it'll take me a couple of minutes to get it ready - I'll dedicate it to you when I play it - whats your name and do you want me to dedicate it to anyone?".

Drunk punter: "I'm Phil and play it for all us lads from XYZ Builders warehouse"



Ok...the whole speil is aimed to get the guys name - if he gives you anything more (like XyZ builders) then, bingo... any damage that does happen, at least you can say more to "the powers that be" than just that the guy that ruined everyones night had dark hair, a t-shirt and jeans, and was drunk.

[WWDJ]

As for the "I'll tip beer in your lappy/speaker/amp" - I've often found the "best mate" confiding chat a really good ploy in most cases, except when they've already decided that they ARE going to do it in 5 seconds anyway, but just wanted to involve you to see your face/reaction as they did it.

Here's my "perfect" script....mind you, I'd be the first to acknowledge that people + alcohol are rarely perfect.

Drunk punter: "I'm gunna break zomething of yours 'less you play something better than thish rubbishhhh"

Me: "Ok, what song would you most like to hear ?"

Drink punter: "Sweed chil' o' mine - "

Me: "Thats an excellent track -it'll take me a couple of minutes to get it ready - I'll dedicate it to you when I play it - whats your name and do you want me to dedicate it to anyone?".

Drunk punter: "I'm Phil and play it for all us lads from XYZ Builders warehouse"



Ok...the whole speil is aimed to get the guys name - if he gives you anything more (like XyZ builders) then, bingo... any damage that does happen, at least you can say more to "the powers that be" than just that the guy that ruined everyones night had dark hair, a t-shirt and jeans, and was drunk.

.... Or you can move them and their drink out of range of your laptop and find out what they want ....?? :D

[Booche]

Only had one situation with a drink being held over equipement which i must say moved quite quickly (nice pressure point on the wrist) to which resolved on him sitting down the rest of the night, he had ALOT to drink tho by the time i started and was well "sloshed" the only ever other time was a few weeks ago when i was attending one of Jon's gigs and a couple of guys decided to lean all over the micro booth to which myself and Jon reacted quickly and i think they got the hint ;)

[Cowlinn]

(nice pressure point on the wrist)

LOL! Sounds slightly aggressive?

[funkymook]

Only had one situation with a drink being held over equipement which i must say moved quite quickly (nice pressure point on the wrist)

how did you apply that effectively without spilling the drink?

[Booche]

how did you apply that effectively without spilling the drink?

Whilst applying to the non drinks hand gentley ;) move the drinks hand away

[Corabar Entertainment]

(nice pressure point on the wrist) to which resolved on him sitting down the rest of the night
LOL! Sounds slightly aggressive?Sounds like assault, actually! :eek:

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Sounds like assault, actually! :eek:

I'm sure that Dave being an doorman knows what he is doing............:zip:

[Kernow]

Sounds like assault, actually! :eek:

Does the law not confer the right to use reasonable force to protect ones' person & property ?


(Note to Shaun & Jiggles, proposals have been mooted that anyone setting fire to speakers in public may be subjected to lethal force !! :eek:) ;) :D

[surround sounds]

Whilst applying to the non drinks hand gentley ;) move the drinks hand away

To be honest this is normally what i do..The guests normally understand what i am doing and says sorry..
Works for me..

[Excalibur]

(Note to Shaun & Jiggles, proposals have been mooted that anyone setting fire to speakers in public may be subjected to lethal force !! :eek:) ;) :D

Topic for discussion, Mr Chairman.

"This house believes that certain brands or models of speaker deserve to be publicly incinerated". :sofa:

[Corabar Entertainment]

Does the law not confer the right to use reasonable force to protect ones' person & property ? It might well do (but I'm not certain on the law regarding property), but IMO, reasonable force would be....


... move the drinks hand awayBut I'm sure that


...pressure point on the wrist...(on the wrist of the other arm) to which resolved on him sitting down the rest of the nightwouldn't necessarily be classed as reasonable.

[Booche]

The reason the guy went and sat down is due to his misses laughing at him basically being told off lol

Just to add i didn't do the pressure point hard it was a slight pressure to just move the hand out the way...

[Mark Wild]

Just to add i didn't do the pressure point hard it was a slight pressure to just move the hand out the way...

Do you do this mostly at retirement parties and silver wedding anniversaries, you brute you? :o :)

[funkymook]

Just to add i didn't do the pressure point hard it was a slight pressure to just move the hand out the way...

Must admit I was wondering - the only pressure points I know are excruciating when done properly and can easily be ignored if not (been uke enough times to know from experience).

[Kernow]

It might well do (but I'm not certain on the law regarding property)
Madam, if it please the court ?, there is precedent in Beckford v R (1988)
"A defendant is entitled to use reasonable force to protect himself, others for whom he is responsible and his property. It must be reasonable."

;) :)

[Corabar Entertainment]

Yep fine. As I said, it may well do, but the point I was making still stands.

[Kernow]

Yep fine. As I said, it may well do, but the point I was making still stands.

Indeed, it has to be 'reasonable' :thumbs_up: ;)

The criteria is that the person threatened believes the threat justifies the force used. An act does not have to have actually taken place as long as the belief is that it would happen unless such force were used and that the force used is in proportion to the threat perceived.

I rest my flightcase :)

[Corabar Entertainment]

I know full well that the person has to believe that there is a genuine and immediate threat, but again, nothing to do with the point I was making.

[Kernow]

I know full well that the person has to believe that there is a genuine and immediate threat, but again, nothing to do with the point I was making.

The definition of reasonable ?

Could it not be said that the potential of conductive fluids making contact with electrical equipment and/or the presence of broken glass might be perceived as life-threatening ? :confused:

[Corabar Entertainment]

Could it not be said that the potential of conductive fluids making contact with electrical equipment and/or the presence of broken glass might be perceived as life-threatening ? :confused:You could say it, but whether or not the authorities would agree with you is another thing entirely.... especially since the pressure was being applied to the wrist which was not holding the drink.

[Kernow]

You could say it, but whether or not the authorities would agree with you is another thing entirely.... especially since the pressure was being applied to the wrist which was not holding the drink.

But official guidelines suggest a 'taser' is aimed at the chest (being a larger target area, and therefore theoretically less 'missable') when dealing with assailants holding a gun or samaurai sword in the hand ? :)

[Corabar Entertainment]

Yeah, I'd say using a taser on someone who is brandishing a lethal weapon at you is fairly reasonable, but waving a loaded drink in your general direction isn't quite as instantly life-threatening, IMO.

[Kernow]

Yeah, I'd say using a taser on someone who is brandishing a lethal weapon at you is fairly reasonable, but waving a loaded drink in your general direction isn't quite as instantly life-threatening, IMO.

Agreed, but the general, and approved, principle is to remove the threat using the minmum required force. As I said before, there is the potential for a life threatening situation here (albeit unlikely, but stranger 'freak events' have happened , just read 'Ripleys' :eek: ;) ). Therefore a tap on the wrist of whichever hand might be seen to be more than reasonable in the circumstances ?

:)

[Corabar Entertainment]

Sorry, but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here upon the threat to life posed by someone holding a drink.

[Kernow]

Sorry, but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here upon the threat to life posed by someone holding a drink.

Apologies for the adjournment, caused by my dealing with another matter 'in chambers'.;)

But the facts are http://www.drinkaware.co.uk/facts/factsheets/alcohol-and-accidents

:rose: :)

[Mark Wild]

For gawd sake, no-one should be grabbing guests by pressure points because they have a drink near their kit imo, end of. There's better ways of dealing with it, you think it's going to to your businesses reputation any good by causing a scene like this? I think not.

[STEVE HANLEY]

For gawd sake, no-one should be grabbing guests by pressure points because they have a drink near their kit imo, end of.]

Or tazering someone just cos they asked for Justin Bieber:D :D :D :D :D

[Corabar Entertainment]

Apologies for the adjournment, caused by my dealing with another matter 'in chambers'.;)

But the facts are http://www.drinkaware.co.uk/facts/factsheets/alcohol-and-accidents

:rose: :)Good God! Up to this point I thought you were just joking and having a bit of banter, but hey, what the hell, if someone's threatening your life by holding a drink and you think it's reasonable force to inflict pain and possible injury as a first course of action - go ahead! If the pressure point action doesn't work, maybe you could give them a swift kick as a second option, or maybe just go straight for a weapon of some sort... after all, you're in fear for your life as they're brandishing that well-known lethal weapon - liquid!


For gawd sake, no-one should be grabbing guests by pressure points because they have a drink near their kit imo, end of. Thank you, Mark. I was beginning to think I'd entered the twilight zone!

[Dr Spin]

Somebody once told me that guests holding their drinks near the kit should be shot...............



................ but I try not to listen to Jeremy Clarkson :eek:

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Thought I would add to this thread as I had an incident on Boxing Day in my local. Nothing too serious and no damage to any kit but it did need a strong word from me to get the message across.

I was using my JBL's in one bar and had linked the Mackies into the other bar. I was in the middle of the quiz when I noticed a guy put nearly a full pint of cider on top of one of my JBL's. As soon as I saw him put it down, I reached over and grabbed it and put it on the table where his mates were sat. He didn't see me do it and turned around to get it and saw it was gone. He looked at me and I pointed to the table....everything was fine.

Then he put the pint back on top of my JBL again so I moved it again. This time he saw me and asked me what I was doing. I told him that I didn't want drinks put on top of my speakers and the stupid sod asked "Why?".

(Still Calm and as polite as I could be....), I told him that they were expensive, weren't tables and that was that. By now his mates at the table had seen what was going on and started to take the mickey out of him being told off by the DJ. I saw one of them egg him on to do it again and he caught my eye and mouthed "Only joking mate".

Quite annoying really but all was ok......well, until the guy did it again a bit later on. I was a tad annoyed by now and said "Are you having a laugh mate? Come on, have a bit of respect."
To be fair to him, he was very apologetic but it's still annoying.

As for people having accidents at parties because of spilt drinks etc etc... There's only so much that we can do. We can make announcements until we're blue in the face but if people don't listen then what can you do? You can't spoil the night for everyone else that does respect the announcements and takes notice by mucking about with the volume or repeating yourself so that it becomes annoying to everyone else.

I don't want to see anyone hurt themselves but if they do, all you can think to yourself is "Told you so". That may sound wrong but I won't be held responsible for guests getting soaked with red wine or cutting themselves because of broken glasses on the dancefloor if I have done all I can to try and ensure it doesn't happen.

[Shaun]

I was using my JBL's in one bar and had linked the Mackies into the other bar. I was in the middle of the quiz when I noticed a guy put nearly a full pint of cider on top of one of my JBL's. As soon as I saw him put it down, I reached over and grabbed it and put it on the table where his mates were sat. He didn't see me do it and turned around to get it and saw it was gone. He looked at me and I pointed to the table....everything was fine.

Then he put the pint back on top of my JBL again so I moved it again. This time he saw me and asked me what I was doing. I told him that I didn't want drinks put on top of my speakers and the stupid sod asked "Why?".

(Still Calm and as polite as I could be....), I told him that they were expensive, weren't tables and that was that.

First time they place the drink I just do what you did, quietly place it on a table but I'll make them aware I've moved it for them. With repeater offenders I kill the music and make a polite announcement on the mic saying that "in the interest of safety, drinks must not be placed on the electrical speakers". I'll leave the music off until the drink is removed. Funnily enough they don't tend to do it again after they've had a dancefloor full of people looking at them.

I've spent too much money on my speakers for idiots to use them as a table.

[CRAZY K]

Or tazering someone just cos they asked for Justin Bieber:D :D :D :D :D

Completely reasonable--any Jury in England would agree with you---
well if they were all over 14 anyway;)

[Kernow]

or maybe just go straight for a weapon of some sort... after all, you're in fear for your life as they're brandishing that well-known lethal weapon - liquid!!
The weapon of choice ?........















Death by Chocolate ;) :D