And folks say you don't fall into money..

[Charlie Brown]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2093573/Chelsea-bid-1m-Nottingham-Forests-Patrick-Bamford.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4099133/Transfer-news-Chelsea-have-bid-15m-for-Nottingham-Forest-striker-Patrick-Bamford.html

Knew him well from school, bit younger than me and he helped me with my French homework.

Now look at the lad! :beer1:

[Danno13]

My school didn't quite manage the same! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cornes

[BeerFunk]

He didn't fall into money, he's obviously got his head down and trained hard.

Although you do have a point, because I firmly believe you have to have a natural talent to make it as a footballer too.

[Dynamic Entertainment]

He didn't fall into money, he's obviously got his head down and trained hard.

Although you do have a point, because I firmly believe you have to have a natural talent to make it as a footballer too.

I completely agree.

[yourdj]

He didn't fall into money, he's obviously got his head down and trained hard.

Although you do have a point, because I firmly believe you have to have a natural talent to make it as a footballer too.

Exactly is not an easy job and you have a limited life span.
Also you get a lot more money than most people with little overheads.

Sound familiar :confused:

I must say I am really starting to love being a DJ as i am not buying any kit this year.
Funnily enough just planning my holidays before I wrote this.

[Charlie Brown]

Money was probably the wrong word.

'Success' is more appropriate. He was in the right place at the right time. It wouldn't have happened if he wasn't spotted. My point is (and has been over the past few days) success DOES and ALWAYS WILL fall into your lap, whether you're looking for it or not.

Obviously you can make success off your own back but some people are just lucky.

[Danno13]

What!?!? I can't really phathom what you're trying to say, as you seem to be contradicting yourself.

I'd say that by an absolute mile, it's the tiny minority that get the mega-lucky breaks. Everyone else works hard at it and hopes for their fair share along the way!

[yourdj]

Cosmic ordering and being nice to people.

:angel:

[DeckstarDeluxe]

Money was probably the wrong word.

'Success' is more appropriate. He was in the right place at the right time. It wouldn't have happened if he wasn't spotted. My point is (and has been over the past few days) success DOES and ALWAYS WILL fall into your lap, whether you're looking for it or not.

Obviously you can make success off your own back but some people are just lucky.

Charlie you talk some BS sometimes. He would of worked hard and put the effort in and listened to his coaches. Don't make out that success is just something you wait for.

[Charlie Brown]

Don't make out that success is just something you wait for.

Maybe you don't wait for it...it just happens?

Richard Branson? Did he really setup a small record shop in the hope that he'd run an international transport network and provide TV's and internet to millions of homes across the country?

I think success isn't always planned. Rightly or wrongly, it happens.

Example 2:

I grew up with a girl from school who didn't have an awful lot. She lived in a council house, parents were on the doll etc etc. Then one day, the Dad decided to get a job as a mortgage adviser. He did a simple course before getting this particular role. Four years later and he dominates the market around Nottingham with a load of shops and is raking it in.

He's a really interesting guy with tons of stories to tell. He's not scared to admit 'he fell into it. He didn't plan/invest/expect his life to pan out the way it has.'

Example 3:

Grandad grew up with his aunte because his whole family were killed in a house fire. Went to the war and on leave he bumped into a lady of leisure whose Dad turned out to be a big tycoon (at the time) and he took on the business. Success found it's way to him. He didn't look for it.

Example 4:

Kerry K, Jordan, Mark Wright etc - They've all gone from nothing to falling into this world that is success. I understand they've had to work at it but they were given an opportunity to shine, grasped it, learnt from it and moved on.

Example 5:

Ken from Coronation Street used to go out with my Gran. They were both good actors and he decided to turn up to this one audition but Gran couldn't make it. He grabbed the opportunity and was destined for a full time career in TV, leaving Gran way behind.

As we know, it can also go the other way. I know a handful of people who were once very successful now have very little.

I think everything happens for a reason and what will be will be. Some people are destined for success, others aren't.

Then of course there's a handful of people who have got their head screwed on, who are determined for it to work.

Do you think I've lost my mind? :D

[welby]

As we know, it can also go the other way. I know a handful of people who were once very successful now have very little.




er.....ring a bell? :daft:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00323/UK_News_9-1_jpg_323221t.jpg

[MikeW]

Maybe you don't wait for it...it just happens?

Richard Branson? Did he really setup a small record shop in the hope that he'd run an international transport network and provide TV's and internet to millions of homes across the country?

I think success isn't always planned. Rightly or wrongly, it happens.

Example 2:

I grew up with a girl from school who didn't have an awful lot. She lived in a council house, parents were on the doll etc etc. Then one day, the Dad decided to get a job as a mortgage adviser. He did a simple course before getting this particular role. Four years later and he dominates the market around Nottingham with a load of shops and is raking it in.

He's a really interesting guy with tons of stories to tell. He's not scared to admit 'he fell into it. He didn't plan/invest/expect his life to pan out the way it has.'

Example 3:

Grandad grew up with his aunte because his whole family were killed in a house fire. Went to the war and on leave he bumped into a lady of leisure whose Dad turned out to be a big tycoon (at the time) and he took on the business. Success found it's way to him. He didn't look for it.

Example 4:

Kerry K, Jordan, Mark Wright etc - They've all gone from nothing to falling into this world that is success. I understand they've had to work at it but they were given an opportunity to shine, grasped it, learnt from it and moved on.

Example 5:

Ken from Coronation Street used to go out with my Gran. They were both good actors and he decided to turn up to this one audition but Gran couldn't make it. He grabbed the opportunity and was destined for a full time career in TV, leaving Gran way behind. As we know, it can also go the other way. I know a handful of people who were once very successful now have very little.

I think everything happens for a reason and what will be will be. Some people are destined for success, others aren't.

Then of course there's a handful of people who have got their head screwed on, who are determined for it to work.

Do you think I've lost my mind? :D

I don't know your Gran, but I don't think I would have given her the part of Ken Barlow!:)

[funkymook]

I see a lot of rich and famous people who 'have it all' who are abject failures in being decent human beings - and a lot of unsung heroes who just quietly go about helping others for no financial reward.

I know which ones I see as a success.

[Mark Wild]

I see a lot of rich and famous people who 'have it all' who are abject failures in being decent human beings - and a lot of unsung heroes who just quietly go about helping others for no financial reward.

I know which ones I see as a success.

Nicely said !

[JAMdisco]

Sorry Charlie but I have to agree with the others, what you're saying is complete BS.

Richard Branson took a huge risk with Tubular Bells in his early days - it was completely radical for it's time and could have easily 'bombed'. Also James Dyson (of vacuum fame) was millions in debt at one point as his ideas crashed and burned. He is now a multi-millionaire due to his hard graft and innovation.

Sometimes people 'get lucky' but as you posted above, you can probably count on one hand the amount of people who've had success 'fall in their lap'.

I'm sensing a hint of jealousy in your posts, is this because you're not doing too well at the moment. You have to face facts and make your own destiny and sometimes take risks, most successful entrepreneurs have taken big risks, sometimes they pay off, sometimes they don't.

[Charlie Brown]

I'm sensing a hint of jealousy in your posts, is this because you're not doing too well at the moment. You have to face facts and make your own destiny and sometimes take risks, most successful entrepreneurs have taken big risks, sometimes they pay off, sometimes they don't.

No, it's not jealously at all!

I think you're all missing my wacky point.

I wonder if Ben M from the forum knew what he'd be doing now, if you asked him 10 years ago?

I know people work hard but a lot of people work hard and then (rightly so) are in the right place at the right time, grasp the opportunity and the rest is history?

If this footballer was ill or wasn't asked to play on that particular day when he was 'spotted', he wouldn't have the contract he does today.

A lot of people say the key to success is planning, working hard, investing and being a workaholic for years, which in some cases it is but most of the time, their hard work pays off because they're given an opportunity and their life takes them elsewhere.

You could do a wedding next week and the director of Capital radio could be attendance. He likes what you do and offers you a job as a radio jock, (I know it's a poor example, but it could happen). You accept the job which leads to success. You've worked hard but were given an opportunity that would take your career up a few notches. If you hadn't of done that wedding, you wouldn't have the job. You must be able to see my point?

I got my last job at the estate agency because I spoke to the boss about his sons party and we got chatting. If the son wasn't having a birthday party and he didn't require a DJ, he would never of heard of me and I wouldn't have even been offered the role.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Richard Branson took a huge risk with Tubular Bells in his early days - it was completely radical for it's time and could have easily 'bombed'.

He also borrowed a load of money from his Aunt to start Virgin up...




If this footballer was ill or wasn't asked to play on that particular day when he was 'spotted', he wouldn't have the contract he does today.



Sorry, but having been involved in grass roots and academy football for a while, I don't think that's true. Every football club has a scouting, youth and academy system and he would have already been spotted, so being ill or not playing well on one particular day wouldn't make any difference.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

If you can mention the likes of Jordan, Mark Wright etc then I think you are indeed losing the plot Charlie.

Come on mate - Using those 2 examples - Jordan got noticed because she USED to be a pretty little thing and got her bits out to get her modelling career started. I'll give her some credit though, she knew exactly what she was doing and used that as a spring board to get where she is today. I watched a documentary on her and she has a pretty good business head on her so good luck to her but she didn't "Fall into Money" as you put it. I've read all of Alan Sugar's books and he mentions her a number of times as having a good business head.

Mark Wright - Another one you mentioned. He is riding on the crest of a wave at the moment and taking anything that comes along because he knows he has a limited shelf life. I've never seen The Only Way is Essex as it doesn't interest me but it's that show that's helped him go on in different directions.

People don't generally fall into money unless they win the lottery or come from a well off background in my opinion. There are obviously lots of other people out there earning lots of money, film stars, bands and artists, super models and footballers to name a few but each of them have learnt their trade as they've gone along. There are also plenty of people that are well off because they go through life doing naughty stuff and supplying people with stuff that they shouldn't have.

If I were you, whilst you're free I'd read the latest Alan Sugar book. Just like Richard Branson, he started off with nothing and has built an empire from nothing over the years. He didn't fall into money and fair play to him.

You always seem to go on about being in the right place at the right time. Being in a Casino isn't going to get you noticed. Being on a forum posting stuff like this during the day when you could be out working or trying to make your business work won't get you noticed. You could have taken the £10K that your Grandad offered and chucked it all on Red 32 on the Roulette wheel and won £360K and that'd get you noticed!!

There are people on this forum that are in the position I would love to be in but at this moment in time I can't get to that stage. That's not to say that I won't because I will do but it will take longer than I want it to. They work hard as do I and the rest of the forum. All I can do is concentrate on what I am currently doing and it will come in the end.
I think you are a bit of a dreamer Charlie and you are hoping that someone comes along and hands you stuff on a plate. Sounds harsh but that's the way I see it.

Darren - Correct, Richard Branson did.
Alan Sugar literally had nothing and started selling stuff in the school playground and then moved on to other stuff as he saw opportunities arising. The book is well worth a read as it can encourage you to try harder, which is what it's done for me.

[Marc J]

Darren - Correct, Richard Branson did.

Richard Branson is also a convicted criminal (for tax evasion) :eek:

[Kernow]

. She lived in a council house, parents were on the doll etc etc.

Sounds a bit of an inflated claim :eek:

;) :D

[Leicester Ben]

I wonder if Ben M from the forum knew what he'd be doing now, if you asked him 10 years ago?

I knew that I would be working for myself as I have never really fancied working for anybody else!

No, I didn't know that I would be doing dance floors, event equipment hire etc.

I honestly think that you go along life and you come across ideas, opportunities etc and the hardest part is choosing which opportunities you want to explore and which ones you don't think will work. Once you have more success than failures then your on to the right track.

If I give you an example for what I am doing now, I was told about dance floors by another DJ friend, he didn't want to get them and didn't think that they would take off. I did think that they would be successful and I was proved right as they have earned me over £100k in 2 years.

However I also thought that the starlit tables and starlight wedding arch would be good ideas, they have both flopped massively!!! I also back in the day bought a franchise of a phone company, that flopped massively, but you need to take the positives out of it and move on. That business cost me a fortune but I wouldn't be where I am now without the skills that I learnt from doing it!

Luckily / with good judgement I have chosen more good products than bad products. If you read the Richard Branson books (I listen to them a lot, its much easier than reading) you will know that he has had some unsuccessful companies, but he has had more successful ones which is why he is where he is now. Its not really to do with luck, you make your own luck 99% of the time!

You just need to get out there, do a good job and take the right opportunities when they come your way, whatever they may be!

[Jonny Boy]

Cosmic ordering and being nice to people.

:angel:

:rolleyes:
Ommmmm.

Deeeep *man*. ;)

That's just what we all need... to get to the end of a gig and whooop there it is...... the sound of one hand clapping.....
:daft: :D

CHARLIE:

KEEP
KARMA
and
CARRY
ON

:p

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I did think that they would be successful and I was proved right as they have earned me over £100k in 2 years.




£50K a year profit is excellent or is that turnover?

[Leicester Ben]

Its a difficult one for me to work out with the spreadsheet I have as it does not take out the travel and diesel costs for each job (as I wasn't that organised when I first started doing the spreadsheet).

The floors have paid for themselves and made £120k on top of that however so either way it was a good decision to buy them. The turnover amount on them would be higher (I don't know how much by though without sitting down and working it all out).

Although if your looking at this and thinking oh its easy, lets buy some dance floors think again! The cost to hire these has decreased dramatically due to the number of idiots with them doing stupidly low prices. It wouldn't be something that I would buy now, thats for sure!

Bottom line for Charlie is that he needs to get out there, get busy doing discos and wait for the right opportunity to come up! Oh and stop gambling at the casino, when you have cash to throw away you can do that!!!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Sorry Ben, but you can't come out with statements like "They have earned me over £100K profit in 2 years" and not know whether that was turnover or profit etc!

[Leicester Ben]

The actual money involved isn't the point, the point is that they have been successful, and the reason I said that was to go alongside my point of that you need to choose the right ideas and disregard the rest.

I havent got an exact profit figure for the floors as its one product in a wide range of products that we have. Worst case is that its cost me £40k for the diesel and the staff to take them to the jobs (it hasn't but for the sake of argument) that still leaves £80k profit.

Anyway, this isnt about dance floors and how profitable they are or are not, its about me trying to get the point over to Charlie that people are not lucky, they make their own luck by working hard and choosing the right options.

[Charlie Brown]

Anyway, this isnt about dance floors and how profitable they are or are not, its about me trying to get the point over to Charlie that people are not lucky, they make their own luck by working hard and choosing the right options.

Which is beginning to make sense. :beer1:

Thanks to all who've posted. I keep reading and re-reading the posts, it'll hit home soon.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

The actual money is the point when you post that you have made over £100K profit and then you aren't sure whether it's profit or not.

You could turnover £100K and only make £10K profit which isn't so good and is my point.

And I agree with your last point.

[funkymook]

This may sound a bit harsh Charlie - but if you had just got on with DJ'ing, learnt your trade, invested wisely, saved your money, took advice from professionals and not posted most of the crap you have done you'd actually be an example of the success you're talking about - you'd have people bending over backwards to offer you opportunities because you would've proved you were reliable and a grafter.

But it's all a learning process - you've tried it one way, it's obviously not working for you, so try changing your ways. There's plenty of good role models on here. Start from the beginning again - you're lucky because you're young enough to do that.

[Cowlinn]

Charlie, sign up with recruiters in the city, a few of them. I am going to get shot down for saying this but it is pretty easy to get a semi-half decent job in big citys.

Work for a few years and save up the money yourself, then decide whatever you want to spend it on.

It sounds like your planning on spending 10k on something on a whim, politely decline the offer and try and get a job for a few years. It will give you some fundamental experience too.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I am going to get shot down for saying this but it is pretty easy to get a semi-half decent job in big citys.


I'm not going to shoot you down. I'm just going to say that you have no idea what you are talking about.

It's not pretty easy to get a job anywhere at this point. Have you looked at the unemployment figures, particularly those for the younger section of our society?

There are jobs being advertised in DIY shops round here that have over 50 applicants. That's not even a decent job either.

Good god, talk about a ridiculous statement.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I'd agree with Darren totally.
Our area is just the same and people go on about the South being lucky compared to the Midlands and North of England.
I've spoken to people who absolutely hate the jobs that they're in and I have said to them that they just have to grin and bear it because the chances of walking straight into another one are pretty slim.

[Cowlinn]

I'm not going to shoot you down. I'm just going to say that you have no idea what you are talking about.

It's not pretty easy to get a job anywhere at this point. Have you looked at the unemployment figures, particularly those for the younger section of our society?

There are jobs being advertised in DIY shops round here that have over 50 applicants. That's not even a decent job either.

Good god, talk about a ridiculous statement.

Well there seems to be a fair bit about in London at the mo. I've had 3 or 4 job offers that I've turned down (having been for an interview and actually been offered the position) due to me being very picky as I'm off to uni.

I don't know where you live but I did emphasise in my post "Big Citys" If Charlie got a train down to London and signed up with 5 recruitment agencies, he would stand a very good chance of getting a job.

[Charlie Brown]

I'd also stand a very good chance of getting a job in Nottingham, if I looked. I'm not blowing my own trumpet BTW but I'm fortunate to have a years paid experience/work under my belt at 18 for a very reputable company, with a glowing reference.

[Cowlinn]

I'd also stand a very good chance of getting a job in Nottingham, if I looked. I'm not blowing my own trumpet BTW but I'm fortunate to have a years paid experience/work under my belt at 18 for a very reputable company.

That's exactly my point, so do it!

[NKR]

Well there seems to be a fair bit about in London at the mo. I've had 3 or 4 job offers that I've turned down (having been for an interview and actually been offered the position) due to me being very picky as I'm off to uni.

I don't know where you live but I did emphasise in my post "Big Citys" If Charlie got a train down to London and signed up with 5 recruitment agencies, he would stand a very good chance of getting a job.

Doing what exactly? Just interested as you said there are a load of semi decent jobs about.

[Cowlinn]

Doing what exactly? Just interested as you said there are a load of semi decent jobs about.

I've had an offer for a Teachers Assistant, Marketing assistant for a solicitors firm and a sales postion at a property awards company.

EDIT: And a school receptionist, but the pay was dreadful.

[Charlie Brown]

I've had an offer for a Teachers Assistant, Marketing assistant for a solicitors firm and a sales postion at a property awards company.

EDIT: And a school receptionist, but the pay was dreadful.

Huh?

You actually got these jobs and declined them or were offered an interview?

[Cowlinn]

Huh?

You actually got these jobs and declined them or were offered an interview?

I got offered the jobs.

[NKR]

I've had an offer for a Teachers Assistant, Marketing assistant for a solicitors firm and a sales postion at a property awards company.

EDIT: And a school receptionist, but the pay was dreadful.

Property Awards Company? Who was that out of interest. You are in my field now.

[Cowlinn]

Property Awards Company? Who was that out of interest. You are in my field now.

It doesn't matter what company it was, it's totally beside the point. Anyway, this has nothing to do with folks falling into money now.

[NKR]

It doesn't matter what company it was, it's totally beside the point.

It was a perfectly civil question about who offered you a job as I work in property and work with all the main publications and have attended all of the main regional awards at some point or another.

Your answer suggests you are

a) Making it up and have been caught out.
b) Just plain rude.

[Cowlinn]

It was a perfectly civil question about who offered you a job as I work in property and work with all the main publications and have attended all of the main regional awards at some point or another.

Your answer suggests you are

a) Making it up and have been caught out.
b) Just plain rude.

I probably was rude, as your question was irrelevant to the thread and I don't want to share my personal life on here. PM me if you are really that bothered.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I probably was rude, as your question was irrelevant to the thread and I don't want to share my personal life on here. PM me if you are really that bothered.

:eek:

[NKR]

lol :)

Lol all you want my friend.

I have a very good job in which I worked my way up from the bottom. I also run a nice little DJ business at weekends which does very nicely too.

Edited by Excalibur, we're heading into personal insults with no useful purpose. That's not allowed. .

[Jiggles]

I am applying for every job left right and centre and I have only had 4 interviews! Nothing at all from them! Wheres my big break?

[Cowlinn]

I am applying for every job left right and centre and I have only had 4 interviews! Nothing at all from them! Wheres my big break?

perseverance is key mate I applied for hundreds and hundreds before getting a handful of interviews, and I mean hundreds.

[Charlie Brown]

I am applying for every job left right and centre and I have only had 4 interviews! Nothing at all from them! Wheres my big break?

What kind of stuff are you applying for?


perseverance is key mate I applied for hundreds and hundreds before getting a handful of interviews, and I mean hundreds.

Maybe this unemployment thing has got a lot worse?

October 2010, I applied for 4 jobs and got all of them. Sent my CV, had all the interviews and got offered the jobs. I was obviously in a fortunate position and presumed it was pretty standard, bearing in mind it was the first time I'd ever applied for something.

[Cowlinn]

I am applying for every job left right and centre and I have only had 4 interviews! Nothing at all from them! Wheres my big break?
How did the bus driver job go pal, I know you got quite far in applying for that?

[Jiggles]

What kind of stuff are you applying for?

If it something that I have a remote chance at going for I apply! This is from Trainee Bus drivers (Need to be 21 though... :o ) to B&Q and Maplin!

[NKR]

I am applying for every job left right and centre and I have only had 4 interviews! Nothing at all from them! Wheres my big break?

Now there is an honest man and respect for that.

Keep on plugging away mate. If you want someone to look over your CV and provide some advice on its content I would gladly do so.

I used to be involved in interviewing and selecting both sandwich students and graduates. I also had to interview in my last job when we were expanding the team from me to eventually 10. We were really harsh with CV filtering as we got that many.