Seamless loop.

[Penfold42]

I have purchased most of my set up second hand and of course that comes with no instructions (why dont people keep them :confused: ) they have a seemless loop on them.
Problem is I cant seem to work out how this works or what are they used for?

Tried playing with them last night but to no avail....also it has memory banks...4?

Can anyone try and explain?

The CD's are KAM CDDJ110...I know it's budget but this will have to do for now as there is no more money in the pot.

Thanks in advance.

[BeerFunk]

Manual is here (http://www.kam.co.uk/products/cdplayers/docs/kcdj110_web_manual.pdf) ;)

[Penfold42]

Manual is here (http://www.kam.co.uk/products/cdplayers/docs/kcdj110_web_manual.pdf) ;)

Thanks....:beer1:
I'll go and have a play so to speak.

[DMX Will]

I have purchased most of my set up second hand and of course that comes with no instructions (why dont people keep them :confused: ) they have a seemless loop on them.
Problem is I cant seem to work out how this works or what are they used for?

Tried playing with them last night but to no avail....also it has memory banks...4?

Can anyone try and explain?

The CD's are KAM CDDJ110...I know it's budget but this will have to do for now as there is no more money in the pot.

Thanks in advance.

The whole idea behind the looping is you can set a track up in a seemless loop (for example, lets say its just a beat, where right after the loop the song cuts into some crazy dance tune).

If the BPM (beats per minute) match with the current track playing...towards the end of the currently playing track you can fade in (using the crossfader to the desired sound level) to overlay that beat, then as the first song that was playing finishes and the crossfader is at a point where the channel is @ full, you can hit loop out when required and we have a instant, seemless mix from one song too another making it sound like a complete mix.

Hopefully that makes sense. You can use loops to do other crazy things with, however thats what I use it for mainly. Other thing that can be handy (works on the Axis 9's dont know about any other decks) is if you want to start the song into the track, (i.e. scissor sisters - i don't feel like dancing (due to the crappy intro) you can hit the loop in key (when listening in ear) at the point where you want the track to start. Then instead of hiting play...hit the reloop key. Saves buggering around with the cue points...

[Danno13]

I'm not sure I understand why you'd use the loop key to get the start of a track rather than just using Cue? The whole point of cueing, is you can adjust by the frame and get it dead on, if you want to start on a beat.

Seamless looping is handy if you only have radio edits of tracks and want to mix, or if you want to speak on the mic longer with a backing. It can also be handy for doing creative stuff like adding different basslines and backings to tracks.. kinda like live mashups, but not as good!

[Penfold42]

The whole idea behind the looping is you can set a track up in a seemless loop (for example, lets say its just a beat, where right after the loop the song cuts into some crazy dance tune).

If the BPM (beats per minute) match with the current track playing...towards the end of the currently playing track you can fade in (using the crossfader to the desired sound level) to overlay that beat, then as the first song that was playing finishes and the crossfader is at a point where the channel is @ full, you can hit loop out when required and we have a instant, seemless mix from one song too another making it sound like a complete mix.

Hopefully that makes sense. You can use loops to do other crazy things with, however thats what I use it for mainly. Other thing that can be handy (works on the Axis 9's dont know about any other decks) is if you want to start the song into the track, (i.e. scissor sisters - i don't feel like dancing (due to the crappy intro) you can hit the loop in key (when listening in ear) at the point where you want the track to start. Then instead of hiting play...hit the reloop key. Saves buggering around with the cue points...

As ever Will simple laymans terms.....need to play a bit more....;)

[Penfold42]

I'm not sure I understand why you'd use the loop key to get the start of a track rather than just using Cue? The whole point of cueing, is you can adjust by the frame and get it dead on, if you want to start on a beat.

Seamless looping is handy if you only have radio edits of tracks and want to mix, or if you want to speak on the mic longer with a backing. It can also be handy for doing creative stuff like adding different basslines and backings to tracks.. kinda like live mashups, but not as good!

My next question......don't want to be a DJ that just spin's want to do something a bit different......the functions are there, just want to learn..and how?

[DMX Will]

I think they key is don't go for anything too complicated to start with...or indeed at all, if your doing Weddings and up-market events they won't want DJ Penny-Mare and his over-mixing hands, subtle effects and track layering can be done really nicely and properly if you practice hard.

You seem to have the want to learn, which in my book means you're already half way round the track.

Get people (once you have played about, and are confident) to listen to your "mixes" and give you feedback, ask them things like "if you were at our Sally's wedding....would you be impressed/like this if you heard..." :) ;) You get the idea.

Good luck!

HTH

[DMX Will]

I'm not sure I understand why you'd use the loop key to get the start of a track rather than just using Cue? The whole point of cueing, is you can adjust by the frame and get it dead on, if you want to start on a beat.

I have yet to teach myself to do this properly on the Axis 9's....

[Danno13]

Same as any other cd player.. press play, wait until roughly the right time, then hit pause to stop it, then use the platter to fine adjust to the right frame, and then hit cue. Et Voila.. cue point saved.

[BeerFunk]

If memory serves me correctly, every DJ CD player I have ever used cues like that... :confused:

How can any DJ not know that, it's quite a fundamental thing to know, I would say! ;)

[Penfold42]

If memory serves me correctly, every DJ CD player I have ever used cues like that... :confused:

How can any DJ not know that, it's quite a fundamental thing to know, I would say! ;)

I know how to cue and you are right - but was trying to work out how seamless que / memory bank work......and why they are there. They must do something for mixing or am i wrong....:o

[BeerFunk]

To be quite honest, it will do little for you in the mobile disco scene. It's something that will be used by club DJs and turntablists - I rarely use it on my Denons, I make use of the hot starts a lot more :)

[Penfold42]

I rarely use it on my Denons, I make use of the hot starts a lot more :)

Denons...now your talking....no money in the pot yet.:(

[DMX Will]

Same as any other cd player.. press play, wait until roughly the right time, then hit pause to stop it, then use the platter to fine adjust to the right frame, and then hit cue. Et Voila.. cue point saved.

I've had it work properly once for me, so my solution just seemed the quickest way. It's not like you would use it more than a couple of times a night anyway. Will have a play.


How can any DJ not know that, it's quite a fundamental thing to know, I would say! ;)

Hasn't hurt me not knowing the "proper" way. Perhaps im a cowboy because I cue differently :o lol. :D:D

[BeerFunk]

Hasn't hurt me not knowing the "proper" way. Perhaps im a cowboy because I cue differently :o lol. :D:D
I've just re-read it, and your method would work fine. It's just, if you have to DJ on a walk-in job, you might not be familiar with the controls :)

[DMX Will]

I've just re-read it, and your method would work fine. It's just, if you have to DJ on a walk-in job, you might not be familiar with the controls :)

Fair play, in such a enviroment, I could always resort to hitting pause....:rolleyes:

Not ideal though.

[Danno13]

It's not like you would use it more than a couple of times a night anyway. Will have a play.


Well, personally I do it for every track (well technically I don't, as PCDJ remembers all my cue points!), there's usually always a few seconds you want to skip at the beggining to bring it foward to a recognisable point.

[DMX Will]

Well, personally I do it for every track (well technically I don't, as PCDJ remembers all my cue points!), there's usually always a few seconds you want to skip at the beggining to bring it foward to a recognisable point.

If thats the case I would overlay them, if it's a couple of seonds. Anything greater than 5 seconds we're talking cues/loops in my case lol