Pro Mobile - Conference 2013

[yourdj]

Hia

Right one month till the Promobile Conference! It will be a brilliant 2 days!

I have heard a few people say they cant afford it, but for just a few hundred pounds (Ie one gig a year!!) you get a host of
information, get to network with the UK's best mobile DJ's, attend a Gala Dinner and also accommodation in a very nice hotel (included in the price)!

It's a no brainer in my opinion, but that is just my opinion :p



THE ITINERARY

Sunday 17th March 2013

10:30am Conference Registration Opens

11:00am Networking Brunch
A great place to start - meeting and eating!
The conference will kick off with an informal networking event, running in tandem with the conference registration. Arrive, register for your conference badge, grab a cuppa and a hot breakfast sandwich, and then dive straight into the networking!

12:00pm Welcome - Eddie Short
Time to get serious!
The formal conference programme will begin with a brief welcome from Eddie Short, Pro Mobile editor and Conference Curator, who will share some of the vision for the conference and whet your appetite for what is to come.

12:15pm The Perfect Host - Jim Cerone
This inspiring keynote seminar will outline a change in mind-set that, if adopted, could completely revolutionise your performances and mobile DJ business.
A successful and well-respected DJ and educator in the USA, Jim Cerone will be speaking in the UK for the first time at the conference. In this lead keynote session Jim will go in to detail discussing the 10 essential ingredients for becoming 'The Perfect Host'. Following on from the keynote seminar Jim will host two separate (identical) interactive workshop sessions teaching 10 ways to be much more effective in front of a live audience. This will allow smaller groups of delegates to train with Jim and put some of his ideas and principles into practice.

1:45pm Insights from Improvisation - Alex MacLaren
This session is about learning and applying techniques from outside of the traditional mobile DJ skill-set for above average results.
The 'out of industry' speaker for the conference, Alex MacLaren, is a professional actor, improviser and trainer. In this entertaining and engaging presentation Alex will share the principles and procedures used by stage improvisers such as those in 'Whose Line is it Anyway' and show how they can be applied by mobile DJs, both at events and in running their businesses. Later in the afternoon Alex will then host two interactive workshops in which he will take delegates through exercises in pairs, threes and small groups to demonstrate the principles of improvisation and their applications.

2:45pm The State Of The Industry - Panel Session
Have you ever wondered where the mobile DJ industry is heading?
In the past decade the mobile DJ business has reached new heights of professionalism. Have we already hit the peak, or is there still room to flourish further? Does our sector need formal regulation and what impact would that have on the wider DJ community? This panel will feature industry figures representing associations, media and the music industry and will be a great forum to hear their thoughts on the future of mobile DJing. There is a lot to be discussed, and you will have a chance to add in your thoughts too. The future of the mobile DJ industry is in your hands...

4:00pm Workshop Sessions - Jim Cerone & Alex MacLaren
Practical applications of the keynote principles.
These two interactive sessions will allow our keynote speakers to show practical applications of the principles outlined in their earlier seminar sessions. Half of the conference delegates will take part in Jim's workshop while the rest spend an hour with Alex, the two groups will then swap for a second hour - allowing all delegates to participate in both workshops as part of a smaller group.

7:30pm Pro Mobile Gala Dinner
The first day of the conference will end with a networking dinner, followed by entertainment until late.
Continue networking with fellow DJs and the conference speakers over a three course dinner in the hotel ballroom. Then enjoy the evening entertainment along with the company of like-minded colleagues. Finally, the hotel bar will remain open for late-night debate until the last delegates head for bed.
Monday 18th March 2013

7:30am Ideas Sharing Breakfast - Mark Walsh
The perfect way to get focussed for the day ahead.
We are trying to cram in as many networking and idea sharing opportunities as possible throughout the Conference and Monday morning the conversation starts early over breakfast. Join Mark Walsh at 7.30am for an hour of lively debate and sharing of thoughts, concepts and ideas in one of his infamous 'ideas sharing' sessions. Find out from others how they work, market and run their businesses; and don't forget to add your own stories and ideas in to the melting pot. When you arrive for breakfast you will be asked to fill in a brief questionnaire and then let the conversation begin...

9:30am Mobile DJ Success - Panel Session
Ever wondered how some DJs command higher fees than others?
Is there one golden path to DJ success - or are there multiple potential routes to follow? This panel will highlight a hand-picked group of extremely successful DJs, who will share their personal experiences and advice for colleagues. The debate will then be opened up to the floor for the many other successful DJs in attendance to share their views.

10:15am The Mobile DJ Clinics
Your chance to ask specific questions to a host of experts in particular fields related to DJing and running a mobile entertainment business.
This unique session is your chance to pose a question in person to one of our speakers, the conference organisers and other selected industry professionals. You'll get a four minute personal one-to-one chat with your panellist of choice; a chance to pose questions and find out how their knowledge and experiences can aid your personal development. Then, as soon as the buzzer goes, you move around and start a new conversation with another industry peer. This is 'business speed-dating' at its finest!

11:30am Stage Work & Performance Art - Mark Walsh
This interactive presentation is all about working on your business's biggest performance asset, YOU.
Popular mobile DJ trainer Mark Walsh will be drilling in to the art of performance, taking a look at what makes a great performer and how you can learn to be one too. A good consummate performance will win any audience over and is the fast track to gaining an audiences' respect and ultimately increased bookings. Make yourself in to a consummate professional and stand out from the crowd.

1:00pm Networking Lunch
Another chance to pick someone's brains or pick up a new contact.
A good networker never takes a break. So chose your seat carefully for this two course hot and cold buffet lunch. Don't go for the safe option and sit next to someone you already know, step out of your comfort zone and strike up a conversation with a complete stranger - who knows where it may lead!

2:00pm Business Planning for DJs - David Reed
This is the vital step to help you organise all of your ideas and give you a practical plan that will help you make more money.
After the exposure you will get to the presenters and fellow delegates at the conference, you will have loads of new ideas and a renewed vision for your DJ business. Before you lose any of your excitement and good intentions to put these things into practice, this interactive seminar will give you a simple and practical way of integrating all this new information into your business. You will get the framework to create a Business Plan that works for you, your customers and your business.

3:30pm Final Thoughts
Every good thing must come to an end!
The conference will close with a final session summarising the two days and offering delegates a chance to feedback.

4:00pm Conference Closes

http://www.mobiledjconference.co.uk/

[Corabar Entertainment]

Like we're not already receiving enough adverts via email :rolleyes:

Did you have to post the entire spiel, Toby? I think I will be able to recite that in my sleep if I see it many more times! :lol:

[Andy Collins]

Yep, another 4 emails today and posted on every forum and facebook page they can think off. Beyond tedious and reeks of desperation.

Personally I am not going because the majority (not all) of the speakers just don't inspire me. I have heard what thay have to say more than on 1 occassion at BPM and if I have missed anything I can read it in the pro mobile magazine. Spamming me in some vein attempt to brainwash me will not make me want to attend! :bang:

[SC Events]

Yep, another 4 emails today and posted on every forum and facebook page they can think off. Beyond tedious and reeks of desperation.

Personally I am not going because the majority (not all) of the speakers just don't inspire me. I have heard what thay have to say more than on 1 occassion at BPM and if I have missed anything I can read it in the pro mobile magazine. Spamming me in some vein attempt to brainwash me will not make me want to attend! :bang:

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One of the main reasons I won't be going is because pretty much all of these marketing/conference things are based on what they do in America... and I couldn't care less - I live in England! If I wanted to be like an American i'd live there...

I would've thought people in this country would've learnt a lesson by now about tagging along with the USA...

[DJIanScott]

Like we're not already receiving enough adverts via email

Marketing overkill.....for uninspirational keynote speakers. Sorry, not for me either.

[yourdj]

I agree with the over advertising, but it is a large event and it needs to be advertised just like any other business.
Nothing to do with me as i posted this off my own back as i thought some of you may be interested? Maybe i was wrong?

It's not really your normal DJ meet to be honest and given the fact that it will be two days (in a very
nice hotel) with accommodation and a gala dinner included its money well spent in my opinion.

its not only the keynote speaking but it is also also great to mix with some very good DJ's that i would not normally come into contact
with and I have no doubt i will come out of it with many ideas that will boost my business and make my job that much more enjoyable ;)
I have attended things like this before and have literally only had one idea that has completely changed my business and also my income.
If I was at home scratching my ass I may have saved a bit of cash but never have thought of that in a million years so well worth the time and money.


Its no bother to me if you come or not as its not my business, but it would be a good thing to get a bit of industry support from some of its leading figures :( I am surprised that Andy holds such views as I always thought of him as an extremely forward thinking DJ and always see him at things like this. Check out the photos and videos after if your still not sure and perhaps its something you might like to attend next year?

Thanks for taking the time to have a look anyway people ;)

[Andy Collins]

I am all for training Toby but I have been put off by this for a couple of reasons - the first one being the complete overkill on promoting this. That's put me right off anyway - I have better things to do with my time that keep deleting repeat emails that I get in a very short space in time.

The speakers are not industry leaders. I've heard Dave Reed speak on many occasions and although jumbled about a bit leads to the same thing, put your prices up so you can spend more in my shop. As for Eddie and Mark, no dis-respect to them in any way shape or form and I am not knocking or belittling what they have done - but they are not inspirational. I can hear them for free at BPM.

If I were to go I would only be interested in what Jim had to say - again though he has never held a seminar in the UK, so hazard a guess he knows very little about the UK market.

I appreciate it’s in a nice hotel and a gala dinner, but gala dinners are where Mrs. Collins and I go, not with other DJ's!

I am all for networking and training - I spend a lot of time travelling long distances to network with other DJ's and also spend a considerable amount of money, time and effort in training DVD's, CD's, workshops and seminars.

Put a seminar together with Randy Bartlett, Jim Cerone, Peter Merry and Mark Ferrell - now that WOULD be worth going too, and I have no doubt wouldn't need a marketing overkill to inspire people to part with their cash!

Good luck to anyone who goes, the views on the speakers are my own after hearing them in the past. My main objection always was the way Eddie and Mark feel that it is acceptable to spam me!

[discoworld]

I think it is great that these guys are taking a gamble on putting on an event like this. I'm not sure I would attend if I still worked as a DJ, however the option is there. Remember how BPM started, these are not guys who have made massive money in the industry - they took a gamble to try and improve the industry and offer more and without doubt BPM has now become something to look forward to for most people. Pro Mobile I would say is a very difficult magazine to produce, what can you say that hasn't been said and getting the manufacturers to back either of these projects in the early days must have been very hard work. I would rather these things existed with the choice of taking part of not, reading or not than to not exist at all.

As for the "spamming", everything I have seen has an unsubscribe feature or you and stop liking the facebook page. Spam is something that you get without any choice - this isn't spam. It might be overkill for sure. Whether you like this event, the emails or facebook posts from these guys - it is an option open to you and I think that is a good thing. The more options the better.

[yourdj]

I think it is great that these guys are taking a gamble on putting on an event like this. I'm not sure I would attend if I still worked as a DJ, however the option is there. Remember how BPM started, these are not guys who have made massive money in the industry - they took a gamble to try and improve the industry and offer more and without doubt BPM has now become something to look forward to for most people. Pro Mobile I would say is a very difficult magazine to produce, what can you say that hasn't been said and getting the manufacturers to back either of these projects in the early days must have been very hard work. I would rather these things existed with the choice of taking part of not, reading or not than to not exist at all.

As for the "spamming", everything I have seen has an unsubscribe feature or you and stop liking the facebook page. Spam is something that you get without any choice - this isn't spam. It might be overkill for sure. Whether you like this event, the emails or facebook posts from these guys - it is an option open to you and I think that is a good thing. The more options the better.

I agree. You can unsubscribe or contact them as Eddie is very easy going and would not want to upset anyone.
Andy does seem upset by this which is fair enough and i agree that over marketing does not do it any favours :)

That forgotten however:

They have made very huge risks with BPM and now the Conference. imagine what BPM would have cost if no one turned up!! they would probably have faced jail time perhaps - but they stuck their neck out and just did it!

For all they knew no one would have bought tickets to this conference too and they would still have to pay for the venue and the speakers (God knows how much it will cost for Jim Cerone to come from the states) but as it stands they have a very good number of people. Well most of the normal faces (quell suprize) and lots of new ones too as i have seen the full list, being a contributor (so its not marketing in desperation).

As per the content - its totally different to the seminars at BPM. I have never got much out of the BPM seminars tbh and they are very sammy each year and dumbed down for people who would not normally go to seminars and amateurs attending.

I cannot comment on the speakers attending and what they will cover, but i do believe that they will really excel and produce the goods as its a much bigger event with a room full of advanced mobile DJ's (who have all paid a fee) so they will write a specialist key note relating to that level of professional skill.

I will post some videos and photos after it has happened and people can judge for themselves if they are adverse to attending this year.

For those who are interested check out the site. :)
I am really looking forward to it :)

[paulg]

"These are not guys who have made massive money in the industry". Enough said!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Let's not get all dewy eyed about this. BPM was always and is a business. The same for the conference. Mark isn't stupid and is a business man and I'm sure he has calculated the risk as he would in any other business. Whilst I encourage anything that makes our industry better, you're making out that he's doing us all a big favour by putting this on! If the powers that be are making a loss and putting their houses on the line etc, then they shouldn't be running a DJ conference on how to be more successful!

[yourdj]

Let's not get all dewy eyed about this. BPM was always and is a business. The same for the conference. Mark isn't stupid and is a business man and I'm sure he has calculated the risk as he would in any other business. Whilst I encourage anything that makes our industry better, you're making out that he's doing us all a big favour by putting this on! If the powers that be are making a loss and putting their houses on the line etc, then they shouldn't be running a DJ conference on how to be more successful!

For once Darren i do agree with you :p Snapshot this post and frame it :)


Still going to be a great few days :)

[discoworld]

My comment on them not making loads of money is probably being taken out of the context I meant it to sound. What I mean is that these guys didn't start with hundreds of thousands of pounds. They are average guys with families like most of us probably and therefore didn't have the money for it not to work. This is my opinion of course. This is a very small industry compared to many and it is difficult to get things like this working, I personally think they have done a great job with BPM and hope they are successful with this new idea.

[yourdj]

My comment on them not making loads of money is probably being taken out of the context I meant it to sound. What I mean is that these guys didn't start with hundreds of thousands of pounds. They are average guys with families like most of us probably and therefore didn't have the money for it not to work. This is my opinion of course. This is a very small industry compared to many and it is difficult to get things like this working, I personally think they have done a great job with BPM and hope they are successful with this new idea.

Same here.
They have put lots of effort in and probably dont expect huge returns, but of course are entitled to be paid for thier time with a profit too. :)

[Paul The Party Dj]

I sometimes wonder why anyone tries to do anything for the their fellow DJ's, whether they are doing it for profit or not. People set up forums and facebook groups and then seem to spend considerable amounts of time sorting out petty fights.

If anyone suggests that DJ's should pay for a conference, or a forum, or (heaven forbid) training, splits appear in the community - I just think it's so sad.

DJ's seem to want everything for nothing - they want the cheapest deal on anything they buy and they often seem to expect their colleagues to share knowledge for no return.

The ProMobile Conference is a great opportunity to spend a couple of days with fellow DJ's have a good chat and see where the industry might go. I know it's not cheap but it's a business expense that can be offset against tax so for me it's a no-brainer. I wish Eddie and Mark all the best with this project and I thank them for seeing an opportunity and having the guts to have a go.

Peace & Love :beer1:

[soundmaster mobile disco]

I thought about going but its a large expense,i also live in scotland so the cost of travelling alone is very costly.

I am happy attending bpm every year where i can get the same networking with like minded djs,attend the various seminars\workshops ect

I do wish the team luck with the conference and hope it goes well

[Jonny Boy]

To me, it seems the whole DJ education debate is not entirely different to the whole private vs state education debate. Upward and downward snobbery are rife.

For those who can afford, via silver spoons or other sacrifices, the "private education" of high-fee courses, the benefits and opportunities are obvious. Doors open more easily (rightly or wrongly - they do!) And suprisingly enough, Eton is run for profit too...

Others can only do their best from the local comprehensive (BPM/NADJ/even DJ Tutor and forums!)....but with hard work also get great careers.

Hope this allegory makes sense!

Other people can stick to £60 "dole" gigs ....." 'cos you can't get no jobs round yer, like, innit."
Thankfully, I don't think anyone on this forum falls into that camp. :-)

[Corabar Entertainment]

Don't get me wrong... I'm not knocking the concept or the event and hope it goes well. Not going personally, but that is in no way a comment on the event / doesn't mean it wouldn't interest me another time. However, the marketing has been very poorly managed.

If the adverts were only coming direct from the conference marketing, then unsubscribing would be an option. However, the emails are coming from every conceivable DJ source - from places that I want to continue to receive information, so unsubscribing isn't an option! - and there appears to have been no central co-ordination to check when these various 'partners' will be sending out their emails, which has resulted in the 4 emails in one day scenario which is what has annoyed people so much.

Hopefully, they will have learnt from these mistakes and the marketing will be better co-ordinated if they do another one.

[yourdj]

Other people can stick to £60 "dole" gigs ....." 'cos you can't get no jobs round yer, like, innit."
Thankfully, I don't think anyone on this forum falls into that camp. :-)

Plenty of lurkers though. a once a year £500 investment is not too much really for two days conferences, accommodation
and a gala dinner! depends how people look at it. Its only two gigs for an average DJ, which is a minimal expense opposed
to what you can learn and as a result in improving your business.

Get a good idea for example which may double trade or enable you to double your price.
Most of them have come from events like this rather than forums and Facebook posts personally.




Hopefully, they will have learnt from these mistakes and the marketing will be better co-ordinated if they do another one.

I agree.


The line up looks good :) Gonna be a fun weekend:


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[soundmaster mobile disco]

Glad to hear the confrence went well guys.just a few thing

1)whay are these events allways held in upmarket costly venues? (which increases the cost)

2)did they really need a grand gala dinner (which also increases the cost)

3)does attending the workshop guarantee you any extra bookings?does it bring in any extra money to your business?

4)i think they are all about putting your prices up,you should be charging a minimun of x ammount
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5)from my experience of the various workshops\seminars i have attended yes they are full of good advice,but by putting my fees up i have lost out on alot of bookings.

[Shaun]

Gl
but by putting my fees up i have lost out on alot of bookings.

I dont mind losing out on bookings. I'd rather do 60 events per year at double my old rate than 120 at half the price. Work smarter not harder

[DJIanScott]

I dont mind losing out on bookings. I'd rather do 60 events per year at double my old rate than 120 at half the price. Work smarter not harder

That's pretty much what we'd all like to do......but the question is.....are you?
No matter how much you raise your game, how long and hard you listen to experienced talking heads or how expensive your new kit is, there is a finite element that is overlooked. The customer's budget. And like it or not, the fact is that more people than ever are looking for cheaper deals. Therefore, receiving 'advice' at a conference to put your prices up (from a man who owns an online DJ store) when he knows very little about your area and the competition therein, is not good advice. Stabilise your prices, offer discounts and ride out this economic downturn as best you can. The good times will be back...and hopefully sooner than we think.

[ppentertainments]

That's pretty much what we'd all like to do......but the question is.....are you?
No matter how much you raise your game, how long and hard you listen to experienced talking heads or how expensive your new kit is, there is a finite element that is overlooked. The customer's budget. And like it or not, the fact is that more people than ever are looking for cheaper deals. Therefore, receiving 'advice' at a conference to put your prices up (from a man who owns an online DJ store) when he knows very little about your area and the competition therein, is not good advice. Stabilise your prices, offer discounts and ride out this economic downturn as best you can. The good times will be back...and hopefully sooner than we think.

Are there and facts to back up these statements or are they your opinion ??

[yourdj]

Well that was the most enjoyable event I have been too!
I would have paid three times as much as £350 for it.
Thats hardly expensive for all the benefits you get LOL.

Quite truly amazing and full of great people too.

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[Solitaire Events Ltd]

This is all very well and I have read all the positive comments about it, but no-where have I read what people actually got out of it to help and improve their businesses.

[Mark Wild]

Looks like a Labour Party Conference with lasers lol

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I'd love to go to these things but having seen the content that is put out on social media and having been to a "lets get all american" workshop I have to say I've yet to see anyone put forward some hard evidence that this has worked......

[DJIanScott]

Are there and facts to back up these statements or are they your opinion ??

Facts to back up my statements? Yes of course. Twenty five years in the mobile DJ and corporate music industry. This past twelve months have seen a huge increase in customers budgeting more than ever before, at both the top and bottom end of the scale. If it's not happening to you, then you are either very very lucky or in denial.

[DJIanScott]

This is all very well and I have read all the positive comments about it, but no-where have I read what people actually got out of it to help and improve their businesses.

Well said. I guess we'll now see the delegates who attended wearing an 'I was there' badge....

[yourdj]

This is all very well and I have read all the positive comments about it, but no-where have I read what people actually got out of it to help and improve their businesses.

I will list out everything below about what I learnt for all the people who were cynical, could
not stump up one gigs funds or were not interested in making the effort to attend.

NOT.

It's suffice to say that every attendee came out of that with many ideas but I doubt they will want to share them.
I have been to loads of these things and this was the most useful.

[DazzyD]

I really can't believe that this subject has so many people so divided. So there was a trade conference on. Fair enough. Some people went and some people didn't. Fair enough. What is the problem?

Because people forked out the money to go doesn't make them superior to those that didn't (the similarities to the Mac vs PC debate with this subject are quite outstanding!). Nor does it make them stupid, daft, or any other similar description for paying the money and attending. If they feel it was worth it and they got something from it - fine. If not, then it was money wasted - they won't do it again!

The only thing we, as DJs, have in common in that we play music to people. Everything else is down to personality. Everyone of us likes different things and do things differently. That's what makes us human.

Rant over. Now, can we all live together in harmony again?? ;)

[yourdj]

I really can't believe that this subject has so many people so divided. So there was a trade conference on. Fair enough. Some people went and some people didn't. Fair enough. What is the problem?

My thoughts exactly. :)
I did not expect all the comments when posting this tbh - so not sure what all the animosity is all about?

I agree a good chinwag down the pub with a few good DJ could prove very beneficial (and free) as does this event, which has taken time and money to set up and run - hence the cost. judging by mine and other friends past experiences one good idea can double your business success and sitting at home watching East Enders aint gonna help that LOL.

Collective consciousness is a powerful thing and there were some VERY good DJ's at that event (Mark Vandeburg for example). At the same time there were relative beginners too and everyone was non ego driven and there to learn/have a good time which was lovely to see :)

Hopefully see some people next year.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

So Toby, you have come on here and learned a lot and yet you go to a conference and suddenly you aren't sharing anything because it cost you money and others couldn't be bothered to go?

Come on now Toby, it's only half a gig for you surely?

I still think the reason that people fail to share or say what happened is that they don't really know. Nothing tangible?

Who knows. We aren't going to get answers here, that's for sure.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

My thoughts exactly. :)
so not sure what all the animosity is all about?



What animosity? It's discussion and what this forum was built for.

There are people on this forum and on FB who I simply don't believe when it comes to business, earnings and other things they say. Plenty claim to have no other income and to be a full time DJ and yet do have other income. Plenty claim to be earning 'x' amount per night and yet aren't VAT registered. Plenty claim to have got fantastic ideas and yet we never get to hear anything of them.

I like cold hard facts, not rumour, not lies and I can't stand some of the back slapping that goes on sometimes either.

No animosity Toby, just opinion and my personal experiences. I have listened to Derek's CD and it was a waste of my time. For someone less experienced or new to business then fair enough. Dave Reed - heart in the right place, but taking any marketing technique and using it for our industry, for DJs who couldn't see further than the end of their own nose. I have heard Dave's talks on several occasions and have asked questions and had objections to which he couldn't answer.

[yourdj]

So Toby, you have come on here and learned a lot and yet you go to a conference and suddenly you aren't sharing anything because it cost you money and others couldn't be bothered to go?

Come on now Toby, it's only half a gig for you surely?

I still think the reason that people fail to share or say what happened is that they don't really know. Nothing tangible?

Who knows. We aren't going to get answers here, that's for sure.


I dont sell any of my crown jewels on here either and never have done.
Normal stuff yes, but some ideas I don't - which is generally what i pick up at events like that.

I agree with tangible comment as I don't take notes unless something is amazingly unique. Its a mess of lots of information at the moment which is soon to be thought out ;) - mostly its lots of little things, which i use to streamline the business and make lots of small changes.

One such example is positioning and stage craft techniques that Mark was presenting - i learnt loads in that one.
There was also the MD's/UK reps of RCF, Denon, Pioneer etc. which mostly you have one2one time with and all day to ask questions and play with the kit. Its far better than BPM as you can dine with them and discuss thier products and plans etc. I suggested a set of midi buttons on a controller that effectively acts like a GWDMX with several banks of buttons rather than just the 9. The guy was on the phone to his boss ten mins later as he could not believe it has not been done yet. :)

You are obviously very advanced in the way you think and opperate your DJ business and don't need to attend events like this.
If people want to go to an event then they will - if the don't then they wont.
Don't see the point in discussing why or what tbh. as all the info is on the website.

I just posted this up for the people who might be interested in attending. :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I dont sell any of my crown jewels on here either and never have done.
Normal stuff yes, but some ideas I don't - which is generally what i pick up at events like that.



Perhaps it's time that others stop sharing with you then Toby.

I read your Pro Mobile article where you accredit MDD with giving you loads of information and a great start and yet you are unwilling to share anything you have learnt from somewhere where you had to pay money to glean the information?

Nice.

[yourdj]

Perhaps it's time that others stop sharing with you then Toby.

I read your Pro Mobile article where you accredit MDD with giving you loads of information and a great start and yet you are unwilling to share anything you have learnt from somewhere where you had to pay money to glean the information?

Nice.


That was when i started and did not know the difference between active and passive. :)

Since then however my 5,000 + posts are all me asking questions are they??
NO any member on here will say that I am willing to help them - and i have gone out of my way to help if I can.
I have actually had loads of PM's over the years thanking me for being helpful and "not aggressive or sarcastic" which one person said.

I actually thought you would appreciate the comment in PM (as you were were who I directed at) but that is clearly not the case.

This is the reason so many people have left forums like this and your last comment is a perfect example.
I am ducking out of this as its clearly not going anywhere as usual. Back to Facebook again :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

That was when i started and did not know the difference between active and passive. :)

Since then however my 5,000 + posts are all me asking questions are they??
NO any member on here will say that I am willing to help them - and i have gone out of my way to help if I can.
I have actually had loads of PM's over the years thanking me for being helpful and "not aggressive or sarcastic" which one person said.

I actually thought you would appreciate the comment in PM (as you were were who I directed at) but that is clearly not the case.

This is the reason so many people have left forums like this and your last comment is a perfect example.
I am ducking out of this as its clearly not going anywhere as usual. Back to Facebook again :)

No, people duck out because they disagree with what others say, can't get their own way and go and sulk.

If you think Facebook groups are better than using this forum Toby, then fair enough, but I totally disagree.

And my last comment is a perfect example of what? Being realistic? Knowing exactly what people are like, taking and not giving back?

Funnily enough, I've had PMs thanking me for my help over the years. I have spent hours on the phone, PMing, emailing people. I've had countless people stay at my house and shadow me whilst working and loads more come round and try equipment etc, so don't get all holier than thou on me.

What you consistently fail to realise is that this is a forum for discussion and opinions. I'm not getting at you personally, I just have a different opinion and that is what makes the world go round.

[DazzyD]

My thoughts exactly. :)
I did not expect all the comments when posting this tbh - so not sure what all the animosity is all about?

I agree a good chinwag down the pub with a few good DJ could prove very beneficial (and free) as does this event, which has taken time and money to set up and run - hence the cost. judging by mine and other friends past experiences one good idea can double your business success and sitting at home watching East Enders aint gonna help that LOL.

Collective consciousness is a powerful thing and there were some VERY good DJ's at that event (Mark Vandeburg for example). At the same time there were relative beginners too and everyone was non ego driven and there to learn/have a good time which was lovely to see :)

Hopefully see some people next year.

I think you mis-read me, there, Toby.

I was not siding with anyone. I find both sides of the coin quite boring, tbh. Like I said, this thread bears more than a passing resemblence to the the Mac ("We're so much superior than you") vs PC debate.

What I really don't get is that, in my book, the only way to get a competitive advantage on your competitors is to have a USP. To me, "unique" is one a kind. How can you have a unique selling point if all of the others in your industry have all learned from the same source? I think it's better to think for yourself and come up with your own ideas which will give you the truly unique selling point. Of course, the other way to succeed is to do exactly what your competitors do - only do it better. But if you've all been taught the "best" way to do it from the same source, where do you go from there?? Some points to ponder over, I think! ;)

BTW, the comment "everyone was non ego driven" I find very hard to believe. At the end of the day, we're in the entertainment industry where egos play a very big part in what we do - it's called "self confidence" and it's something we all have or we wouldn't survive in the job.

[funkymook]

I don't see any harm in sharing these things, most of it is available elsewhere (some for free). It's helpful to have it all in one place and someone to link it all together, you still have to action it yourself, just being told doesn't magically up your game.

I was on a workshop with Derek Pengelly today.

For me it was very useful - mainly to confirm I'm not too shabby with my customer service, listening, attention to detail etc.

Some very good points made about American weddings - we only tend to see and talk about the really over the top cringe-worthy ones, that's because they tend to be the only ones posted on youtube (no point posting a 'normal' clip). Apparently the majority of them are more low key and wouldn't offend the British reserve.

The big difference is American weddings tend to be between 2pm - 8pm, so far shorter than ours. In that time the ceremony, entrance, meal, speeches (toasts) first dance, cake etc have to be done - then maybe less than 90 minutes for a dance at the end. Knowing that made sense of the American DJ's MC style, they're not hired to just play music, they need to facilitate all the events during the meal as well. So if their value isn't in the music part of the night they need to add value to the other proceedings, and this is why they hone those MC skills and create 'special moments (yes that can be cheesy if done badly, so the trick is not to do it badly!).

So taking a few tips from them doesn't automatically make you an American style gameshow host, you adapt what works for you and your clients in a style that suits you.

No secrets there at all, mostly common sense and experience - but totally dismissing the American style without understanding it (and based on a few awful, and usually old, youtube clips) does seem a bit short sighted to me.

Obviously some people will be doing all this anyway and wouldn't learn anything new, but I learned a few things today. I could've researched them myself, but having someone put it into context, explain it, discuss it and answer questions means I've seen the relevance I may have missed otherwise.

And anyone that knows me knows I can be a cynical sod and I don't fall for smoke and mirrors - it was genuinely interesting and worthwhile for me.

[DJIanScott]

The big difference is American weddings tend to be between 2pm - 8pm, so far shorter than ours. In that time the ceremony, entrance, meal, speeches (toasts) first dance, cake etc have to be done - then maybe less than 90 minutes for a dance at the end. Knowing that made sense of the American DJ's MC style, they're not hired to just play music, they need to facilitate all the events during the meal as well. So if their value isn't in the music part of the night they need to add value to the other proceedings, and this is why they hone those MC skills and create 'special moments (yes that can be cheesy if done badly, so the trick is not to do it badly!)


An excellent posting, FunkyMook. I DJ'd at a wedding in the US about ten years ago and it was exactly as you described. Yet despite being very confident and established as a compere, host and presenter, etc, I hated almost every minute! I signed up to be a DJ to play music and watch people revel in my music choices! I guess if you're comfortable with that, then Jim Cerrone and Derek Pengelly are definitely the go-to men.
There is always something new to learn from every experience....I think the big build up and the constant barrage of promo material for the conference and some of the elitist comments have just been too much for a lot of DJs. Like you, I remain slightly sceptical (but not adverse) to most 'fluffy' marketing seminars, but my gripe with this one concerned the vitriol repeatedly spouted by David Reed about budget or cheap DJs......yet he continues to supply them with low budget equipment from his online shop. This reeks of double standards.

But hey, it's all over now til the next time, so let's all stop fighting and get on with getting on.

p.s. Great photos Toby (on Facebook) of the Amy Winehouse tribute act......and her supporting dancers!

[yourdj]

If you think Facebook groups are better than using this forum Toby, then fair enough, but I totally disagree.


Sorry Darren - I may have got a bit defensive, but you know what i meant. :)
I was just a bit put out that you would not think i have tried to help people on here because i have. Mostly bad advice but I try LOL.


I think you mis-read me, there, Toby.

I was not siding with anyone. I find both sides of the coin quite boring, tbh.

Yep and I agree with your previous comments too :)

Fair enough with the ego comment, but it was all very tame compared to various other events i have been to (if that makes sense).
The location helped with that as the hotel was stunning. The venue makes a big difference to a formal events guest mentality as we all know.

Anyhow:

What ever i learnt or did not learn it was a great couple of days away with some good friends and well worth the money. :)

[Jim - Scotland's Party DJ]

I don't see why there's so much animosity going on.

Personally if I'd paid and gone to it, I wouldn't be running around telling all and sundry any gems that had cropped up. We're competitors at the end of the day and if you're willing to put money down to attend something like this, why should you pass that knowledge on to the people who haven't ponied up the dough? i didn't go and I'll probably not go to Derek's seminar that's on up here in a few weeks but I know several of the guys who are going and wouldn't expect them to divulge anything that they didn't want to.

I think the issue might arise from the perception that it's a bit of a snake oil operation. I'm not in anyway saying that that's what it is but it seems that the premise is, give us your money and we'll let you into the secrets and higher echelons of DJ knowledge and when you ask people who have been to these seminars what it was like, they're essentially very secretive (whether that's due to it being of no worth to them or they don't want to let you know) Maybe giving a bit more info or a clearer picture about what is in them and how a seminar is going to help it would placate people and make them more willing to spend on it instead of taking a financial risk on something that might be rubbish.

Just my 2 bob. I'd be at Derek's Glasgow one for sure but it's my nephew's Christening the day before and this godfather isn't planning on being able to drive anywhere or mount a coherent sentence the next day. :)

[yourdj]

I don't see why there's so much animosity going on.

Personally if I'd paid and gone to it, I wouldn't be running around telling all and sundry any gems that had cropped up. We're competitors at the end of the day and if you're willing to put money down to attend something like this, why should you pass that knowledge on to the people who haven't ponied up the dough? i didn't go and I'll probably not go to Derek's seminar that's on up here in a few weeks but I know several of the guys who are going and wouldn't expect them to divulge anything that they didn't want to.

I think the issue might arise from the perception that it's a bit of a snake oil operation. I'm not in anyway saying that that's what it is but it seems that the premise is, give us your money and we'll let you into the secrets and higher echelons of DJ knowledge and when you ask people who have been to these seminars what it was like, they're essentially very secretive (whether that's due to it being of no worth to them or they don't want to let you know) Maybe giving a bit more info or a clearer picture about what is in them and how a seminar is going to help it would placate people and make them more willing to spend on it instead of taking a financial risk on something that might be rubbish.

Just my 2 bob. I'd be at Derek's Glasgow one for sure but it's my nephew's Christening the day before and this godfather isn't planning on being able to drive anywhere or mount a coherent sentence the next day. :)

Its a bit like the DJ Masons LOL.

There were lots of good points raised to do with the industry in general and specialist parts of it too, but nothing anyone wanting to research themselves could work out. Its a bit like me learning Polish. i could never do it myself at home and find it much easier in a class at a college so its a similar thing really. :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I don't see why there's so much animosity going on.



There isn't. It's discussion and opinion. Why don't you get that? :rolleyes:

[Jim - Scotland's Party DJ]

There isn't. It's discussion and opinion. Why don't you get that? :rolleyes:

Apologies. It just seemed like it was getting a bit heated and personal in some cases.

[Jonny Boy]

LOL. It does feel a bit like the DJ Masons TBH.... and in my experience of t'local lodge, *they* often end up booking a tribute act for their "gala dinner" entertainment" too. :rolleyes:


I have heard Dave's talks on several occasions and have asked questions and had objections to which he couldn't answer.

...other than passive-aggressively, you mean?
eg cutting people off half-way through explaining their points by repeating "Well that's your opinion/well you're entitled to think that/ to walk out if you don't agree/to carry on as you have been" type statements. I've seen him speak a few times too... and this has happened on each occasion.

Each time I thought "I've HAVE come away motivated, but without any tangible suggestions here...perhaps I'll have to pay out a chunk to learn those."
Well: lo and behold...... and there's the biz in show biz, folks. Can't blame him really: smart businessman.

The change of mind-set that Dave extols I welcome 100%... I get frustrated with any act who doesn't recognise their value... as much as I do at those that value themselves too highly. (Triumphs of ego and marketing over ability.)

But that's the biz in showbiz, again. ;-)

[QUOTE=yourdj;624864]Thats hardly expensive for all the benefits you get. [QUOTE=yourdj;624864]

Hmmm: sounds like the arguement we make every.time. someone sucks their teeth at a quotation, eh Toby?
Ultimately if one can't afford it (time or money)....then one can't afford it. Even if they know it'd be so much better if they could afford it.

Hence why I'm also in Pontins again this summer, albeit drinking the same cocktail I would be in the Maldives. ;-)

[funkymook]

It's a bit like the martial arts world - so many 'learn the secrets' or 'shortcut to being a blackbelt' books and courses.

There are no secrets apart from work hard at what you want to do and speak to people who have done it the same way.

[sandysounds]

I was there....and so glad I was.

There was only one American seminar....and he did a fine job applying it to the UK market. Someone asked for evidence that this stuff works. I've been using jim cerones ten points for the last five years..... And they work. I've got some of the most amazing references on my site and its partly due to adopting these presentation and delivery techniques. It was good to see it again and I even came away with another way of presenting the first dance.

I came away with some gems from mark Walsh.

I'd be happy to share the nuggets that I came away with.... But I know for a fact I'd get slaughtered with 'aren't you already doing that?' And 'isn't that obvious'.

It's not everyone's cup of tea..... But I'm often amazed how people can criticise something they weren't at!

I'm sure Toby would agree with me..... It was much more than a few seminars. The networking was invaluable. In a passing conversation over coffee I picked up a fantastic idea to do with client meetings.

I missed David reeds seminar so I don't know whether price was mentioned, but I didn't feel the weekend was about that at all. It was more about developing your own ability and performance to stand out in what is a very competitive market place.

[yourdj]

speak to people who have done it the same way.

Thats the main benefit of it - you get people who have done it and area doing it all in one room. :)



I'm sure Toby would agree with me..... It was much more than a few seminars. The networking was invaluable. In a passing conversation over coffee I picked up a fantastic idea to do with client meetings.

Chit chatting and having discussions over breakfast (for example) is definitely the best part.
You can do that at BPM for example but you never get enough time and everything is so rushed.
The fact we were all in the same space for 48 hours was brilliant. Location was also excellent for that as pointed out before.

I got the most from Jim and Marks talks. :)

how is the weather where you are - i am in Galway and its really wet!!

[Andy Collins]

how is the weather where you are - i am in Galway and its really wet!!

Thats a shame! We're enjoing a mini heat wave over here - enjoying the sunshine :beer1::beer1::beer1::guinness:

[yourdj]

Thats a shame! We're enjoing a mini heat wave over here - enjoying the sunshine :beer1::beer1::beer1::guinness:

Its OK from last night - it has not rained once. Bit cold and windy mind you :)
Lovely drive to Limerick today.

[funkymook]

Its OK from last night - it has not rained once. Bit cold and windy mind you :)
Lovely drive to Limerick today.

I know a poem about that.....

[sandysounds]

Still not home! We have snow drifts of 2metres and no electricity even if we could get home.

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Still not home! We have snow drifts of 2metres and no electricity even if we could get home.