Warning Notice for lights, strobe etc

[iainmc]

Is there specific wording that should be put in a notice informing the public that there will be flashing lights etc. If so does anyone know what it should be or have examples of what they use.

Thanks

Iain

[Paul James Promotions]

This is what I use....


WARNING!

STROBE
LIGHTING
IN USE

WARNING!

Please advise the stage crew immediately if you suffer from photo sensitive epilepsy

[Shaun]

Here's what I use.

I don't use actual strobes anymore. The signs are used at youth events where I may use more strobing sequences from scanners and moving heads etc.

[Steve 'B']

Should be black and yellow!!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You can edit your own posts Steve - just click on edit, rather than posting again.

[Corabar Steve]

You can edit your own posts Steve - just click on edit, rather than posting again.

Or you could've merged them.

Lazy git!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Or you could've merged them.

Lazy git!

Yes, and then they wouldn't have made sense, clever ****.:mad:

[Shaun]

Your'e worse than children. To bed..BOTH OF YOU :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Your'e worse than children. To bed..BOTH OF YOU :D

Not together...:eek: :D ;)

[Shaun]

The only thing that'll be going together is both of your heads :P :D

[Have a disco]

I dont use a warning signs

If they cant understand its a disco with flashing lights before they book the disco then they are completely daft or did not read up the info I have written upon my website. I will if asked turn it off or not bring certain items

[soundtracker]

Should we act suprised?

[Paul James Promotions]

I dont use a warning signs

If they cant understand its a disco with flashing lights before they book the disco then they are completely daft or did not read up the info I have written upon my website. I will if asked turn it off or not bring certain items

So you have checked with your PLI supplier that you are covered without the use of signs?

[DMX Will]

Where do you put them, and how do you affix them. I can imagine some venues being fussy etc?

[iainmc]

thanks everyone, Shaun I have 'borrowed' your sign and changed it a bit - they do say that to copy is the best form of flattery or something like that!
I say why re-invent the wheel

[Shaun]

Where do you put them, and how do you affix them. I can imagine some venues being fussy etc?

Usually just outside the entrance. Selotape or blu-tack usually does the trick.

[Shaun]

thanks everyone, Shaun I have 'borrowed' your sign and changed it a bit - they do say that to copy is the best form of flattery or something like that!
I say why re-invent the wheel

No problem Ian. Glad it was of some use. :)

[Have a disco]

So you have checked with your PLI supplier that you are covered without the use of signs?

to this date I have seen nothing within my PLI companies terms and conditions regards to warning signs, all of my customers are warned on the phone no further warning is necessary, even light boxes can set of an epileptic fit there is only so far you can go a disco is a disco flashing lights are part of it. All this political correctness must stop somewhere and I stopped it by nipping it in the bud at the beginning of an enquiry

soundtracker according to you I would have to announce a warning every hour on the hour that there are flashing lights on my disco. My stance is simple dont book a disco if you suffer or are liable to suffer from epilepsy other customers should be fore warned by the host and no one else. Most claims would not have a leg to stand on if you warned the potential client at the beginning of an enquiry

[soundtracker]

The trouble is I think that you actually believe what you say- we are trying to run a professional business - so we will continue to treat our customers with respect and consideration- maybe why the diary is filling up so well.

[Shaun]

Here's a few more signs if anyone wants them. I've left them blank so you can fill them in as neccesary.

[Have a disco]

I respect my customers wishes by asking the right questions at the beginning of an enquiry for a booking of a disco. by doing this I am being Considerate to my customers. So yes I do believe what I say, so get off your moral high horse. Different methods have been used to gain the same thing in a different professional way

Stop being so ****ed PC my diary is as busy as anyone else now Im getting more established with a one man one disco show. I actually carry warning signs for my laser not that I even need them as its a class 3b laser, its all swings and roundabouts with warning signs most are so unecessary. If they were wanting a disco with no light effects they would not be having a disco as such. but a PA system with music

Youll next want me to carry a warning sign say loud music being played???

[Shaun]

You tell him Badger :D

[soundtracker]

I give up - do what you want- you never take any notice anyway! :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Thames Valley Discos]

WARNING. LOUD music, you may go deaf...(pardon) lol

[Dragonfly]

thinking of getting a 6ft by 4ft sign

beware.

flashing lights may cause epileptic fits

smoke may cause asthma attacks

loud music may make you go deaf

bubbles may make a slippy floor so you may break your leg

anti social behaviour will result in your dj leaving and making you a king sized scape goat in the process which will cause great public embarrasment.

beware electricity in use may cause electrocution if mixed with beer

mind the stands see bubble broken limb warning

mind your head on the overhead lighting gantry it could render you unconcious

dont drink and drive
.............

oh and my van will be cotributing to global warming on the way home please do not breathe before leaving the carpark.

can anyone think of anything ive missed

:D :D :D :D :D :D

ive been tryng to sort cortex for 3 days :bang: :bang: :bang:

[Thames Valley Discos]

h and s going mad

[Shaun]

thinking of getting a 6ft by 4ft sign

beware.

flashing lights may cause epileptic fits

smoke may cause asthma attacks

loud music may make you go deaf

bubbles may make a slippy floor so you may break your leg

anti social behaviour will result in your dj leaving and making you a king sized scape goat in the process which will cause great public embarrasment.

beware electricity in use may cause electrocution if mixed with beer

mind the stands see bubble broken limb warning

mind your head on the overhead lighting gantry it could render you unconcious

dont drink and drive
.............

oh and my van will be cotributing to global warming on the way home please do not breathe before leaving the carpark.

can anyone think of anything ive missed?



I think you pretty much covered everything :D :D

[Stormin' Si]

I believe there is a law or similar that says strobe lighting cannot be used for more than 30 seconds at a time in public places.

[Thames Valley Discos]

I believe there is a law or similar that says strobe lighting cannot be used for more than 30 seconds at a time in public places.
depending on the flash rate, but strobes are a bit old hat

[DMX Will]

Found this...slightly out of taste i feel!

http://static.flickr.com/7/10934183_3666c49696_m.jpg

[funkymike]

I agree with Badger on this one, its plainly clear its a disco

perhaps they should warn people about uv lights because when you got conatct lenses on you cant see a thing with uv's



I shut up now

[dannyboy]

R.e. Strobes

I read somewhere that they must not exceed 3 flashes per second and a maximum usage of 15 seconds per hour.

I will try and locate where I read this if anyone wishes

[Dragonfly]

thought of another

please beware of the lighting units they get hot and may result in burns

please do not look directly at lights as eye sight may be damaged.

the dj takes no responsibility for the pulling/straining of muscles by those on the dancefloor guests who wish to dance are reminded they do so at their own risk.

[iainmc]

Blimey I have stirred up a hornets nest!, I agree that having to put these up is Pc gone mad but what are we to do!

[Steve 'B']

Dragonfly, I think you should just put barrier tape with flashing hazard lights at the main entrance to your venue with a big sign that says NO ENTRY - VERY HIGH LEVELS OF AIR/NOISE POLLUTION ON SITE. You know, just nip it in the bud from the start.

[Steve 'B']

Here You Go!!

[Dragonfly]

steve you legend im gonna make a lightbox with all those on for my frontage they can flash different colours and issue bio warfare suits ear defenders and breathing aparatus at the door. and book 2 ambulances for 11.30pm every gig just to be safe.

[Shaun]

steve you legend im gonna make a lightbox with all those on for my frontage they can flash different colours and issue bio warfare suits ear defenders and breathing aparatus at the door. and book 2 ambulances for 11.30pm every gig just to be safe.

:D :D

[Have a disco]

Now you getting the hang of itITS A Disco

[Steve 'B']

Its nice to see your taking safety very seriously!! I think a layer of steel over the top of any chemical suits would be a good idea just incase you hit your head on anything. What do you all think??

I told a customer i used 6ft flames on my show and she almost fainted. It was funny to see the look on her face!

[Have a disco]

many things can be dealt with by using common sense.. Its just when the liberal busy bodies try to make as all stand on a line together something has to give

Im sorry soundtracker we do take notice but sometimes there can be just too much safety for safetys sake

Does anyone put a safety notice on the dancefloor because the cleaners have polished the floor that day?? No I didnt think so or it is very rare.

Strobes should be used carefully but also much in the same vien so should any lighting like Mad Scans which can also produce strobe effect lighting even a simple fuzz light or lightboxe can set of a fit at anytime it all depends which type they have.

I know only of 1 person that has sound epilepsy which is ultra rare, even this person has to wear earplugs 24/7 but even she knows a disco is a disco and wont let it ruin her nights out to a party even more so to a club

[Fredthered]

many things can be dealt with by using common sense.. Its just when the liberal busy bodies try to make as all stand on a line together something has to give


The common sense approach is not actually to use strobes at all, but that kind of defeats the point of a disco.

I personally just warn people at the start of the night over the mic and they then cant say they havent been warned..

[Discodaz]

Got to agree with the badger here. Health and safety 'policies' can go too far. Common sense should shine through, but all too often nowadays, it doesn't get a look in.

Somebody somewhere is gonna pay for this!!

[Shaun]

Should you use a sign everytime your'e doing a disco?..probably not (I don't). But you should use a sign if you are using strobe lighting due to the increased risk for photo sensitive epileptics.

[Stormin' Si]

Photo Sensitive Epileptics should have the sense to stay away from places with flashing lighting if you ask me.

[Dragonfly]

very grey area that one veeerrryy......... everyone should be given the opportunity to enjoy an experience without having to "stay away" or knowing better ...... should people in wheelchairs have the sense to stay away from places with stairs?

the dda states employers must make suitable adjustments to enable people with a disability carry out their jobs and shops have now got to put in place systems that mean those with a disability can access their service to a satisfactory level.

i personally am very happy to make any adjustment to my show and service to enable everyone at the function to enjoy their evening safely and with minimal concern. im lucky enough to wear both hats in this discussion although not epileptic.

if you use strobes which i never have a simple warning will do the trick and covers you if you are not prepared to not use them for the show , if you have informed people of their use it is at their own risk that they stay.

[Have a disco]

Just how many nightclubs have easy access to the wheelchair users not many I know of around here??? most have stairs all over the place making it impossible for them to move around the club let alone enter it, come to think about it how many clubs and pubs have warning signs up for strobe lighting almost none I would dare to say?????

[Thames Valley Discos]

Well. I attended a large christmas party last night, run by the Christmas company. Very Very large venue 2000 people. A totally amazing light show, best i have ever seen at such a venue. Lots of use of strobing throughout the night, loads of smoke. But not one health and safety warning anywhere. So i think some people worry too much.

[shahzadmasih]

Hi, This post is very informative, however I would like some specific information. If someone can help me then please send me a private message. Best Regards,

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

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If you wish to have a question answered then please post it on the forum. I have edited your signature as there was far too much spam in it.

Perhaps you might like to start a new thread and introduce your self first?:)

[Corabar Entertainment]

Hi, This post is very informative, however I would like some specific information. If someone can help me then please send me a private message. Best Regards,How do any of us know if we can help you unless you tell us what it is you want to know? :confused: :confused:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

How do any of us know if we can help you unless you tell us what it is you want to know? :confused: :confused:

I think the answer to that is in my previous post...

I'm not 100%, but I don't think our friend will be back - there was lots of spam in his signature which I edited.

[Penfold42]

Hello people.....

Thinking of going down the line of buying a strobe.....I haven't seen a post regarding this light effect all the time i've been posting...sorry if i have missed it.....:)


depending on the flash rate, but strobes are a bit old hat

So are they old hat?.....if not can anyone recommend a good one.....preferably one i can see afterwards without too much blinking......:D :D

[Larry B Entertainment]

I need to get one too, my chauvet controller has a strobe controller built in to vary to flash speed. I need to find a way which means when i turn the strobe on it blacks out all the other lights because they look better on there own i reckon. KAM do a good quality one for about £54 that i was looking at.

Sign wise, i have always placed a notice at the entrance door in the past if i have used strobe fx, plus announced it on the mic at the start of the night aswell just to make sure everyone knows that didnt read the sign.

[Corabar Steve]

So strobes are having a revival in Lincolnshire then

[Larry B Entertainment]

Oh yes, its all happens here. The rest of the world will catch up soon :D

[Ricesnaps]

I understand they have made it to Peterbrough too

[Larry B Entertainment]

Might even make it as far as Cambridge.

[Ricesnaps]

However, we're way behind here in Suffolk - probably best just to ignore it

[Corabar Steve]

I've got 4 that have never been out of the box (bought as part of a job lot) Must get round to putting them on DJ Bids some time.

[Penfold42]

So strobes are having a revival in Lincolnshire then

I'm just playing with lighting effect's......i've always like them.....nice to have one, I think....IMO
:)

[PropellerHeadCase]

Given that my wife was a photo-sensitive epileptic (she's officially in remission having been off meds for over 10 years and not having had a fit in 15), and that she still gets headaches from seeing strobes (even when they're on TV), I'd have to say anyone who says "They should know better" is an idiot... a disco doesn't necessarily have a strobe, nor do concerts, there's just more likelihood of their being one there. It's perfectly appropriate for a photo-sensitive epileptic to expect to be able to celebrate a major occasion with other people, likewise they should expect to be able to advise the supplier as to their needs.

[sleah]

It's perfectly appropriate for a photo-sensitive epileptic to expect to be able to celebrate a major occasion with other people, likewise they should expect to be able to advise the supplier as to their needs.

I both agree and disagree:confused: :D :D
Imagine a concert with a huge lighting rig that someone has spend 2 days programming which includes some strobing, you could hardly expect them to scrap thousands of pounds worth of investment in lights and manpower just because one person is photo-sensitive???
However, in a disco situation where lighting is normally 'ad-lib' then it is reasonable to switch of the stobe lights.
But what if (like me) the movers/scanners/barrels etc are running internal programs that have some strobe type effects, then you can't expect a DJ to shut down his whole lightshow........
The specific issue here is strobe lights rather than strobe effects. A stobe effect is only going to affect the most sensitive of epileptic, whereas a dedicated strobe light is a different matter, and can usually be powered off.
It's a matter of common sense, an epileptic has to accept there are occasions where they cannot be accomodated, unfortunate, but sometimes unavoidable. It is also true for disabled people and the like, they cannot always be accomodated as it's just not practical.
It does really annoy me though when disadvantaged people are excluded purely due to bad planning or lack of thought or consideration.
However, if 'proper' stobes are in use then it is absolutely essential that warnings be clearly displayed.

[DJWayne]

May be wrong but photo sensitive epilepsy has more to do with flashing light rather than strobes in particular which would basically include every lighting effect you carry.

I know going way back strobes were linked with epilepsy problems as early models had ridiculous flash rates which have now been capped for safeety reasons.

You see computer games these days with epilepsy warnings on them because its flashing light that causes problems not necessarily a strobe. I may be corected but i am sure a couple of moving heads scanning the room rapidly could do as much damage as a strobe.

Warning notices i am not sure about as i am not a lawyer and don't necessarily understaand where our liability stands but....... I do know the legal definition of a disco is "music played at volume with flashing lights" so i doubt its down to interpretation if thats what the law says. People have to be realistic if you suffer with a photo sensiitive condition you are unlikely to want to put yourself in a position where you could be exposed to lighting that could trigger a seizure and on the other hand should you allow your condition to restrict the enjoyment of others?

one thing to add do you have to wear a sign when you are using a camera with red eye reduction as these strobe??

my 2p anyway :)

[Tom]

Found this...slightly out of taste i feel!

http://static.flickr.com/7/10934183_3666c49696_m.jpg

i dont like this one bit. my mum has got mild epilepsy. i have to be so carefull when using my lights at home or when she is at one of my disco's. :(

[PropellerHeadCase]

However, in a disco situation where lighting is normally 'ad-lib' then it is reasonable to switch of the stobe lights.

Yeah, that's kinda what I meant. At concerts my wife just covers her eyes ;)

[robbiedj]

Never use strobes, per se. However I have had a photo sensitive person have a fit at a show. It was caused by the flickering mirror of a scanner.

I now try to ensure this is not at a level to cause direct eye-contact. It is stated in my T&Cs that this can occur and I ask clients to inform me of any potential problems prior to the event, as I can simply not use those type of effects. Barrels do not seem to cause the same flicker.

As for photo sensitive people not attending discos. Some do not know about it until the first attack. It could be at your show.

And we do a lot of work for a local handicapped group where this is a recurring symptom. I have never had any cases at their functions.

[Candybeatdiscos]

Its a disco, sorry but at every disco i have done or been to there are flashing lights, so If i had/have epilespsy then i would be aware that i am attending at my own risk.

H&S is a good thing but too many busybodies are sticking thier oar in and rendering day to day life as too dangourous. I am half expecting signs popping up at roadsides advising that there may be cars in the area which can kill if they strike you whilst crossing the road.....

Come on give us a break - i do not use signs and i do not give warning's - at the end of the day my wife has severe asthma, she aint gonna run a marathon and then sue the marathon organisers if she has an attack....

[Corabar Steve]

Can I take this opportunity to draw attention to the following threads

Especially the links in post #22 (http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4032&highlight=epilepsy)

&

Not quite as relevant, but still on the same subject (http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2995&highlight=epilepsy)

Amazing what you can find when you use the search facility :sj:

[Penfold42]

I think it's a case of using your noodle with this appliance.....
I was thinking more of setting it off behind me and not facing the crowd.....although this does not stop what might happen but it may cushion the blow.....don't know???



Amazing what you can find when you use the search facility :sj:

What search facility...........:zip:

[Corabar Steve]

What search facility...........:zip:

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[Solitaire Events Ltd]

The strobe thing has been discussed many a time and I read up on it quite a lot and the figures for people who were affected were very very low indeed.

[Corabar Steve]

The strobe thing has been discussed many a time It just seems like it, the threads seem to go on & on...... & off & on & off & on & off & on & off & on & off & on & off & on & off & on & off & on & off & on & off & on & off & on & off & on ...........