wiring a vintage Citronic Hawaii MK1 power lead plug.

[true blue]

Hello everyone,

I am new here and have a question.

I have recieved a vintage Citronic Hawaii MK1 DJ console that is I believe from the early 1980's.
It has been stored in a clean dry place.
It is missing its power lead.

I have managed to find out from Bulgin that it needed a Bulgin SA 2111 22mm power plug.
I have found one of those but I need to know how it would be wired.

Does it need special cable? Would heavy duty domestic cable be okay?
If it is 3 core cable what colours go to each terminal?

I would be grateful for any help with what might seem to be a simple thing but I do not want to get things wrong and blow something as it would be so hard to get it repaired.
At this time I do not even know if it will power up let alone work.

Thanks all,
Dave.

[Excalibur]

Hello David. Welcome along to the forum. If I could ask you to pop across to the Newbies section, and introduce yourself, that would be helpful, as we're a nosey bunch, and like to know a bit about who we're typing to. Thanks.


Re your power question, I don't know, but I bet I know a man who does. I'll give him a nudge, and point him in this direction.

[Mattysounds]

18653

Hello there, this should help you with it, let me know how you get on.
Many thanks
Matthew

[Excalibur]

Thank you for that, Matthew. I'm guessing those should hopefully be marked inside, as well. With standard colouring, Green/Yellow = Earth, Blue= Neutral, and Brown = Live.

Standard three core mains cable will suffice, make sure the cord grip screws have purchase on the outer sleeve, or that's a fail. Without going into current capacities, just get a size which will fit the cord grip screws round the sheath securely.

Any questions, just ask, we'll get there.

[Mattysounds]

Yes Peter, they are normally marked inside but if it's an old one, the markings may've warn off

[Pe7e]

18653

Hello there, this should help you with it, let me know how you get on.
Many thanks
Matthew

Are you sure about the L & N positions? you are looking at a socket not a plug, to my way of thinking it would be the other way around. on a standard UK socket viewed from the front the Live is on the right. Then again I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

[Mattysounds]

18654 That's a plug, here's another

[Excalibur]

Are you sure about the L & N positions? you are looking at a socket not a plug, to my way of thinking it would be the other way around. on a standard UK socket viewed from the front the Live is on the right. Then again I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Having compared it to the IEC wiring diagram, I fear you may be right. Matty, please get Dave to pronounce on the matter, if you could.

I'd suggest David waits before wiring it up. We'll get there, that's the beauty of the forum, somebody always knows.

[djeddie]

Well here's a pic of the panel mounted plug (SA1861) that it should be attached to. As you can see, the original description and picture is correct.
Hope that helps.
(Edit post: Terrible spelling!)

[Pe7e]

18654 That's a plug, here's another


I beg to differ, it's not a plug, it's another socket. Conventionally plugs are gendered male and sockets are gendered female. Legally you can't have a plug on both ends of a cable the protruding (potentially) live conductors would be dangerous, presumably the cable in question has a UK 13A style plug fitted to connect it to the power source. I totally accept you 'plug it in' to the equipment, but what you are actually doing is plugging a socket into a plug not the other way round.

[djeddie]

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[true blue]

18653

Hello there, this should help you with it, let me know how you get on.
Many thanks
Matthew


Wired it as you said and BINGO!! It sprang to life.
Both turntables work, light works, dont have amp and speakers yet but the headphone moniter works and both decks sound awesome.
Thank you Mathew.

[true blue]

All sorted now guys, thank you so much for ALL your input.

Its great to be ab le to join a forum and get answers to questions us lay people have no knowledge of.
:)

[Pe7e]

All sorted now guys, thank you so much for ALL your input.

Its great to be ab le to join a forum and get answers to questions us lay people have no knowledge of.
:)

It may be working, but it an A/C current you are supplying which alternates its polarity 50 times a second, it would work which ever orientation the L and N were wired, but assuming you have followed the picture, you have wired it incorrectly. As I previously indicated it's a socket NOT a plug and should be wired as such with the L+ wire going to the RIGHT hand terminal when viewed from the FRONT (with the E at the top) Think of it as if you're plugging in a kettle to a socket in the kitchen, if you have ever changed a fuse (L+) you will know it on the right hand side viewed from the top and this is the side you connect to in the socket when also viewed from the front (outside)

[true blue]

I beg to differ, it's not a plug, it's another socket. Conventionally plugs are gendered male and sockets are gendered female. Legally you can't have a plug on both ends of a cable the protruding (potentially) live conductors would be dangerous, presumably the cable in question has a UK 13A style plug fitted to connect it to the power source. I totally accept you 'plug it in' to the equipment, but what you are actually doing is plugging a socket into a plug not the other way round.


Okay, I see what you are saying now.

I will change it over. It's easy to do so.

I will bow to the superior knowledge you guys obviously have.

Thank you so much, :)

[Excalibur]

It may be working, but it an A/C current you are supplying which alternates its polarity 50 times a second, it would work which ever orientation the L and N were wired, but assuming you have followed the picture, you have wired it incorrectly. As I previously indicated it's a socket NOT a plug and should be wired as such with the L+ wire going to the RIGHT hand terminal when viewed from the FRONT (with the E at the top) Think of it as if you're plugging in a kettle to a socket in the kitchen, if you have ever changed a fuse (L+) you will know it on the right hand side viewed from the top and this is the side you connect to in the socket when also viewed from the front (outside)

That's an excellent explanation, and I suspect Pete's right.


Okay, I see what you are saying now.

I will change it over. It's easy to do so.

I will bow to the superior knowledge you guys obviously have.

Thank you so much, :)
I ask again, were the terminals not marked?

[true blue]

That's an excellent explanation, and I suspect Pete's right.


I ask again, were the terminals not marked?

No markings inside the plug or the outside for that matter, so no clues.

[Excalibur]

No markings inside the plug or the outside for that matter, so no clues.

Right lads, hard as it may be to believe, I'm sitting in Davesounds Towers, with a multitude of said plugs and sockets in front of me. Contrary to what might appear, Matthew did indeed have it right initially. Well done Matthew. :approve:

[Pe7e]

Right lads, hard as it may be to believe, I'm sitting in Davesounds Towers, with a multitude of said plugs and sockets in front of me. Contrary to what might appear, Matthew did indeed have it right initially. Well done Matthew. :approve:

Take a look at this and decide for yourselves, we could both be correct I think, apparently Bulgin is an American business and the USA orientate the E to the bottom, my brain's starting to hurt and this is defiantly my last post on the subject :zip: :)

Bulgin Museum (https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Bulgin1.html) of plugs and sockets.