And The Survey Says?

[Professor Jam]

If you have the time please take a moment and complete the 2007 Computer DJ Survey. The information we collect greatly helps us keep current.

Here is the link: http://www.computerdjsummit.com/industrysurvey.php

Thank You In Advance

[DMX Will]

I clicked the link and would have been happy to answer the DJ related questions but there are too many required fields that I regard as personal to me and NONE of your business so I declined.

My date of birth, email address etc etc etc would more than likely be used for marketing purposes, and I don't see how they affect the survey results one iota.

Mossy

Agreed.

[Professor Jam]

No problem at all - Thank you for the consideration.

The questions are so we collect factual information - The answers will be placed into graphs - It shows the ages and demographics which reflects trends and future directions of the computer DJing industry - The raw data does not leave our office and has never been sold.

To avoid duplicate and bogus submissions we request the listed items - In years past we caught some submitting multi times - Like hundreds to make a certain product look better and this years approach has worked much better.

[Thames Valley Discos]

Professor Jam,
have you played cluedo, if so do you know Professor Plum?

[DMX Will]

Professor Jam,
have you played cluedo, if so do you know Professor Plum?

lol! Shhh! They're rivals....

[Corabar Entertainment]

I clicked the link and would have been happy to answer the DJ related questions but there are too many required fields that I regard as personal to me and NONE of your business so I declined.

My date of birth, email address etc etc etc would more than likely be used for marketing purposes, and I don't see how they affect the survey results one iota.

Mossy
Agreed.It does say at the top of the questionnaire:-

All information provided is considered personal and private and will NOt be released to third parties.
The collected personal data will remain secured with security limited access.I can understand that personal info would be required to make sure that data is legit.
I also noted that you are assuming that anyone filling in the survey is using a PC, in my case I don't but some questions that you are required to complete do not have a NOT APPLICABLE option, so I wouldn't be able to complete it anyway

MossyThe clue is in the title Mossy.....
the 2007 Computer DJ Survey :doh:

[Shaun]

If you have the time please take a moment and complete the 2007 Computer DJ Survey. The information we collect greatly helps us keep current.


No problem Jam. Survey completed.

[DMX Will]

I can understand that personal info would be required to make sure that

The page isnt in a secure zone though....now obviously it doesn't mean it isnt secure....but it can't be all that secure as the data isnt encrypted on its way to the server/database.

[BeerFunk]

It also assumes you are in the US...

Edit : no it doesn't, the 'State' selection came before the 'Country' selection :D

[mikeee]

Well, I filled it in, but I couldn't find the "You know it's illegal, but do you do it anyway"

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Well, I filled it in, but I couldn't find the "You know it's illegal, but do you do it anyway"

What is illegal Mikeee?

[Corabar Entertainment]

.... and it's a US based survey anyway where things are very different

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

.... and it's a US based survey anyway where things are very different

Without reading it all (can't be bothered) - what was Mikeee implying was illegal?

[Corabar Entertainment]

Its a survey about DJing on a laptop, and Mikeee was referring to the current state of our laws about ripping CDs to use on the laptop and the mess of the licensing situation!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

So it isn't all illegal then as we know.

It depends on where you are playing and where the tunes came from, CD or download.

As per usual Mikeee is tarring everything with the same brush.

[BeerFunk]

I have to say, I agree with Darren. I don't see the point in making a statement like this
Well, I filled it in, but I couldn't find the "You know it's illegal, but do you do it anyway"

[mikeee]

Come on guys, you know exactly what I mean. And I believe, and no I haven't read the small print, it is illegal to use tunes from iTunes for anything other than personel use. Someone else can go and read the small print and the licence agreements - for a change.

I believe a similar problem exists over the pond as well.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Absolute rubbish Mikeee - I suggest you go and check YOUR facts with the authorities!

[mikeee]

Which bit??? My info came from the music press about a year ago.

[BeerFunk]

Mikeee, you sound as though you are anti-PC DJing for some reason? We all know there are licensing complications at the moment, but surely once they are resolved, it will be great news for all us DJs? :)

[Corabar Entertainment]

The use of legal download sites has been done to death, quite frankly - and I'm not about to hijack this thread with it again. If you want to start another topic, feel free, but I can categorically assure you that what you have said about not being able to use downloaded tracks legally for DJing is wrong

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

The use of legal download sites has been done to death, quite frankly - and I'm not about to hijack this thread with it again. If you want to start another topic, feel free, but I can categorically assure you that what you have said about not being able to use downloaded tracks legally for DJing is wrong

Agreed.

[spin mobile disco]

As i cant comment on itunes as i dont use it myself, i bought a couple of songs from walmarts online music store. As it required use of its own player to play them i wrote it off as unusable anyway for DJ use simply because of playback problems. However in the smallprint of the site it specifiacally said that use of music for anything other than personal use was prohibited. And all the usual legal mumbo jumbo we all glaze over while reading.
Im guessing that it is probably a warning like that that mikeee is thinking of. And if you do go by the wording on site it seems very explicit. However of course we know that a private function comes under personal / private use and it becomes one of those gray areas. No one wants to make the first move.
just trying to defuse the situation guys its not worth arguing over until the law is sorted out, to many people keep saying they have heard this or that but it comes down to : until the music companies/publishers/regulators actually come together and agree something on digital DJ rules no one will know where they stand. And until they do we'll carry on the way we have in the past by buying it on cd/ online and using it because we dont really have any choice.

[Corabar Steve]

The use of legal download sites has been done to death, quite frankly - and I'm not about to hijack this thread with it again. If you want to start another topic, feel free, but I can categorically assure you that what you have said about not being able to use downloaded tracks legally for DJing is wrong

Others may well do though

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

However in the smallprint of the site it specifiacally said that use of music for anything other than personal use was prohibited.

In one of the first meetings with MCPS (with the LWP) they made it clear that CDs are also only really for domestic use too.

So what do you make of that?

[Thames Valley Discos]

there are so many grey areas in life in general.Some are just accepted as policing them would be daft. Am i making sense?

[mikeee]

Just to set the record straight, I am very pro the new technology, and have been for many years. I was "playing with" PCDJ back in 1998. I just feel that jumping the gun may cause problems in the future, that and the fact that (it was either last year or the year before) the "music industry" want(ed) to standardise everything to Windows Media format, this was covered in a number of computer and music magazines. So "IMHO" when the licences are sorted, within a period of time (couple of years) a re wording in the licences (or similar) will mean that you can only use WMA, and to use that format everytime you want to play a track you will need to connect to the internet to acquire the DRM licence or the track won't play. The future is bright, the future is microsoft (lol). This is where my concerns lie.

[BeerFunk]

Just to set the record straight, I am very pro the new technology, and have been for many years. I was "playing with" PCDJ back in 1998. I just feel that jumping the gun may cause problems in the future, that and the fact that (it was either last year or the year before) the "music industry" want(ed) to standardise everything to Windows Media format, this was covered in a number of computer and music magazines. So "IMHO" when the licences are sorted, within a period of time (couple of years) a re wording in the licences (or similar) will mean that you can only use WMA, and to use that format everytime you want to play a track you will need to connect to the internet to acquire the DRM licence or the track won't play. The future is bright, the future is microsoft (lol). This is where my concerns lie.

Oh, I would like to have enough faith in the authorities involved to believe that would definitely not happen!! :eek:

[mikeee]

I have great faith in the British Goverment and the various professional bodies :bang: :bang: :bang:

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You also have a great way of scaring people with your over the top and sometimes unfounded opinions Mikeee.

[Professor Jam]

Just to set the record straight, I am very pro the new technology, and have been for many years. I was "playing with" PCDJ back in 1998.
Mikeee I don't know if you knew but I was the first PCDJ - I actually created the name for the product back then.

The issues that arise with CPS DJing are not the computer usage, its the end user application that causes the fuss.

[BeerFunk]

Mikeee I don't know if you knew but I was the first PCDJ - I actually created the name for the product back then.

The issues that arise with CPS DJing are not the computer usage, its the end user application that causes the fuss.
I'm not sure I understand that...

When you say application, do you mean software applications such as PCDJ or Traktor? Or do you mean the way in which the DJ applies the technology?

What is causing 'all the fuss', are the licensing issues which are still in limbo.

[Professor Jam]

When you say application, do you mean software applications such as PCDJ or Traktor? Or do you mean the way in which the DJ applies the technology?

What is causing 'all the fuss', are the licensing issues which are still in limbo.
With so much focus on illegal distrubution of the music, the concern and delay is a result of no real ability to monitor the licensed music.

Illegal distrubution is next to impossible to control and results in limbo as you hurry and wait.

Not to forget about everyone wanting a piece of the $$$$$$$

[Thames Valley Discos]

I have great faith in the British Goverment
Glad someone does. I could list many a reason why i dont!!!

[sleah]

The issues that arise with CPS DJing are not the computer usage, its the end user application that causes the fuss.


I'm not sure I understand that...

When you say application, do you mean software applications such as PCDJ or Traktor? Or do you mean the way in which the DJ applies the technology?

What is causing 'all the fuss', are the licensing issues which are still in limbo.


Can I just point out to y'all that we are speaking two different languages here.
Mr Jam is in the USA where they have "Fair use" - something we don't have (officially anyway), they also have different licencing authorities and so on.

Mr Jam is actually a bit daft bothering to post his survey here, because at the moment strictly to the letter of UK law we can't use the like of PCDJ. It's only that the authorities are 'accepting' us using PC's and that there is no proper licencing structure in place that we do use digital playout.

No offence Mr Jam, but all your posting has done is caused confusion and more misunderstanding of a topic that is very much up in the air in the UK, so apart from a passing interest, your survey is actually worthless in the UK.

Simon Leah

[Corabar Entertainment]

Simon - that just is not the case: it's the ripping of CDs, etc that is the problem - not the use of the systems per se

Also, have you actually read the survey questions? There is nothing there that is to do with the legalities of it - licences or otherwise, it is purely about how and where you use it.

[spin mobile disco]

In one of the first meetings with MCPS (with the LWP) they made it clear that CDs are also only really for domestic use too.

So what do you make of that?

True but as was said laws change as the new medium settles, we are still waiting for that with current formats, mp3 / wma /aac etc. And with the release of cd writers for domestic use the problem was the same as video recorders. Its needed change in rules to allow new usage. In this case technology was faster than the admin as always happens.
To be honest as was said the UK does not have a fair usage policy like the states and until we do this subject is best avoided for the trouble it causes. Just like cd's keep paying your ppl and hope no one decides to enforce letter of the law.

[Candybeatdiscos]

Simon - that just is not the case: it's the ripping of CDs, etc that is the problem - not the use of the systems per se

Also, have you actually read the survey questions? There is nothing there that is to do with the legalities of it - licences or otherwise, it is purely about how and where you use it.

yeah agreed ang, so perhaps this thread can go back to the survey use, if someone wants to discuss the legalities between US & UK, MP3, WMA, PCDJ etc then go to the top of this thread and click mobile disco forum, then new thread and then write your thoughts.

[Corabar Entertainment]

yeah agreed ang, so perhaps this thread can go back to the survey use, if someone wants to discuss the legalities between US & UK, MP3, WMA, PCDJ etc then go to the top of this thread and click mobile disco forum, then new thread and then write your thoughts.Agreed! I refer the honourable gentleman to my earlier response :D ......
The use of legal download sites has been done to death, quite frankly - and I'm not about to hijack this thread with it again. If you want to start another topic, feel free, but I can categorically assure you that what you have said about not being able to use downloaded tracks legally for DJing is wrong
Agreed.

[sleah]

Simon - that just is not the case: it's the ripping of CDs, etc that is the problem - not the use of the systems per se.

Yes! That's what I meant, the ripping of CD's etc the use of hardware/software is completely legal.

[QUOTE=Also, have you actually read the survey questions? There is nothing there that is to do with the legalities of it - licences or otherwise, it is purely about how and where you use it.[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I haven't read the whole thing as I started completeing it and arrived at one of my pet hates - the "State" thing, it only lists US states, in other words other countries don't have "states" or "counties", maybe the Yanks don't care - only about their own "states" - but I digress:D

I still stand my comments - if we can't legally rip CD's and copy downloads to a useable form, then digital playout isn't of much use to a mainstream DJ!
I think this is what Mikees comments were about, but he didn't come across too well, maybe I'm not either?

BTW I am a fully fledged DDJ:D I even bouight the DDJ Licence, but have let it expire due to all the uncertainty and recent statements from the BPI.
I have every intention of being fully legal when the authorities figure out how!!!

Bloomin' stupid situation ain't it! Where's me :beer1: ?

[Professor Jam]

No offence Mr Jam, but all your posting has done is caused confusion and more misunderstanding of a topic that is very much up in the air in the UK, so apart from a passing interest, your survey is actually worthless in the UK.
No offence taken at all Simon - I have many friends in the UK and enjoy the networking.

You have many great DJs mixing with a combination Laptop/vinyl - How are they not having performance issues?

sleah,

That is a good point and I've sent a message to have that changed on the survey. Thank You

[Corabar Entertainment]

You have many great DJs mixing with a combination Laptop/vinyl - How are they not having performance issues?
The simple answer to that one is that, so long as they are operating using the equivalent of the 'fair use' policy that the USA has, the authorities are turning a bit of a blind eye until such time as the legalities and licencing issues are resolved... that is to say, catch up with the technologies!!!!

[Professor Jam]

the authorities are turning a bit of a blind eye until such time as the legalities and licencing issues are resolved... that is to say, catch up with the technologies!!!!
With the speed of growth technology is experiencing it may be a long wait.

[sleah]

With the speed of growth technology is experiencing it may be a long wait.

Our authorities will NEVER catch up!

It's such a shame we don't have a level playing field, it would be great to comapre notes like for like with the rest of the world.
It's so frustrating when the likes of Visiosonic are trying to sell us fantastic products such as PCDJ KJ and their new VJ release due soon, and we can't fully embrace them due to our out-of-date laws.:bang:
It must cost companies such as Luminar who use digital audio/video playout systems a fortune in licensing, and a mountain of paperwork - and there are licenses already in place for them!

Anyway Prof, it would be great if we could see the result of your survey, I'd be interested to see 'how the other half live' :)

[mikeee]

Darren, Um, Yes, Large hammer and small nut comes to mind, but sometimes that is needed to drive a point home. We all know that if you start doing something in this country a goverment dept or an "advisory body" will say "oh we can make money out of this". The best example I can think of, off the top of my head was CB Radio, everyone running around with their AM sets, the the gov, says OK we will make it legal, but only on FM, it cost people hundreds of pounds replacing kit, and I'm sure there are thousands of other instances in various industries, so my comments are based on the rational, of history continuing to repeat itself, and we are not exempt because we are DJ's, but hey, what do I know (lol)

Prof Jam, I vague remember something about you being a DJ with a PC, not to be confused with PCDJ (Visiosonics). I was a Mod on DJ Chat in the latter part of the 90's. Was it you that had the print company??? I still frequent the US forums, but not having been over since 97 (god that long), I 've lost touch with some of my friends, but I'm really hoping to get back later this year or next year.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Mike, you have lots of good information and advice to give people, but ultimately you go over the top and scare people into doing things they don't need to do.

A good example - Farnham Castle where you work regularly and I worked last year. You know the story and I don't need to repeat it, but they were fine with me being a PCDJ and also you told me they were hot on PLI and PAT.

I offered the certs on the phone and twice when I got there and yet no-one took me up on the offer.

This is a small example of you scaremongering people and I'm sorry to say I've heard many more.

[mikeee]

I think scaremongering is a bit heavy, as I said I do use a large hammer to crack nuts, but that is because I honestly believe points need to be driven home. As for Farnham Castle, I can catogorical state that after the iPod incident, they told me that they were going to clamp down siting the clause in the Licencing Act 2003. As for the PAT and PLI, I know they do ask for it, as I had to PAT a band last year because they were working the Castle and their client had told them they had to supply it.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I think scaremongering is a bit heavy, as I said I do use a large hammer to crack nuts, but that is because I honestly believe points need to be driven home. As for Farnham Castle, I can catogorical state that after the iPod incident, they told me that they were going to clamp down siting the clause in the Licencing Act 2003. As for the PAT and PLI, I know they do ask for it, as I had to PAT a band last year because they were working the Castle and their client had told them they had to supply it.

Sorry Mike, but you need to get real.

As I said I offered once on the phone and twice when I was there for PLI and PAT and they never took me up on it.

As for the Ipod incident, you really take yourself far too seriously - I asked them about it and they laughed it off.

[mikeee]

They were not laughing when I had my meeting with them, I can asure you of that.

Now, slightly of topic, If I said that the police were now trialing a system of road side fingerprinting, would you say I was scarmongering???

[Corabar Entertainment]

Now, slightly of topic, If I said that the police were now trialing a system of road side fingerprinting, would you say I was scarmongering???Slightly off topic? This thread is supposed to be about Prof Jam's survey, and I have asked several times if we could please keep it to that. If you want to discuss licencing, laws, etc START A NEW THREAD!!!

Let's start again.......
If you have the time please take a moment and complete the 2007 Computer DJ Survey. The information we collect greatly helps us keep current.

Here is the link: http://www.computerdjsummit.com/industrysurvey.php

Thank You In Advance