Where am I legally if.....

[DMX Will]

Where am I legally if I download a CD (via torrent or whatever) that i've already got, but is damaged.

I've got a CD with a massive "graze" across it, (part of a 2 disc compilation), and only the first 2 tracks work safely (i.e. im happy that they'll play). I'm just (as you might have guessed from earlier posts) ripping my collection to MP3, but will be unable to rip this CD.

Can I download the CD and re-tag it if required legally as I've got a copy of the CD?

Saying that I haven't even searched for it, so I might not be even able to D/L it.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Where am I legally if I download a CD (via torrent or whatever) that i've already got, but is damaged.

I've got a CD with a massive "graze" across it, (part of a 2 disc compilation), and only the first 2 tracks work safely (i.e. im happy that they'll play). I'm just (as you might have guessed from earlier posts) ripping my collection to MP3, but will be unable to rip this CD.

Can I download the CD and re-tag it if required legally as I've got a copy of the CD?



No, whether you own a copy or not, torrent sites and p2p sites are illegal if you are downloading copyrighted music.

[DMX Will]

No, whether you own a copy or not, torrent sites and p2p sites are illegal if you are downloading copyrighted music.

True, however how would one be found out if I own a copy already?

[BeerFunk]

In this case, it's 'illegal' in the same way that taping off the radio/TV is.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

True, however how would one be found out if I own a copy already?

You probably wouldn't, but putting info like this on a public forum probably wouldn't be a great idea either.


In this case, it's 'illegal' in the same way that taping off the radio/TV is.

Not sure that's really the same thing?

You don't use tapes of TV and radio for commercial gain or to do a job.

[BeerFunk]

You probably wouldn't, but putting info like this on a public forum probably wouldn't be a great idea either.



Not sure that's really the same thing?

You don't use tapes of TV and radio for commercial gain or to do a job.
He said he already bought the CD?

[Corabar Steve]

& torrent & P2P sites are still illegal.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

He said he already bought the CD?

He bought the CD and therefore owns the disc, not the recording.

[BeerFunk]

& torrent & P2P sites are still illegal.
Not all of them, and in fact the legality only comes down to the files shared - you can use bittorrent to transfer any personal file too big to send in an email.

He bought the CD and therefore owns the disc, not the recording.
So, why is it OK to rip a CD to your hard drive? If he was to download an album which he owns, it is essentially someone else ripping it for him. I'm not saying it's technically legal, but I don't see anything morally wrong with it - although, as you say, it's best he keeps it to himself either way :zip: :)

[Corabar Steve]

OK then I will rephrase it.

The transfer of copyrighted material over a P2P or Torrent site is illegal (as is ripping to a hard drive technically)

[rob1963]

You probably wouldn't, but putting info like this on a public forum probably wouldn't be a great idea either.



Not sure that's really the same thing?

You don't use tapes of TV and radio for commercial gain or to do a job.

Darren,

With all due respect it's irrelevant if you use tapes of TV and radio for commercial gain or to do a job or not.

Recording TV programmes is illegal, and so is burning a downloaded track onto a cd. What you do with the recording AFTERWARDS doesn't change this.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Recording TV programmes is illegal, and so is burning a downloaded track onto a cd.

Burning a downloaded track onto a CD is not illegal, if you bought the track from a legal download site.

[rob1963]

Burning a downloaded track onto a CD is not illegal, if you bought the track from a legal download site.

I know, but I wasn't referring to downloads from legal sites which had been paid for.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I know, but I wasn't referring to downloads from legal sites which had been paid for.

Right, but you didn't put that in your post and you know how people can get the wrong idea by reading incorrect or mis-quoted information.;)

[rob1963]

Right, but you didn't put that in your post and you know how people can get the wrong idea by reading incorrect or mis-quoted information.;)

Yeah...that kind of rings a bell! :D :D :D

[PropellerHeadCase]

Where am I legally if I download a CD (via torrent or whatever) that i've already got, but is damaged.

I've got a CD with a massive "graze" across it, (part of a 2 disc compilation), and only the first 2 tracks work safely (i.e. im happy that they'll play). I'm just (as you might have guessed from earlier posts) ripping my collection to MP3, but will be unable to rip this CD.

Can I download the CD and re-tag it if required legally as I've got a copy of the CD?

Saying that I haven't even searched for it, so I might not be even able to D/L it.

Some potential non-download solutions...

1) If you aren't already using a DVD-ROM on your PC try ripping with one. The laser is finer and can sometimes 'read around' scratches and surface issues that CD-ROMs can't cope with. Trust me, have done it myself with a number of CDs.

2) Many DVD/Video rental stores have CD/DVD resurfacing machines that shave a couple of microns off the depth of the CD/DVD substrate which will often remove enough of the scratch/graze for correct reading to occur (even if only on your DVD-ROM for ripping purposes ;) ). This process doesn't shave off so much that the depth of the substrate is outside of the margin of error on most CD players.


In a similar vein does anyone else have old CDs that have no apparent surface issues but that simply won't play? I have The Doors 'The Doors' pressed in 1985 and it simply won't play in either my CD or DVD. It seems to be a weighting/balance issue as it rattles like a Lada when the drive spins-up.

[spin mobile disco]

I would say it may not be strictly legal, but the old rules allowed you to make a backup of a cd or tape for own use. As long as you still keep the original as proof I cant see anyone complaining to loudly.
I myself was forced to replace a few old tracks recently from napster, although I already owned them on vinyl.
Unfortunatly as we have discussed before the UK doesnt have a fair usage policy for this kind of thing. And boy do we need one.

Myself I consider it a logical thing to do, if you feel it is a moral dillema you will have to choose for yourself, if you feel it is ok then do it.

[Corabar Steve]

I would say it may not be strictly legal, but the old rules allowed you to make a backup of a cd or tape for own use. As long as you still keep the original as proof I cant see anyone complaining to loudly. ...........
Unfortunatly as we have discussed before the UK doesnt have a fair usage policy for this kind of thing. And boy do we need one.


You've contradicted yourself a bit there. The UK does indeed not have a fair use policy & never has, therefore the old rules you refer to cannot have existed.

[spin mobile disco]

Yes old rules did exist until copyright law changed, now we no longer have fair use. Unfortunatly the law is complex and the companies that enforce it have the money to hire expensive laywers who get it changed to suit them.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Yes old rules did exist until copyright law changed, now we no longer have fair use.

I'd be very interested to look at these old rules.

Have you got a link?

[Corabar Entertainment]

Yes old rules did exist until copyright law changed, now we no longer have fair use. Unfortunatly the law is complex and the companies that enforce it have the money to hire expensive laywers who get it changed to suit them.


I'd be very interested to look at these old rules.

Have you got a link?Me too, because in my lifetime I've never known anything different - ie any copy (even if you owned the original) was and is illegal. Isn't that why everyone is complaining and saying the copyright laws need reviewing - because they are antiquated and very much out of date?

[soundscapes]

cant say ive ever heard of "old" rules. the safest way is to just use a legal download site to replace the tracks on the damaged disc. You could maybe try running the old disc thro a skip doctor which you can pick up cheaply from craplins (other retailers may be available )

[Corabar Entertainment]

cant say ive ever heard of "old" rules. the safest way is to just use a legal download site to replace the tracks on the damaged disc. That's what we usually do
You could maybe try running the old disc thro a skip doctor which you can pick up cheaply from craplins (other retailers may be available )We've got a manual one (I know you can get the electric ones at a decent price now as well). They do work for minor scuffs and scratches, but not for anything too deep

[spin mobile disco]

This is a link to an american site about same http://americanbopassociation.com/news_aug05/music.html
The old law was really based on vinyl and audio tape. It was the onset of cd's that bought the rot in.
I have been searching the net for some mor information on this but unfortunatly have come up short on solid facts, all i can assume is that with all the new digital stuff around no one talks about the old stuff anymore.

[Corabar Entertainment]

USA does have 'fair use', but to my knowledge, we've never had it here - that's what all the fuss/govt reports etc recently have been on about and what many are petitioning for.

[Corabar Steve]

UK copright laws have never had a fair use clause.

[sleah]

I don't think there has ever been an 'old' law or rule. There hasn't been any new with regard to copying music:confused: There are licenses but I don't think there has ever been a change in law:confused: