New Denon DN-HD2500 Multimedia player

[ian8limelight]

I've found this very interesting site with loads of FAQ's on it. Likely to be my New Years Eve present :D

http://www.dn-hd2500.com/

[Corabar Entertainment]

I didn't think that was going to be coming out over hear for many months yet??????

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I didn't think that was going to be coming out over hear for many months yet??????

January/February apparantly.

[A1DL]

it says there is an internal 40gb hard drive, and that it doubles up as a remote control for the DND4500 twin cd player. I guess that means you can copy favourite tracks from CD to the hard disc, then play them off the internal hard disc without loading the CD subsquently.

in laymans terms though, how many tracks of average length would 40gb space equate to?

from a licencing perspective, I imagine the PPL digital DJ licencing regulations apply if the hard disc were to be used.

[Danno13]

40GB isn't big enough really. I have around 95GB of music on my gig system and thats just over 11,000 tracks mostly ripped at 320k mp3.

By the way, i like this...


Does the unit have a BPM match button to the other deck like most computer software? No, it’s all up to your skills just like our current players.

does it count the BPM live like the S1000's? Yes


Errm.. so that "skill" is just moving the pitch slider until the BPMs read the same!!

[Thames Valley Discos]

you can plug in extra usb storage devices, your not limited to the onboard 40gb

[Have a disco]

yes you have to have your ID tags perfect though as well, for such a small screen

[A1DL]

so you could get between 4,000 and 4,500 tracks on the internal disc - that seems quite a lot really, if you think the entire Music Factory Classic Cuts series is circa 2,000 tracks, and the entire Now! series is circa 2,500 tracks, you could potentially load all that up onto the disc once, then just take one cd box out with current music and work off the hard disc for party sets and older requests

[Danno13]

I know you can plug an external drive in, but the point is you're paying for a 40GB drive that isn't much use. I'd have rather Denon had just not bothered with an internal drive and made the device cheaper, or put a bigger drive in to start with.

[A1DL]

I know you can plug an external drive in, but the point is you're paying for a 40GB drive that isn't much use. I'd have rather Denon had just not bothered with an internal drive and made the device cheaper, or put a bigger drive in to start with.

sorry Danno, but why is a drive that can hold over 4,000 tracks not much use.

that's the equivalent of two boxes of CDs and the big difference is you can choose what to load and what not to.

sounds pretty good to me!

[Danno13]

Because most DJs are going to have way more than 4000 tracks so will need to buy a bigger external drive anyway. So the 40gig may as well not be there.

[BeerFunk]

Ummm.... hello!! (http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=3431) :D :D :D

I'm not sure I see your logic Danno, are you saying they should either have not put a drive in at all or put in an 'ultra-massive' hard drive in which meets everyone's capacity requirements? Seeing as it will hook up to any USB storage device, including portable MP3 players, I don't see a problem.

40GB is enough for your 'core' music, as in the music which you will need at just about every gig :rolleyes:

I actually can hardly wait for this player, it will literally change the way I work, and open up so much potential for me as a DJ :headphones:

[Corabar Entertainment]

I'm being lazy here, I haven't read the spec...... but do we have a confirmed price tag yet?

[BeerFunk]

Nothing in stone yet, but expected to be just under the £1000 mark..

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Nothing in stone yet, but expected to be just under the £1000 mark..

That's what I thought, but a few people 'in the know' I have spoken to seem to think it's going to be a couple of hundred less than that.

[iany]

I'm surprised a large company like Denon couldn't negotiate a good price for say 250Gb hard drives and put them in instead.
40Gb soon fills up, and the whole idea of these hard drive players is so we don't have to cart around loads of boxes of cd's.
It's like the Numark hard drive player, that one had a small drive as well.
I know what you're gonna say, 'why don't you buy a hard drive and plug it in?'
For the price we're going to have to pay for the Denon - why should we?

[Have a disco]

will totally agree with you on this issue for £120 or less you can get a good seagate 250GB or even a maxtor drive without any problems, prehaps they were confined for the space it just makes choosing a drive of such small amount of space silly prehaps they will compromise and give us say !60gb like in most desk top machines or prehaps they are already thinking of putting bigger drive in and have left us space to upgrade it ourselves????

Please note I normally carry around on average 15 - 20,000 tunes (some copies of course but even then its still too blooming small a Hard drive

[BeerFunk]

I would prefer to use a seperate HDD of my choice to be honest (if I'll even need one!), rather than paying that extra money into the total purchase price of the decks. That way, the size and model of the hard drive is tailored to my exact needs :)

[iany]

I would prefer to use a seperate HDD
But if you were to buy a Denon, why should you have to fork out more money just to get a good sized one?
If they are going to charge £700 or £800 or whatever it will be, you should get a good size hard drive included in the price.
It's just another company saying people will buy this product because of the name.

[BeerFunk]

But if you were to buy a Denon, why should you have to fork out more money just to get a good sized one?
If they are going to charge £700 or £800 or whatever it will be, you should get a good size hard drive included in the price.
It's just another company saying people will buy this product because of the name.
That's a bit of an odd statement to make, as you don't know what profit margin Denon will have on the product. They are not going to be basic decks, they are going to be equipped with a good combination of the features on the current CD turntable range.

I may sound a bit pro-Denon, well, that's because really I am, I suppose. The 'name' as you put it, is a guarantee of quality and reliability, as well as the better value for money as opposed to the nearest competitors in Pioneer and Numark.. :)

[A1DL]

That's a bit of an odd statement to make, as you don't know what profit margin Denon will have on the product. They are not going to be basic decks, they are going to be equipped with a good combination of the features on the current CD turntable range.

I may sound a bit pro-Denon, well, that's because really I am, I suppose. The 'name' as you put it, is a guarantee of quality and reliability, as well as the better value for money as opposed to the nearest competitors in Pioneer and Numark.. :)

I'm pro-Denon too, but would certainly put Pioneer in the same bracket as Denon as opposed to putting Pioneer and Numark together

[BeerFunk]

I'm pro-Denon too, but would certainly put Pioneer in the same bracket as Denon as opposed to putting Pioneer and Numark together
What I meant was, that Pioneer DJ products are slightly more expensive than the Denon equivalents, even though the Denon products are better. Hence you get better value for money with Denon. Numark is obviously less expensive, but you don't get Pioneer or Denon quality with Numark IMO :)

[mikecouk]

I'm surprised a large company like Denon couldn't negotiate a good price for say 250Gb hard drives and put them in instead.
40Gb soon fills up, and the whole idea of these hard drive players is so we don't have to cart around loads of boxes of cd's.
It's like the Numark hard drive player, that one had a small drive as well.
I know what you're gonna say, 'why don't you buy a hard drive and plug it in?'
For the price we're going to have to pay for the Denon - why should we?

Just to note that the dn-hd2500 does not use standard pc hard disks, but the smaller form-factor 2.5 inch disks, which are more expensive, i.e. 65 quid for an 80 gig disk. Plus they have to be the more robust models, as the unit has to be of industrial grade, and put up with DJ's banging it around a bit :)
If you really do want a bigger internal drive without going external, there is nothing to stop you ripping out the internal one, selling it on ebay, and buying a slightly bigger one, but obviously this won't be officially supported by Denon !

As for prices, the US price is about 1000 dollars, so you can work it out from there what a potential price might be ( i.e taking into consideration the exchange rate, plus the rip-off-britain-rate ! )

Any more techy questions, throw them my way !

Mike - www.dn-hd2500.com

[Corabar Entertainment]

Firstly Mike, :welcome2: . Why not start a thread in the 'Newbies' section to tell all the other members a little bit about yourself? :D

As for conversion from US$ to UK£...... from what I can see, all they do is change the $ symbol for a £ symbol!!!!!! (ie if it's $1,000, then it's going to be £1,000 ...... which is about the price they were talking about)

[A1DL]

another site with info re the disk size:
http://www.tech2.com/india/news/hifi-audio-systems/denon-dnhd2500-cdhddusb-deck/1387/0

This is probably the most fancy thing to happen to new age deejays who were once jubilant about being able to use their CD collection instead of purchasing 12-inchers and the newer age e-jays who celebrated MP3 playback. The new Denon DN-HD2500 deck lets you scratch CDs, USB hard drives - anything from big fat external drives to tiny flash drives to iPods - and also introduces a hard drive built into the console. The 2.5" drive is a standard laptop hard drive, so you can upgrade it if you run out! The HD2500 also throws in a pretty large LCD that shows you track listing, timing, BPM and other details. You can also connect the deck to a PC or laptop and manage the music using the Denon DJ Music Manager software. This just-announced set of decks will keep looping in our heads for some time as there's no price announced. Party in the moonlight, waiting for the sunrise...

[Thames Valley Discos]

Q:What are the Dimensions of the Display
A:3.8 inch (diagonal)
May be a struggle to read.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Eyesight failing in your old age then is it Paul? :D

[Thames Valley Discos]

Eyesight failing in your old age then is it Paul? :D

yes:D

[Corabar Entertainment]

:lol:

[A1DL]

I'll be joining Dads Army too in just 6 weeks :mad:

[spin mobile disco]

Bear in mind with the display size though that most current cd players data displays are not exactly large. I use cdn 88's at the moment(buying a cortex this week though) and the display is only half the size of the denon and i can see it ok. (well most nights) :)

[Danno13]

Yeah, but you don't have to read the track names on a normal CD player.. you have the album case for that.

If i were to get one of the denon (or other brand) players then i think i'd find it horrible using such a small screen after being used to a nice 15" TFT. Then again, a lot depends on how good the software is.

[iany]

If you go and take out the standard fitted hard drive, can you see Denon honouring the warranty?
No.
You do pay more for a Denon as well, same as Pioneer.
I'm not saying they're worth it, and I'm not saying they're not.
But remember, people will pay a higher premium for a name.

[soundtracker]

I can assure you that with Denon you are noy paying for the name- but for quality! Here we go again with DJs double standards - buy cheap, it'll be just as good - so why don't we tell the public- hire a cheap disco, it'll be just as good!

[Have a disco]

I believe they will be suppling larger hard drives up to 120Gb should you wish a larger one so warranty issue is resolved. believe this version will be the £999 priced one the £40 Gb version being priced lower

What Im more curious about is will ir reccognise other drives music all as one or would I have to switch between drives??? is there a function to cater for this?

[mikecouk]

I believe they will be suppling larger hard drives up to 120Gb should you wish a larger one so warranty issue is resolved. believe this version will be the £999 priced one the £40 Gb version being priced lower

What Im more curious about is will ir reccognise other drives music all as one or would I have to switch between drives??? is there a function to cater for this?

I'm afraid the 120gig option is just a rumour !. There will only be a 40gig version at launch next year.
Each Hard Disk comes up as a seperate device you can switch between, HDD1, HDD2, HDD3, and HDD4. The 5th USB device is reserved for a keyboard.
As for price, I can assure you it will be alot lower than £1000 !, the hd2500 has managed to get into the lower import duty bracket on CD players, so the difference you normally see between UK and USA prices will be substantially reduced, although we still have to put UK VAT on that ! Trust me, when you see the price you'll be impressed !

Mike