Lack of courtesy, ignorance, or forgetfulness?

[Excalibur]

Or even a misunderstanding? Yes, the good old debate as to whether customers should feed and water us. Inspired by a rant of mine in Another Place, concerning a recent wedding I did. Nowadays, do customers expect that we'll make our own arrangements, do they expect that we'll join the buffet queue unbidden, or simply forget altogether?

One venue I work at sporadically has a small (tiny) function room with a raised area where the Disco and the Buffet co-exist in very close proximity. It's a bit galling at the end of the night to see the grub you've been a foot away from chucked into bin bags and discarded, and you were never even offered any. Do customers simply forget, do they reckon dining arrangements are a matter for us to deal with, or do they expect us to share the buffet without it being offered? ( and how many times have you played background music in the lull during the buffet, and the very instant you decide to pick up the tempo and get busy again, they come up and say " Oh you did help yourself to the food, didn't you? " Grrrrr. ) Would they bat an eyelid if we did help ourselves as a matter of course? ( And I mean tagging on the tail of the queue, not being at the front of the line and taking the clingfilm off ) I remember a very similar function where a member of the Bride's family came to check every half hour that my glass was full, and I was given exactly the same food ( a lovely cold knife and fork buffet ) as the guests.

As I said elsewhere, I'm of a generation where it was de rigeur to offer food and drink of some description to anyone working there. Nowadays, it doesn't seem to happen at most gigs. Should it be incorporated into our contracts? I've seen the riders of some bands, and a cup of tea and a plate of sarnies pale into insignificance by comparison.

I'm not going to put a poll with this, partly because I beleive there are few, if any hard and fast rules. Every one is different. What I'm really after ( and this is the tricky bit ) is an insight into how our customers' minds work. Next week I'll consider something simple, like the Hadron Collider. :D:D Over to you folks.

[ukpartydj]

I started a rather controversial thread a few months back where I mentioned I brought my own knife and fork to gigs incase it wasn't finger food.
In the few months that have passed I've done a complete U-turn and now even when offered politely refuse. Sometimes I'm just given a plate of food after I've declined - in which case I will happily eat it.

I used to just join the trail of hungry guests, it's just what I was used to from observing other DJ's and bands in my life. I have come to realise however that I provide a higher standard of entertainment than the DJ's I was getting my "inspiration" from and noticed the more expensive the wedding or party the less chance you have of being fed.

Bloody British and their politeness, I'm sure it's totally different in America!

[spin mobile disco]

I am offered food normally more than not and unless it is an all day event I normally decline. This is due a batch of food poisoning I got from several different buffets at weddings many years ago.
Saying that though watching them eat and feeling hungry is very difficult at times. As for drinks I occasionally accept a coke or similar if offered but normally only if it feels right at the time.

Back in the 90's it was very different though buffets where pretty much always on offer and expected and a few drinks going the DJ's way were almost guaranteed on a night. Seemed to die out around 8 years or so. Maybe it attitude changing or maybe the start of the recession not really sure on that.

[ultrasound disco]

DJs are robots and don't need food :muppet:

[Jim - Scotland's Party DJ]

Coincidentally I was fed the same main as the guests at Saturday's wedding. It was a half day booking and the couple had said at the initial booking that I'd be fed (which I told them not to do) but it was appreciated. I bought them both a drink at the end of the night to thank them but I'd never expect or demand a meal and considering the amount of photographers I hear who have that they need a warm meal written into their t's and c's I think it's shocking.

Let's be fair, they have a lot less stuff to carry, can easilly nip out or bring something with them and do a lot less physical work than us and leave a lot earlier.

I had a recent client meeting (for an evening wedding) where they coily broached the subject about food. I told them I don't touch the buffet and they said not to be silly and to help myself but they were a bit worried as a thread on a wedding forum about having to provide meals for the suppliers had popped up and they hadn't checked their ocntracts for this. If myself, the photographers and videographers demand a meal, that's 5 on top of the guests and potentially anythin between £125 and close to £500 banged on top of their spend. She had recently been to a wedding where the photographer had accosted the bride at the top table to ask where his meal was :rolleyes:

For evening gigs I eat before I go to gigs so being hungry isn't an issue most times. If there's an especially good looking buffet and I'm offered or someone brings me a plate then I'll get in on the action but otherwise, I won't.

Especially with wedding prices some couples are paying £5+ for a roll and bacon, I'd feel guilty about having one.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I always provide for myself, that way I know I will never go hungry or thirsty. Most jobs this just means eating an hour before leaving and then grabbing something on the way back from the gig with maybe a bag of treats for during the gig.

[STEVE HANLEY]

I think 9 times out of 10 Peter, the reason we don't get asked is because the B&G or whoever's party it is they simply forgot to tell us to dig in. I usually don't bother. However there has been one or two occasions when I've been Hank Marvin lol. A subtle hint like asking the bride or groom if the buffet was nice always does the trick;)

[musicologydisco]

I eat before i go out! But I must say that at most gigs customers invite me to help myself to the buffet. Must be polite round here! Very rarely do I get offered a drink though. Those days are long gone. It used to be the first question you were asked when you arrived at a gig.. "can I get you a drink mate?"
*sigh* the good old days!

[Shaun]

I've mentioned before that I take all my provisions with me, or eat en-route. Partly because I prefer that, and also in small part that most times nobody offers. 20 years ago it would be the majority of gigs I would be offered, but these days there seems to be a definite lack of courtesy (or they just look at the fat DJ and think "he's not gonna die if he misses a feed :d). I'd always refuse but it's nice to be offered.

[deltic]

Interesting topic Peter many moons ago it was the norm for a plate of sandwiches to be put up for the disco and some people still do.
Most of the hotels I work in I have done for a lot of years and the norm in these places is just to help yourself ie make your own coffee and eat whatever you want and this is with the managements blessing,some in particular just include you in the round when a staff member does a brew run.
Most of the hotel staff I know very well and the usual response is "you know where things are help yourself"

private functions with outside caterers it's quite rare I meet one I haven't worked with before and they tend to make sure there is something to eat.

You normal buffet style functions very rarely is nothing offered and the sit down jobs I nearly always get asked to sit and have a meal with the guests.
So on the whole things are not too bad on the food front.

Personally I always eat before setting out as I have always done,buffet food throws my digestive system into imbalance sometimes I will have a sweet and on occasion been known to tackle a hog roast.not really too keen sitting down with the guests to eat before a show,would rather eat in the back.

When I have young Einstein working for me I always make sure he gets fed usually arranged with the customer in advance and given the fact he usually has quite a bit to travel they are more than happy to feed him,even when he comes to help me with larger shows he always gets fed.

Now as a footnote a lot of my work is in the Lake District where the price of a soft drink sometimes requires a small mortgage
For this it is in my terms that the customer will supply the DJ with soft drinks when required....no one has ever complained and most of the time they just set up a tab for the dj.
Never once have I abused this...most times I only drink water but on the odd occasion when you want a coke its nice to know that it's not going to cost an arm and a leg.

[DJDC]

I take my own drinks, I won't spend my fee on the bar prices for a coke or lemonade. (although some venues don't like anyone bringing in their own drinks), I might have some food if invited but only after the guests have been up, or accept an offer of a coke if they remember, but only if I really do need it. I don't take any food on the basis I've nowhere to sit and eat it, although might take a bag or wine gums, or something similar with me.

Even on the odd event where the venue will give me drinks free, I won't abuse it one or two is the limit.

The job I did Saturday I was at the venue for 5pm, for a 7pm start, and even though there were lulls in the night as the guests arrived, for the buffet but was on my feet, behind the deck the whole time until I finished at midnight. I was at the venue for the best part of 8 hours with no way of getting food or drink unless I take my own.

So I don't think it unreasonable that clients at least offer a little hospitaility. Whilst self employed you can always try to apply ..... http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg244.pdf

Years ago our t&C always stated access to a dedicated changing room, and a proper break, with food and refreshments had to be provided by the client. I was so hungary Saturday I stopped of at 2am at McDonalds which was on the 25 mile journey home

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I always take my own drinks, but it's not always possible to arrange eating around the job in hand.

Whenever I have an all day event (not very often), I just tell them that food will be required, if that's OK with them? The last all dayer I did, they asked me if a hot meal was required or if sarnies were OK.

[BeerFunk]

The only time I ever eat anything on site is if a plate is brought to me, which is once in a blue moon. I always politely refuse, although I don't think there's any harm in accepting the offer either. I'm not a fan of most buffet food really, I only ever eat the sandwiches and salad if there is some.

I would never dream of helping myself though, that is very cheeky! :o


It's a bit galling at the end of the night to see the grub you've been a foot away from chucked into bin bags and discarded, and you were never even offered any.
Actually, this is one of the things I dislike about the job. I hate to see food wastage of any kind, it's the great shame of the Western world, but black liners full of perfectly good food is awful to see :(


It used to be the first question you were asked when you arrived at a gig.. "can I get you a drink mate?"
*sigh* the good old days!Perhaps that's a better reflection on our industry though? In terms of alcoholic drinks, maybe people are getting used to the answer of "Sorry, I'm driving", and so don't offer anymore? Just speculating, I don't really know :)


and considering the amount of photographers I hear who have that they need a warm meal written into their t's and c's I think it's shocking.

Let's be fair, they have a lot less stuff to carry, can easilly nip out or bring something with them and do a lot less physical work than us and leave a lot earlier.Whilst I fully agree that it is terrible that they've written the provision of a meal into their contract, I can't say I agree that a photographer's day is that much easier! Is that not getting into the territory of underestimating the work they do - such as many also do with us?

I don't pretend to know the day in the life of a photographer, but I've spoken to some that have started at midday and not left for home until 9/10. They can't just leave if proceedings are dragged out - they have to stay to at least the first dance of the evening.

Then again, some do have a very short, and possibly very easy day....


I think 9 times out of 10 Peter, the reason we don't get asked is because the B&G or whoever's party it is they simply forgot to tell us to dig in. I usually don't bother. However there has been one or two occasions when I've been Hank Marvin lol. A subtle hint like asking the bride or groom if the buffet was nice always does the trick;):D

Haha, that did make me laugh! Bet it works too! ;)

[STEVE HANLEY]

I never accept an alcoholic drink on the job. I always just drink pints of iced water from the bar and they don't charge:D:D I know I will have a few drinks to unwind with when I get home

[Jim - Scotland's Party DJ]

Whilst I fully agree that it is terrible that they've written the provision of a meal into their contract, I can't say I agree that a photographer's day is that much easier! Is that not getting into the territory of underestimating the work they do - such as many also do with us?

I don't pretend to know the day in the life of a photographer, but I've spoken to some that have started at midday and not left for home until 9/10. They can't just leave if proceedings are dragged out - they have to stay to at least the first dance of the evening.

Then again, some do have a very short, and possibly very easy day....



I'm maybe being a bit facetious here but in a nutshell isn't a photographers day pretty much:

LOADING: Lift camera bag, lift spare camera and lense, put in car.

DAY: Hang around, take some photos. change some lenses,

UNLOADING: Take cameras and lenses out of car, put in house


I'm not saying that they have an easy job and I appreciate that many do a lot behind the scenes like checking out the venue for the best shots, doing DVDs and albums afterwards and so on but on the actual day itself, are they really exerting themselves to the point that they "need" a warm meal provided for them?

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I'm maybe being a bit facetious here but in a nutshell isn't a photographers day pretty much:

LOADING: Lift camera bag, lift spare camera and lense, put in car.

DAY: Hang around, take some photos. change some lenses,

UNLOADING: Take cameras and lenses out of car, put in house


I'm not saying that they have an easy job and I appreciate that many do a lot behind the scenes like checking out the venue for the best shots, doing DVDs and albums afterwards and so on but on the actual day itself, are they really exerting themselves to the point that they "need" a warm meal provided for them?

I'd rather be stood still for 4/5 hours and setup/pack down kit than being on my feet from early morning to 8/9pm. The good ones don't "hang around" more like waiting in the background looking for that perfect shot. Just because they aren't taking photos doesn't mean they aren't working.

[surround sounds]

I'm maybe being a bit facetious here but in a nutshell isn't a photographers day pretty much:

LOADING: Lift camera bag, lift spare camera and lense, put in car.

DAY: Hang around, take some photos. change some lenses,

UNLOADING: Take cameras and lenses out of car, put in house


I'm not saying that they have an easy job and I appreciate that many do a lot behind the scenes like checking out the venue for the best shots, doing DVDs and albums afterwards and so on but on the actual day itself, are they really exerting themselves to the point that they "need" a warm meal provided for them?

I have done a few photography jobs and believe me its a long day.i simple 8 hour photography for wedding normally means arojnd 24 hours with editing, printing etc. I prefer to do the disco than the photography any day

[DazzyD]

I can't remember the last time I accepted food or drink at a gig (maybe that's just my memory, though!). Mind you, the last six or seven gigs I've done where there's been a buffet the client has offered. Like has been said, it's always nice to be offered! :)


I take my own drinks, I won't spend my fee on the bar prices for a coke or lemonade. (although some venues don't like anyone bringing in their own drinks), I might have some food if invited but only after the guests have been up, or accept an offer of a coke if they remember, but only if I really do need it. I don't take any food on the basis I've nowhere to sit and eat it, although might take a bag or wine gums, or something similar with me.

Even on the odd event where the venue will give me drinks free, I won't abuse it one or two is the limit.

The job I did Saturday I was at the venue for 5pm, for a 7pm start, and even though there were lulls in the night as the guests arrived, for the buffet but was on my feet, behind the deck the whole time until I finished at midnight. I was at the venue for the best part of 8 hours with no way of getting food or drink unless I take my own.

So I don't think it unreasonable that clients at least offer a little hospitaility. Whilst self employed you can always try to apply ..... http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg244.pdf

Years ago our t&C always stated access to a dedicated changing room, and a proper break, with food and refreshments had to be provided by the client. I was so hungary Saturday I stopped of at 2am at McDonalds which was on the 25 mile journey home

The way I see this, though, is that the venue is our workplace. We're not there to be making money for the venue we're there to provide a service. The way I see it is that I am there to make money and not spend it. And I've never had a problem with a venue saying I can't use my own drinks there. Maybe I've just been lucky.

As for the HSE guidelines, well, maybe if the venue is the employer/contractor. Not sure that a venue had to provide these facilities for something they aren't connected with through employment.


I'd rather be stood still for 4/5 hours and setup/pack down kit than being on my feet from early morning to 8/9pm. The good ones don't "hang around" more like waiting in the background looking for that perfect shot. Just because they aren't taking photos doesn't mean they aren't working.

Can't fault that argument!

[funkymook]

I take the view that if it's OK for bands, togs etc to be fed and watered it's also OK for me - obviously that doesn't override good manners and discretion on my part but I see no reason to consider myself lower in the pecking order than any other supplier.

[JAMdisco]

I'm maybe being a bit facetious here but in a nutshell isn't a photographers day pretty much:

LOADING: Lift camera bag, lift spare camera and lense, put in car.

DAY: Hang around, take some photos. change some lenses,

UNLOADING: Take cameras and lenses out of car, put in house


I'm not saying that they have an easy job and I appreciate that many do a lot behind the scenes like checking out the venue for the best shots, doing DVDs and albums afterwards and so on but on the actual day itself, are they really exerting themselves to the point that they "need" a warm meal provided for them?

Sorry but you are talking complete crap here!!!

Have you ever done a FULL day of photography work, if the B&G want a 'storyboard' type wedding album, you need to be taking a lot of photo's usually starting at the brides house/salon for the bride preparation pics - you could easily be talking a 12 hour+ day here, and then there's the backing up when you get home, and then the weeks worth of post processing, yes a photographer could 'nip out' for a bite, but as you are almost 'on-call' all day it's a hard one to call - also what if it's in some little country village on a Sunday where no shops are open?

Back on-topic, I never ask for food and definitely not join the buffet queue uninvited :eek: but if I am asked, I will usually grab something small to nibble on. As for drinks, yep I'll always accept that offer :)

[Jim - Scotland's Party DJ]

Sorry but you are talking complete crap here!!!

Have you ever done a FULL day of photography work, if the B&G want a 'storyboard' type wedding album, you need to be taking a lot of photo's usually starting at the brides house/salon for the bride preparation pics - you could easily be talking a 12 hour+ day here, and then there's the backing up when you get home, and then the weeks worth of post processing, yes a photographer could 'nip out' for a bite, but as you are almost 'on-call' all day it's a hard one to call - also what if it's in some little country village on a Sunday where no shops are open?



Hence why I said I was being facetious and only referring to the wedding day itself. A photographer spending hours in their house or office working on photos after an event is irrelevant for what we're discussing.

I was fed on Saturday and all in it worked out at not far short of a 15 hour day but I'd never have demanded to be fed and if I was somewhere that getting food was going to be an issue, I would have made sure I took my own.

My issue isn't with photographers, it's with any supplier that demands to be fed, watered or given board in their t&c's and it just so happens that the main time you hear about this happening is photographers and videographers. It might be different in your neck of the woods.

[Shaun]

yes a photographer could 'nip out' for a bite, but as you are almost 'on-call' all day it's a hard one to call - also what if it's in some little country village on a Sunday where no shops are open?



....Or they could stop of at the services on the way and buy a pre-packed sandwich like some of us do. :p



My issue isn't with photographers, it's with any supplier that demands to be fed, watered or given board in their t&c's

I don't have any issue with some asking for it, it just isn't for me though. And I find it a little cheeky, but that's just a personal thing.

[Excalibur]

I take the view that if it's OK for bands, togs etc to be fed and watered it's also OK for me - obviously that doesn't override good manners and discretion on my part
Amen Brother, Amen.
Sadly, however:


but I see no reason to consider myself lower in the pecking order than any other supplier.
You don't, I don't, most of this forum don't, but customers......................................... ..................................


My issue isn't with photographers, it's with any supplier that demands to be fed, watered or given board in their t&c's and it just so happens that the main time you hear about this happening is photographers and videographers. It might be different in your neck of the woods.

I don't like the word "demand", but if it's a condition stated upfront in the quote/contract/invoice, that's fair enough. I don't think anyone could quibble at a reasonable request for some form of refreshment, but the stipulation of two crates of brown ale and a chicken vindaloo may push the boundaries more than somewhat. :D

Martin's caveat above takes precedence at all times. Good manners and discretion. My customers may not display such qualities, but I certainly try to. That includes not wandering up and requesting food and drink, nor innocently "jogging their memory " in this respect.

[funkymook]

I think it's quite simple really - if you begrudge seeing other suppliers getting fed and watered then it's down to you to do something about it rather than suffering in silence, but if you don't feel right going to the buffet or having food provided for you at a gig then you decline it.

[Excalibur]

I think it's quite simple really - if you begrudge seeing other suppliers getting fed and watered then it's down to you to do something about it rather than suffering in silence, but if you don't feel right going to the buffet or having food provided for you at a gig then you decline it.

I don't begrudge them at all. That's their business. Good luck to them. As for me, if it's offered to me, I'm very likely to accept it gratefully, but unlikely to put it into my T&C's as a stipulation. I'm even less likely to dive unbidden into the buffet, or start dropping veiled hints in the hope of eliciting an inyitation to partake. That's my stance, I don't claim it's the only correct one, but it's the one I follow.

[funkymook]

But I always take a bit of food with me anyway, just in case (talking about all day bookings here) - so on that tack, what do people take with them to nibble at?

My self catering back-up of choice is falafels, jelly babies and a snickers!

[yourdj]

Dot see why a client should feed us?
I definitely don't see it being rude as its their party for their guests, which does not include the suppliers.
i do get miffed when really nice food gets binned though as its a complete waste!!

i often watch bands queing up with the other guests and think that they are being rude.
One folk band the other day ordered sandwiches (at £12 a pop) drank all night and then helped them selves to the buffet.
It was a £80 tab and they then refused to pay it and went home!! I was gobsmacked.

Even on all days (12 hours often) I bring a preprepared pasta meal and/or sandwich. Costs very little to make.
For evenings I eat before I leave and don't get hungry till I get back.

On the odd occasion I get offered food on an all day (when I am pretty much doing nothing while they are easting) I get a member of staff to collect it and eat it elsewhere. Occasionally will eat a hogroast sandwich etc. on an evening but thats rare.
Always pay for drinks myself at the bar.

I charge a decent fee and don't expect a client to pay extra on me unless they want too on their decision. :)

[Excalibur]

My self catering back-up of choice is falafels, jelly babies and a snickers!
Gordon Bennett! On the day I'm referring to, I raided Tesco ( other supermarkets are vailable ) on the way out, and got a box of cereal bars, a box of yogurt covered bars, and bottles of water.


Don't see why a client should feed us?

Courtesy Toby, courtesy.

I charge a decent fee and don't expect a client to pay extra on me unless they want too on their decision. :)
I love that Toby. Henceforth I shall alter my fees accordingly. £x if fed and watered during the function, or £x+100 if not. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[addoaddo]

It depends on the function. If it is a corporate function with set-up all afternoon it is in the contact to supply meals for x people. This is never a problem and the hotel supplied "crew" meals which always seems to be lasagne.

For a private function / wedding if I am just doing an evening disco I would not be expected to receive food as I would eat beforehand. However I have often nibbled at the buffet at the end of the night before it is cleared away.

At the local 4* hotel where I am often employed directly by the hotel I can use the staff canteen to have a “staff” meal.

For all way functions I would expect to be fed. I actually think it is more professional to act the same as other "skilled" people working at the event, the band is fed, the photographer is fed, the catering staff are fed, the toastmaster is fed. Saying that you will bring in your own sandwiches implies that you are not a professional.

I would never expect a “four” course meal as served to the guests.

Of course this does vary between events, generally I find that for events I charge more for give you better service. If someone is booking at a low price do not expect anything else.

As for drinks I always drink iced water as this is free. If a customer insist of buying me a drink I just have coke as often they feel slightly offended if you do not accept a drink.
As with most professional DJ I do not drink alcohol when working

[yourdj]

Nah still dont think they are being rude or not courteous. Especially at weddings as often they will be so stressed about the day your stomach is the last thing on thier mind.


Saying that you will bring in your own sandwiches implies that you are not a professional.

You would be unprofessional not too as even at all day functions when the client has said I have food I have found I have not (especially in marquees). i would have got very hungry if I had not brought some food which would have affected my work.

I usually keep a back up supply of food in the car just incase.

Damn i need to add that to my promobile article (ita about back up) ;)

[funkymook]

It's not so much why should they feed the Dj but more that other suppliers are catered for but the DJ is often forgotten about, and we're usually onsite longest for all day events. If no one was getting any food then I'd agree we shouldn't expect it, but when they do and we're left out then I think there's something wrong in how we're perceived compared to the other professionals (bands, togs) who are offered food.

[DeckstarDeluxe]

But I always take a bit of food with me anyway, just in case (talking about all day bookings here) - so on that tack, what do people take with them to nibble at?

My self catering back-up of choice is falafels, jelly babies and a snickers!

Tangtastics, gum and water.

Its a regular diet that has enabled me to keep this figure :)

[Jonny Boy]

I think there is a perception about energy expended over the course of the gig which also influences whether the client will think to offer/order food.
Live performers are "seen" more, & by and large move about more in their (albeit often shorter) performances. People are also vastly used to expecting riders. (Sweeping generalisation there, I know.)

I notice markedly that if I'm singing then there is a greater likelihood of a provision (eg paid-for plate), an offer (to join the
buffet) or an open tab at the bar than if I'm "only" DJing - without me even hinting/asking for it. Last weekend the organiser was suprised when I didn't order beer on his tab. (Although I think this is more indicative of the standard of acts they normally get sent.)

It's also strange how it's generally perceived as more acceptable for live performers to have an alcoholic drink that it is for DJs. Not sure why that is.

Personally I find that a live performance (this incudes acting as Master of Ceremonies) is more physically tiring than standing behind the booth like my simpler DJ-only gigs require. I am more hungary afterwards.

On the flip side, I find a whole night purely DJing is more mentally tiring - I always feel more exhausted after a DJ-only night.
Perhaps I should write 'supply of cans of Monster' into my Ts&Cs? LOL.

[Excalibur]

Damn i need to add that to my promobile article (ita about back up) ;)
Stick a spellchecker on there as well, there's a good lad. ;):D:D


If no one was getting any food then I'd agree we shouldn't expect it, but when they do and we're left out then I think there's something wrong in how we're perceived compared to the other professionals (bands, togs) who are offered food.
Blimey Sherlock, nothing gets past you, does it? :D:D
I mourn the passing of the good old days, such as when I was working with a Caribbean Steel Band, from an island near Leeds. Before we started, the host took us all to one side, and told us: " Now I know you're here to work, but as far as I'm concerned, you're guests. You want a drink, you get a drink. You want food, you get some food, just like the rest of them. " Happy days. :)
I also fondly remember the time when I did a string of gigs for a pub where the Publican had nearly been killed in a terrible car crash. He used to use them as fundraisers for the people who had saved him. He was a bit of a character. In the days when excessive alcohol intake was an accepted part of doing a disco, I'd run up a tab of many pints of guinness. When I attempted to pay it at the end of the night, he refused my money.
A slightly embarrassing time was at one gig when we had a barbecue, and as I'd been told to get some, I was discreetly tagging onto the end of the queue. A sneaking suspicion crossed my mind, as I watched the landlord piling meat onto a plate. in stentorian tones, he asked- " Where's that :Censored:DJ? There's a plate here for him, but he can get his own :Censored: salad" :o Sometimes, I really miss those days.


It's also strange how it's generally perceived as more acceptable for live performers to have an alcoholic drink that it is for DJs. Not sure why that is.

You surely don't expect me to answer that, do you? :whistle: Let's settle for there's usually more than one of them, so the driver stays sober. That's the nicest reason I can come up with. :D:D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

It depends on the function. If it is a corporate function with set-up all afternoon it is in the contact to supply meals for x people. This is never a problem and the hotel supplied "crew" meals which always seems to be lasagne.

For a private function / wedding if I am just doing an evening disco I would not be expected to receive food as I would eat beforehand. However I have often nibbled at the buffet at the end of the night before it is cleared away.

At the local 4* hotel where I am often employed directly by the hotel I can use the staff canteen to have a “staff” meal.

For all way functions I would expect to be fed. I actually think it is more professional to act the same as other "skilled" people working at the event, the band is fed, the photographer is fed, the catering staff are fed, the toastmaster is fed. Saying that you will bring in your own sandwiches implies that you are not a professional.

I would never expect a “four” course meal as served to the guests.

Of course this does vary between events, generally I find that for events I charge more for give you better service. If someone is booking at a low price do not expect anything else.

As for drinks I always drink iced water as this is free. If a customer insist of buying me a drink I just have coke as often they feel slightly offended if you do not accept a drink.
As with most professional DJ I do not drink alcohol when working


Very good post and one that shows experience and common sense.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

It's not so much why should they feed the Dj but more that other suppliers are catered for but the DJ is often forgotten about, and we're usually onsite longest for all day events. If no one was getting any food then I'd agree we shouldn't expect it, but when they do and we're left out then I think there's something wrong in how we're perceived compared to the other professionals (bands, togs) who are offered food.

Agreed...

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I personally make sure that I have eaten during the day and well before I am due to go out.
I'm not that bothered about getting hungry. I drink water or lime & soda at functions and if I am offered a drink I will politely refuse.
With reference to being fed - If it's an all day booking I still wouldn't and don't expect to be offered although 9 times out of 10 it IS offered. I don't do many all day bookings but I would take something with me as I don't automatically expect to be offered.

With reference to the comment about the better the booking is, the more chance there is of being offered food, I'd have to disagree with that personally speaking.
I have done some very well paid bookings in some very nice establishments and not had anything offered yet a low budget village hall booking where they have done the buffet themselves and they've bought plates of food over to me. Not always the case but that's what has happened over the years.

One of the things I really don't like (and it may be paranoia) is thinking that some of the guests are turning their noses up at the DJ going to get food from the buffet. The customers may well have said that it's ok to help yourself but the guests don't know that do they? Not that it matters if the customer has said it's ok, maybe it's just me but I don't like it.

At the end of the day, a normal 4.5hr booking I look at like this.
Generally if you were doing a 9 - 5 job you'd have a lunch break after 4 hours or something. Make sure you've eaten before you start the booking. At the end of the night in theory it would be your 'lunch break'. Everyone has their own ideas (obviously) just do what suits you. If you have it in your Terms & Conditions that you need to be supplied with food for certain functions then fair enough, it's just not for me.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Gary, I used to think a bit like you, but trust me, the guests don't give a toss whether you are eating from the buffet or not. :)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

You would'nt think so sometimes though would you on the rare occasion that you decide "Oh, that sausage roll has my name on it and they did say I could have what I want".
To be honest, I just feel uncomfortable doing it.
Last week I was in Fareham for an 80s gig at a private residence. The customers were really nice and couldn't have been more welcoming. They actually asked me if I wanted to join them for the BBQ and just let the music play for 20 minutes or something. I politely declined.
At the end of the night they were clearing the food away and there were loads of sausages and chicken etc. I was actually hungry by now and just before I started packing down I reluctantly went over to the food and grabbed a sausage (ooer!). I felt really uncomfortable at the time and the lady came over and said "Have you not eaten??".
I ended up taking a carrier bag full of sausages and chicken legs home for my dogs who loved it (I did have the odd sausage though on the drive home!).

[Larry B Entertainment]

I always eat now before going out on a job and prepare a tasty snack for when I get home.

If im offered some buffet, I will have a little bit even if I am not that hungry.
I always take my own drinks now. It works out expensive to buy at some venues. I dont look wasting profit where I dont need to :o

[Jim - Scotland's Party DJ]

This has just reminded me of a convo I had with a mate in a wedding band (a very well regarded one at that) a few weeks back.

He had a gig on so missed the Carl Froch fight. When I asked him how the gig was he said "It was OK but I ended up with the short straw to drive and there was a free bar so I could only have 3 pints over the night."

Apart from the fact Id never even have 1 at a wedding never mind 3, if the designated driver is digging into 3 pints, what are the rest of the band downing? With your average wedding venue pint costing £4+ that's a lot of dough for the band to be tagging onto the bill.

[ukpartydj]

With reference to the comment about the better the booking is, the more chance there is of being offered food, I'd have to disagree with that personally speaking.
I have done some very well paid bookings in some very nice establishments and not had anything offered yet a low budget village hall booking where they have done the buffet themselves and they've bought plates of food over to me. Not always the case but that's what has happened over the years.

I've not noticed any divide to be honest ... I've done a party where I was asked to sit down at a table for a 3 course meal with the guests, offered champagne and a guest room to sleep for the night so I didn't have to pack away the same night... I've also done ones where they've literally said you're over there, dictated exactly what they specifically wanted and generally treated me like a piece of :Censored:.
Both from equally "posh" people.

I used to get really annoyed when people didn't offer me any food when the photographer/other suppliers were - I don't expect it now, so I'm not bothered anymore!
I'd love to see somebody actually enforcing the "I need food provided" rule in their contracts...

"If I'm not fed before the end of pretty green eyes then I will play my very own rendition of delerium's 1999 classic trance track" ... (silence)

[bmdj]

I've always said I never go to get food unless asked, but recently I do find I've not been asked. I believe that it s all dependant on the people. I have to confess the last job I did I was bloody starving, having had a busy day with the family didn't get chance to grab a bite before heading out at night. It was a golden wedding and after the lady told me " I don't do dancing" I was faced with a very poor crowd; as it turned out no one else did dancing either! So I broke the rule, sneaked up to the buffet after it had been plundered and scoffed half a small pork pie although I did feel like some urchin from a Dickens novel! As it turned out, the couple thanked me and said the music was great ( 50s 60s 70s)and just the right level.
So still feeling even more guilty, I popped in to McDonald's for a late night snack.
There has been some venues I wouldn't touch the grub, having over heard staff saying it had been out since the morning, sweating away in a hot function room! Mmmmm!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

There has been some venues I wouldn't touch the grub, having over heard staff saying it had been out since the morning, sweating away in a hot function room! Mmmmm!

Which in itself is very dodgy and unless they have signed a disclaimer, food can only be left out for 2 hours I believe.

I did a photo booth for a staff celebration day on Wednesday this week and emailed the Hotel to see if it was OK to get something to eat and they asked me to choose off the menu! I had a club sandwich and chips which was very nice. I nearly took a picture and posted it on here for Peter's benefit...;)

[Vectis]

I did a photo booth for a staff celebration day on Wednesday this week and emailed the Hotel to see if it was OK to get something to eat and they asked me to choose off the menu! I had a club sandwich and chips which was very nice. I nearly took a picture and posted it on here for Peter's benefit...;)


... just wait until they knock £30 off the invoice ;)

[alphawave]

As a rule i don't eat buffet food....seen far to many people coughing all over the table then touching the food!!
Also avoid hog roast due to "greasy cheese burger hands" makes my job hard.....But never really get asked to help myself to food anyway...
But often get asked if i want a drink while i set up,so i say yes but once i am all set up and ready,i never hear back........

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Would you believe it, I have 2 weddings at one of my out of town residencies next week and just yesterday I had emails from the customers asking me if there was anything in particular that I'd like to eat.

I still won't though as I don't trust my ever so delicate stomach. It's just not worth chancing it.

[Excalibur]

I had a club sandwich and chips which was very nice. I nearly took a picture and posted it on here for Peter's benefit...;)
"To them that hath, it shall be given".

(Sigh) It was ever thus. :(

[Parkboy]

Tangtastics, gum and water.

Its a regular diet that has enabled me to keep this figure :)

Slightly off topic, but does anyone think chewing gum throughout the evening is not professional, i'm not inferring that Neil does this but watching Fergie chew through 90 minutes is a bit off putting. ;)

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I don't think so.
I have chewing gum but I don't make it obvious that I am chewing if that makes sense.

[Corabar Entertainment]

I was reading a wedding forum a few weeks ago and there was a thread about providing suppliers with food.

Some had TOGs where it was in their T&Cs, some didn't, but most didn't know whether it was in any suppliers T&Cs or not.

A few people said it was only fair to provide food for any suppliers who would be around for a long time, but the majority expressed the opinion "We're already paying them a tidy whack... why the hell should we buy their food and drink at hotel inflated prices as well? They can make their own arrangements."

[yourdj]

A few people said it was only fair to provide food for any suppliers who would be around for a long time, but the majority expressed the opinion "We're already paying them a tidy whack... why the hell should we buy their food and drink at hotel inflated prices as well? They can make their own arrangements."

:agree: Unless previously told that I have food for an all day then i will bring my own pasta or something.
Evening gigs I just eat before I leave ;)


Slightly off topic, but does anyone think chewing gum throughout the evening is not professional, i'm not inferring that Neil does this but watching Fergie chew through 90 minutes is a bit off putting. ;)

I am not sure why but i HATE people chewing gum (especially with their mouth open).
Girls chewing gum is an instant turn off.

Probably just me :)

[yourdj]

can someone tell me how to delete a post??

[Excalibur]

"We're already paying them a tidy whack... why the hell should we buy their food and drink at hotel inflated prices as well? They can make their own arrangements."
And to think part of the heading of this thread was "Lack of courtesy". :whistle:


Compare and contrast Next Saturday's bride ( who in all other areas has been a total pain ):


Thats great Pete and stay for the day if you want to, we promise not to make you work until 7pm (apart from the half hour piped music) and we'll feed you too!!


We've just heard from the band and they are not set up for piped music so I've attached the wedding script so you can see where the music will fit into the ceremony.

She'd better be nice when I arrive, or she could be walking down the aisle to "Send in the clowns", or "Entry of the Gladiators" :D:D

[paul1404]

Mmmm dont bother me really - In my normal day job my boss dont buy me lunch everyday - Gigs only last 5 hrs and I usually have a bit of munch b4 I get there - somtimes get a burger on the way back
I find some offer some dont - I dont think its ignorance at all - Organisors are usually stressing about other things b4 the gig - ( who will turn up etc etc) - Its usually the last thing on their mind - worrying weather the Dj you just paid £250 wants some pork pies or not,

after a few beers people also forget - Ive never ever come across a client whom has denied me a plate of sausage rolls n pringles
I do this gig for the masons and they get the chef to cook me steak n chips when they all eat - Masons gigs are great if anyone gets them ;)

[Corabar Entertainment]

can someone tell me how to delete a post??
You can't. (Changed that many years ago when someone threw their toys out of their pram and went around deleted loads of old posts, making a nonsense of useful threads).


Gigs only last 5 hrs Many on here do all-day gigs, and, especially with loading/unloading/set-up/break-down, there can be some VERY long days. We did our longest one ever last month (more than DJing involved): started loading the van up between 8 & 8:30am. I got home at around 4:30am (Steve didn't finish unloading until nearly 6:00am, but he did stop for a little sleep on the way back - even though it wasn't that far... it would just have been too dangerous to carry on because he was too tired)

[yourdj]

can you add an option that lets you do it up to ten mins or something?


We did our longest one ever last month (more than DJing involved): started loading the van up between 8 & 8:30am. I got home at around 4:30am (Steve didn't finish unloading until nearly 6:00am,

That is a long day. :)

I am lucky as most my venues are 11pm or 12 finish so even with an 11am ceremony is about 12 hours.
Its the marquee all days on private land that kill you as they have late finishes.

[Excalibur]

can you add an option that lets you do it up to ten mins or something?
Best course of action is to contact one of the many and various Mods or Admin, and ask them to delete or edit your errant post for you.



I am lucky as most my venues are 11pm or 12 finish so even with an 11am ceremony is about 12 hours.
Its the marquee all days on private land that kill you as they have late finishes.

You don't even need a late finish for a long day, Toby. Saturday's gig for Twinspin and I saw me away from home for fourteen hours, and John for twelve, and it was 7.30 start.

I've got in in November which is an 8pm start, midnight finish, and I'll be away from home for probably fifteen hours.

[Jonathan Ford]

Slightly off topic, but does anyone think chewing gum throughout the evening is not professional, i'm not inferring that Neil does this but watching Fergie chew through 90 minutes is a bit off putting. ;)

I prefer mints, but if it's a choice between being whiffy or not....I choose the gum!

[Corabar Steve]

Off topic I know, but being as 2 site staff have been on this thread since & not commented on it :p , I'll remind members that text speak is not permitteded on this forum & may cause the entire post to be deleted without notice. :rolleyes:

Read your posts folks. If it was you, don't do it again! :Naughty:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Slightly off topic, but does anyone think chewing gum throughout the evening is not professional,

Yeah, really unprofessional....:rolleyes::zip:

[Corabar Steve]

Yeah, really unprofessional....:rolleyes::zip::lol:

[Parkboy]

Yeah, really unprofessional....:rolleyes::zip:

I was expecting a response along those lines, I just thought "everything matters" and chewing gum throughout your performance and while you are speaking may not be the best look. I'll :zip: it now ;).

[SamV]

I always pack my own sarnie and crisps etc. That way if they offer food then great, I have a pick me up at 2am. If they don't then I don't starve.

As a client, if a professional was expecting to be fed, I'd be expecting a discount along the same lines.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I was expecting a response along those lines, I just thought "everything matters" and chewing gum throughout your performance and while you are speaking may not be the best look. I'll :zip: it now ;).

You're probably right, but it's hardly 'unprofessional'...

I always chew gum, but don't do it with my mouth open and I certainly don't chew when I am making announcements.

Honestly, everything does matter, but chewing gum, accepting a drink and having a plate of food when invited? It hardly makes you unprofessional....

[Excalibur]

Honestly, everything does matter, but chewing gum, accepting a drink and having a plate of food when invited? It hardly makes you unprofessional....

Correct, but to quote Three Wise Men* - " It ain't what you do, (it's the way that you do it) ".











* And some young ladies as well, apparently. Linky (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001I1CJZ4/ref=dm_dp_trk8)

[DazzyD]

I was watching a live performance by Meatloaf where he was backed by some big orchestra and he was chewing gum throughout the show. How very unprofessional of him!! ;)

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I always take out my gum when using the mic, I think having bad breath is much worse than to be seen "chewing"

[SamV]

I tend to chew on a massive chicken leg while presenting to the audience :rolleyes:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I always take out my gum when using the mic, I think have bad breath is much worse than to be seen "chewing"

My chewing gum comes way back from when I used to smoke and didn't want to smell of fags (though I'm sure I did in hindsight!) and it just carried on.

[Javlingames]

My chewing gum comes way back from when I used to smoke and didn't want to smell of fags (though I'm sure I did in hindsight!) and it just carried on.

I cant chew and use the mic, I learnt this by talking on the mic and then accidentally spitting my gum on to the person dancing in front of the decks one night. I think she thought my tooth had fallen out!!

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I'm glad I'm not the only one then that sees absolutely nothing wrong with chewing gum.
As I said, if you don't make it obvious then what's the problem?

I'd say that having a plate of grub behind the decks and picking at it whilst working was worse if it can't be done discreetly.
I've been at a function before where the DJ was scoffing on a hog roast burger in full view of everyone. Maybe it's because I am in the same trade that I thought more about it but my instant thought was that it looked unprofessional. Did anyone else care though? Who knows?

[DeckstarDeluxe]

I'm glad I'm not the only one then that sees absolutely nothing wrong with chewing gum.
As I said, if you don't make it obvious then what's the problem?

I'd say that having a plate of grub behind the decks and picking at it whilst working was worse if it can't be done discreetly.
I've been at a function before where the DJ was scoffing on a hog roast burger in full view of everyone. Maybe it's because I am in the same trade that I thought more about it but my instant thought was that it looked unprofessional. Did anyone else care though? Who knows?

I'm the same. I personally try and avoid eating at gigs and if I do always try and do it away from view and certainly not behind the decks. I know most people won't batter an eyelid but something I'm conscious of.


My chewing gum comes way back from when I used to smoke and didn't want to smell of fags (though I'm sure I did in hindsight!) and it just carried on.

I use to do it back in the days I lived on energy drinks and hated the feel of sugar on my teeth. Now I only drink water at gigs but again like you its just carried on more as of a habit really.

[BeerFunk]

Chewing gum now?! :D

Nothing wrong with it in my book, although it depends on the gig I suppose. It might look bad if everyone is dressed up to the 9s in a classy venue, but even then, it's not so bad :)

[Excalibur]

I'm glad I'm not the only one then that sees absolutely nothing wrong with chewing gum.


And for my part, were I a customer, I would regard it as impolite and distasteful. Standing behind the decks chomping on a plate of food, no problem, especially if I'd offered it. ( If I hadn't, I'd regard it as an oversight on my part )

Each to his own, eh? :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

And for my part, were I a customer, I would regard it as impolite and distasteful.

Are you honestly saying that you would notice a single person chewing gum at a function? Come on....most people don't notice what music the DJ is playing let alone noticing things like that.

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Remember this day Peter as it's possibly a rarity because we're going to have to agree to disagree.

[yourdj]

I think having bad breath is much worse than to be seen "chewing"

I usually use mouthwash its pretty darn effective at killing bacteria (ie smelly breath) :)
I usually have a bottle in the car.
Listerene is hardcore and lasts for ages assuming you don't have hallytosis
Only one mouth full at the start of the night works assuming your not eating, taking smoking breaks and kissing foul breathed ladies :lol:

[Excalibur]

Are you honestly saying that you would notice a single person chewing gum at a function? Come on....most people don't notice what music the DJ is playing let alone noticing things like that.

Ah yes. But have you learnt nothing in my time here? :confused: I am not "most people". :D

Seriously, I think it's an age thing. I think it gives an impression of laziness and disinterest. Younger folk may not. So be it.
Gary, I never believe that my views are the only correct ones. We disagree. I can live with that. No problem. :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Ah yes. But have you learnt nothing in my time here? :confused: I am not "most people". :D

Seriously, I think it's an age thing. I think it gives an impression of laziness and disinterest. Younger folk may not. So be it.
Gary, I never believe that my views are the only correct ones. We disagree. I can live with that. No problem. :)

I can live with it too, but you appear to want to justify it by saying it's an age thing...and I disagree with that too.

So, I go into my 5 * venues not creating a good impression of a professional and trying to raise the bar, but by chewing gum I bring it all down again and create the impression of laziness and disinterest.

I have learnt a lot about you in here Peter and mostly that very occasionally you talk complete :Censored::Censored::Censored::Censored::Censored: :Censored::Censored::Censored:! :D:D:D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Funnily enough, last night I was well looked after by the staff at a venue I hadn't worked at before. I was offered drinks, a hand with my equipment and even got a tomato and mozzarella salad and the offer of a dessert. I was there for 2.5 hours doing a quiz.


And I was chewing gum....

They obviously thought I gave the impression of disinterest after the massive round of applause and great feedback I received. :rolleyes:

[yourdj]

after the massive round of applause and great feedback I received. :rolleyes:

You deserve it Darren. You can be a grumpy git sometimes but you run a great business and have lots of experience.
Not forgetting setting this forum up too - which still remains the best one IMO - amongst the various social network groups too.

Got a 12 hour gig in 10 hours at a newish venue and they have supplied a sandwich from the menu as I had a meeting with the clients/managers today. Only 5 mins away from me which is excellent. Did one there 2 weeks ago and the food is excellent. Bloody annoying though as there was a buffet of the same standard sandwiches (loads were left) and they were binned!!

No problem if they had not paid for food (as this is a served meal) - takes 10 mins to cook a tuppaware box of pasta and other scrummy extras. :) Even better my girlfriend loves cooking me food to go to gigs too. she wont even let me do it.

Big bottle of listerene in the car too ;)

[Excalibur]

I have learnt a lot about you in here Peter and mostly that very occasionally you talk complete :Censored::Censored::Censored::Censored::Censored: :Censored::Censored::Censored:! :D:D:D
Mayhap, but you must concede that it is always indubitably erudite, germane, beautifully presented, superbly written, grammatically correct utter :Censored::Censored::Censored::Censored::Censored: :Censored::Censored::Censored:


Funnily enough, last night I was well looked after by the staff at a venue I hadn't worked at before. I was offered drinks, a hand with my equipment and even got a tomato and mozzarella salad and the offer of a dessert. I was there for 2.5 hours doing a quiz.


And I was chewing gum....

Well then, just think what a reception you'd have got if you hadn't been! Standing ovation, probably, at the very least. :D:D


You deserve it Darren. You can be a grumpy git sometimes


Hmmm, Toby, I'm inclined to question whether this state of mind you attribute to our beloved leader is indeed sporadic. There are those ( not me of course, heaven forfend :eek: ) who would avow this to be a semi permanent state of affairs. At least you declined to use the epithet "old" when describing him, for it appears that as a lifelong masticator ( no folks, it's the right word. Google it ;):D:D ) this places him firmly in the ranks of callow youth.


Big bottle of listerene in the car too ;)
"Hello. My name is Toby, and I have a problem." I can just visualise you standing up at the meeting of Listerine Anonymous Toby. :D:D:D And of curse, always remember to spit, not swallow. If I remember right, there's alcohol in it.
Seriously Toby, good tip. I shall implement this advice imminently. Thanks.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Peter... I'd definitely dispute the 'age' thing too about chewing gum: it was my mother who introduced me to chewing gum. She used to chew quite a lot, and I'm pretty sure she's older than you and Darren :-P

Surely whether you're taking about eating from the buffet, chewing gum, or a multitude of other things too.... it depends on how you do it. You don't have to chew gum with your mouth open making loads of 'squidgy' noises. If you're just chewing subtly with your mouth closed, I really can't imaging that anyone would even notice.

[BeerFunk]

Peter... I'd definitely dispute the 'age' thing too about chewing gum: it was my mother who introduced me to chewing gum. She used to chew quite a lot, and I'm pretty sure she's older than you and Darren :-PI'd agree with that, and from my perspective there are less people chewing gum these days anyway (the facts may well state otherwise).

Does it not stem from the boom of rock and roll in the 50s and 60s, and fashions carried over from our American cousins? I'd say that in those days, chewing gum was definitely popular with the 'rebellious' teenagers. But now? It's just something everybody does, regardless of age. Just look at Sir Alex Ferguson - he is famous for it.

And of course, people also chew gum if they're quitting smoking, or to keep their breath smelling fresh. Both well known and accepted practices.


Surely whether you're taking about eating from the buffet, chewing gum, or a multitude of other things too.... it depends on how you do it. You don't have to chew gum with your mouth open making loads of 'squidgy' noises. If you're just chewing subtly with your mouth closed, I really can't imaging that anyone would even notice.I think that's a very good point, I don't think you'd make it that obvious when conversing with the client, for example - but the rest of the time noone will notice. And if they did, I doubt they'd think twice about it.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Peter... I'd definitely dispute the 'age' thing too about chewing gum: it was my mother who introduced me to chewing gum. She used to chew quite a lot, and I'm pretty sure she's older than you and Darren :-P

Surely whether you're taking about eating from the buffet, chewing gum, or a multitude of other things too.... it depends on how you do it. You don't have to chew gum with your mouth open making loads of 'squidgy' noises. If you're just chewing subtly with your mouth closed, I really can't imaging that anyone would even notice.

Agreed, though Peter obviously goes round the room checking for the slightest mouth movement on every guest...:rolleyes:

And Peter, if you want to have a pop at me, then please do it in plain English and not the waffle you use...

[ukpartydj]

please do it in plain English and not the waffle you use...

I find said waffle quite ineffable!

[Excalibur]

And Peter, if you want to have a pop at me, then please do it in plain English and not the waffle you use...

I would never "have a pop" at anyone in the public forum, in whatever kind of language. Sorry.