e bay again

[CRAZY K]

Here we go again--not having much luck!:eek:

I put in a bid this morning for a Video--it said i needed to bid 55p
I did that --within a nano second it said you have been outbid--so bid another 5p!

Again immediate note you have been outbid! BID HIGHER--- DID THIS AND JUST KEEPS GOING UP --NOW AT 75P-its the principle of this that annoys me.

Is there some scam where theres an automatic system which keeps upping the " supposed " competition when there is none at all?

Its impossible that someone else is sitting on a computer at 8 am bidding against me.

Just noticed the other bidder according to the screen is a lady---but i dont believe she is going to sit at a computer all morning for a 75p video---
can she automate her bids?

thanks guys

CRAZY K

[Ricesnaps]

It's actually not a sinister as you thing Alan. All that's happening is the other bidder has put in a higher bid than you. Say you have an item at 5p, you bid 10p but the other bidder has already bid £1, ebay will just keep bidding for the other bidder until you reach there bid of £1.

I have to say at time this is really annoying. When there are just two bidders on something and in my example, all you would need to do is bid £1.05 and it's yours, but because ebay just adds on 5p to you last bid, you actually don't know what the other bidders top bid is.

Frustrating, but unfortunately how the system works!

[CRAZY K]

It's actually not a sinister as you thing Alan. All that's happening is the other bidder has put in a higher bid than you. Say you have an item at 5p, you bid 10p but the other bidder has already bid £1, ebay will just keep bidding for the other bidder until you reach there bid of £1.

I have to say at time this is really annoying. When there are just two bidders on something and in my example, all you would need to do is bid £1.05 and it's yours, but because ebay just adds on 5p to you last bid, you actually don't know what the other bidders top bid is.

Frustrating, but unfortunately how the system works!

MORNING MATT, THIS SEEMS MUCH TOO CONVENIENT MATE.

Would some sad person be sitting on a PC at 8 to 9am bidding at the speed of light against me on a 75p item.

Ive had bids at the last minute but the time delay to make a counter bid is usually say 10 to 20 seconds.

By the time my bid is confirmed its gone up again and again and again within seconds..

It really appears automated to me.

Anyway i cant be fussed so im making a lst bid and ............... to it theres an important Wedding to go to:D :D :D

Have a good un tonight

regards

ALAN
crazy k

[Dragonfly]

Alan what happens on ebay is an automated system .... you put in your highest bid say the video was £1 start and I put in a bid of £5 ....

the bid would only show £1 if you then bid £2 it would tell you that you have been outbid not because im sat at my pc bidding £2.05 but beacause of my higer previous bid .

ebay bids for you if you like upto the amount which you first specified. it asks you for the most you would pay for an item and bids upto that price for you not just straight in at you £5

hope that may clear it up.

[wensleydale]

you have a very cynical mind alan.
this is how all auctions work whether they be online, auction room, or DJ BIDS.....

[axeman]

ther idea is you bid the highest amount that you want to pay !! then go to your wedding. Although many many bidders bid the item up in small amounts, or even wait till the last seconds and bid your top amount then.

the guys are right its not a conspiricy its just how ebay works.

[CRAZY K]

Alan what happens on ebay is an automated system .... you put in your highest bid say the video was £1 start and I put in a bid of £5 ....

the bid would only show £1 if you then bid £2 it would tell you that you have been outbid not because im sat at my pc bidding £2.05 but beacause of my higer previous bid .

ebay bids for you if you like upto the amount which you first specified. it asks you for the most you would pay for an item and bids upto that price for you not just straight in at you £5

hope that may clear it up.


Thanks for clearing that up Dave and Matt----I like to know up front what im dealing with--seems like Im not going to get that!

Im outa here--e bay--you can keep it:D

CRAZY K

[Nathan Fleming]

Alan

Thats the way Ebay works it's called proxy bidding, and it is the automated bidding system.

Once you do get other the initial shock thats the whole fun for most people working out what the competitions max bid is and then (if that does not exceed what you want to pay) out bidding them.

What is more annoying is when you get outbid in the last few seconds of the auction, now that should be made ilegal.

[rob1963]

I have to say at times this is really annoying.
Frustrating, but unfortunately how the system works!

I've never found the automatic bidding system to be annoying or frustrating.

I think it's brilliant, as it saves you loads of time when bidding on an item.

For example: If something has a starting price of 99p, and you are prepared to pay anything up to £50, you can enter your highest bid as £50. Whenevner someone places a bid, the site will automatically bid a bit more on your behalf (up to your £50 maximum).

This saves you having to keep logging in, checking the price & placing another bid....maybe 20 or 30 times before the auction ends!

After all, I'm sure you have better things to do with your time!

[Steve 'B']

Thats the whole point in Ebay. You bid once a price that you are prepared to pay. If you win at a lot lower price than that you bid, you had a result. Generally speaking, I will bit the max price I am happy to part with for the item and leave it at that. If I get outbid.....Oh well!!

[benlewis13]

you can cheat and buy software that will bid up to your maximum and instantly up any other bid until your maximum.

[BeerFunk]

I don't see a problem in the eBay bidding system...

What would you prefer, eBay to tell you the other guy's bid, then ask you if you'd like to beat it? Now, that would be crazy!! :)

[rob1963]

Thats the whole point in Ebay. You bid once a price that you are prepared to pay. If you win at a lot lower price than that you bid, you had a result. Generally speaking, I will bit the max price I am happy to part with for the item and leave it at that. If I get outbid.....Oh well!!

Absolutely, Steve...that's exactly how I use ebay too.



INTERESTING FACT OF THE DAY:

The letter e in ebay stands for echo.

(Echo Bay Technology Group)


:)

[rob1963]

you can cheat and buy software that will bid up to your maximum and instantly up any other bid until your maximum.

Why would you want to buy technology that does that for you, when ebay does it for you anyway?

:confused:

[TonyB]

Why would you want to buy technology that does that for you, when ebay does it for you anyway?

:confused:

They are called sniping programs and they will bid for you up to your maximum bid in the closing seconds to prevent anyone else outbidding you. You don't have to be there to do it, the program does it for you.

I don't use one myself and they do do annoy both sellers and buyers as the seller might of got a higher price if the bid was placed earlier and sellers not using them can miss out in the last seconds of an auction.

[rob1963]

They are called sniping programs and they will bid for you up to your maximum bid in the closing seconds to prevent anyone else outbidding you. You don't have to be there to do it, the program does it for you.

I don't use one myself and they do do annoy both sellers and buyers as the seller might of got a higher price if the bid was placed earlier and sellers not using them can miss out in the last seconds of an auction.

Hi Tony,

Thanks for that. Ben didn't explain that those programs bid for you in the closing seconds of an auction.

Having thought about it though, ebay also automatically bids up to your maximum, including the final few seconds of the auction, so I'm still none the wiser!

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[TonyB]

Hi Tony,

Thanks for that. Ben didn't explain that those programs bid for you in the closing seconds of an auction.

Having thought about it though, ebay also automatically bids up to your maximum, including the final few seconds of the auction, so I'm still none the wiser!

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Well yes, the proxy system will automatically keep placing a bid up to your maximum bid but it gives someone time to put another bid on if they are outbid.

With a sniper program, it will bid up to your maximum bid in the closing seconds and if you outbid everyone else, it doesn't give anyone time to place another bid to out bid you. Its all down to timing.

Of course you could sit there and watch the auction until the closing seconds and quickly bung a bid in hoping it will will be accepted before the close but with a sniping program, you don't have to worry about being there when the auction ends (if, for example, it ends on a Saturday night when you are out doing a gig).

[Have a disco]

There are some parties whom have 2 ebay accounts and to keep the price moving upwards they have the other site bidder force you up its an old trick very hard to prove and generally does happen regularly

Its done quite easily as house names and numbers can be ommitted as can different banking accounts as to fool Ebay its called tandem bidders

Just go for the maximum your willing to pay it will pop up again with someone else selling it

[Cj_The_Dj]

yes there is its called bid napper it put the hiest bid some onts to go up 2 in the last second you you would be out biderd if there bid was grater than yours it has been yoused on me plenty of times i get so angry with them beacuse it is not fair

[BeerFunk]

Well, it might not seem fair in that sense, but at the end of the day, it is fair because... the highest bid wins! :)

[CRAZY K]

I don't see a problem in the eBay bidding system...

What would you prefer, eBay to tell you the other guy's bid, then ask you if you'd like to beat it? Now, that would be crazy!! :)

Well Yes ----that would be fine then there wouldnt be all this flaffing around and time wasting and I would know where I stand and could either back off or continue bidding instead of playing computer games with ebays system.

As it happens I notice this item went after I left for my booking for £1-20.

I bid £1 just as I was leaving and was immediately told it had been topped by another 20p! CU later!

Just call me a cynical suspicious person BUT after the auction closed the winning bid shows on the computer as being made 3 days before mine.:confused:

Strange as minutes before when I bid 80p it said you have been beaten by a bid of £1 made 3 days ago--all by the same person.

Then suddenly it ratchets up and says you have been beaten by a higher bid of £1-20 made 3 days before of an ever increasing amount clearly automated.:eek:

Clearly the system is not telling the true facts.

It also doesnt seem likely that someone would put a £1-20 maximum bid on the system somehow --probably something like £1 or £1-50 --do Discos charge £299-90 a night?

Im outa here--I suppose its the usual sales trick to entice people into bidding more---

And I was only bidding for a Scottish Country Dance Video to look at and then pass on to Shaun at Elite! :bang: :bang: :bang:

Subject closed for me.

CRAZY K

[wensleydale]

its not a big conspiracy alan- if it was it wouldnt be the huge success it was, however ebay do obviously want you to bid more.

simple really- bid what you want and then stop.

[BeerFunk]

If you need clarification, Crazy K, after the auction has ended, look at the page and click on the 'bid history' link. You will see the exact time and amounts of all bids placed, and you will be able to work out how it panned out :)

[CRAZY K]

If you need clarification, Crazy K, after the auction has ended, look at the page and click on the 'bid history' link. You will see the exact time and amounts of all bids placed, and you will be able to work out how it panned out :)

To be honest Ive lost the will to be bothered, but thanks for everyones advice.

CRAZY K

[CRAZY K]

its not a big conspiracy alan- if it was it wouldnt be the huge success it was, however ebay do obviously want you to bid more.

simple really- bid what you want and then stop.

Fair enough Im outa here but since when did huge success mean honesty, integrity and lack of a conspiracy?

Think of say--an outgoing Politician who has recently announced retirement ?:D :D :D

CRAZY K

[funkymike]

I dont belive it!!!!:mad: :mad:

I had a top bid on a light for 6 days, the last second it got beat by a fiver


what a con ebay is:mad: :mad:

[Dragonfly]

yesterday bid on a leather jacket .........last seconds......outbid....... 13p !!!!!

[CRAZY K]

yesterday bid on a leather jacket .........last seconds......outbid....... 13p !!!!!

Well at least it sounds as if human beings were bidding against you guys:D

CRAZY K

[Thames Valley Discos]

:D
I dont belive it!!!!:mad: :mad:

I had a top bid on a light for 6 days, the last second it got beat by a fiver


what a con ebay is:mad: :mad:

bid more next time
:D

[funkymike]

:D

bid more next time
:D

I did, over 100 pound, and it still went, it said i was the highest bidder, so really really really grrrrr...:bang:

[funkymike]

outbid at 04-Jun-07 18:44:40 BST

End date: Monday, 04 Jun, 2007 18:44:43 BST

And there a proof...a con


not happy

[wensleydale]

why a con- 3 seconds left?

the lesson is bid what you are prepared to pay.

[BeerFunk]

why a con- 3 seconds left?

the lesson is bid what you are prepared to pay.
Exactly, if you are willing to pay up to, say, £100, and someone else bids £101 (regardless of the timing of the bids), how can you complain?

[funkymike]

Exactly, if you are willing to pay up to, say, £100, and someone else bids £101 (regardless of the timing of the bids), how can you complain?

The point is this appears to happen time and time again, not just on me but loads of people have the same issue and always around that few seconds from the end. Now I know there are sniper programs (appantly) and ebay say they cant be used, but like copied cd's for sale it does happen on ebay, and they clearly dont give a monkeys hoot about either.After all, who ever wins or loses, ebay win!

Nuff said for me:bang:

[Penfold42]

like copied cd's for sale it does happen on ebay, and they clearly dont give a monkeys

:zip:

[Shaun]

, but like copied cd's for sale it does happen on ebay, and they clearly dont give a monkeys hoot about either.

To be fair, it's impossible for them to police every listing, and they are pro-active when it comes to removing listing's that are reported.

[CRAZY K]

you have a very cynical mind alan.
this is how all auctions work whether they be online, auction room, or DJ BIDS.....

Hmmm no not all auctions. Does a real auctioneer say-thats it you ran out of time:eek:

Seeing as I started this moan im glad im not totally alone. :D

It really isnt like a proper auction bid is it?

Thinking about it--the fairest way would be for the highest bidder to win--not the person who puts the highest bid in nano seconds before the "end" of the so called "auction" or even with automated programs??????????????

Downright lazy!!!!!!

It would be more interesting if the bidding was allowed to carry on past the "end" time with say a max of 30 minutes so maybe two or three interested parties could continue as they would in real life until a winning bid
errr--wins!

But there I go again--MISSION IMPOSSIBLE:eek:

CRAZY K

[funkymike]

Hmmm no not all auctions. Does a real auctioneer say-thats it you ran out of time:eek:

Seeing as I started this moan im glad im not totally alone. :D

It really isnt like a proper auction bid is it?

Thinking about it--the fairest way would be for the highest bidder to win--not the person who puts the highest bid in nano seconds before the "end" of the so called "auction" or even with automated programs??????????????

Downright lazy!!!!!!

It would be more interesting if the bidding was allowed to carry on past the "end" time with say a max of 30 minutes so maybe two or three interested parties could continue as they would in real life until a winning bid
errr--wins!

But there I go again--MISSION IMPOSSIBLE:eek:

CRAZY K

TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU :D

[Marc J]

Hmmm that'd be a good idea....when the listing ends - any bidders within, say, 10% of the winning bid go into a "closed" auction. Each could either raise or hit a "fold" button to give them a second chance and stop the "snipers".

This could be timed so that if a bidder hasn't "folded" within say, 30 mins, they're automatically ruled out.

Not that I've got anything against the system now, if you bid the most you're willing to pay, you can't really moan when it gets outibid at the last second. If you would have paid more, why didn't you bid more? The same system you're complaining about will let you have it for less than that maximum bid if nobody else comes close to it (i.e. just above the 2nd place bid).

[Dragonfly]

All this kafuffle ..... caused by....... a frenchman :quiet: :quiet: :quiet: :quiet: :quiet:

[CRAZY K]

Hmmm that'd be a good idea....when the listing ends - any bidders within, say, 10% of the winning bid go into a "closed" auction. Each could either raise or hit a "fold" button to give them a second chance and stop the "snipers".

This could be timed so that if a bidder hasn't "folded" within say, 30 mins, they're automatically ruled out.

Not that I've got anything against the system now, if you bid the most you're willing to pay, you can't really moan when it gets outibid at the last second. If you would have paid more, why didn't you bid more? The same system you're complaining about will let you have it for less than that maximum bid if nobody else comes close to it (i.e. just above the 2nd place bid).

Well yes I can moan ---the way a "proper" auction works is you dont get outbid at the last second--you just keep bidding until someone gives up.

I dont understand the last remark--BUT NEVER MIND I WONT BE BOTHERING TO BID ON ANYTHING ANYWAY:D

CRAZY K

[Marc J]

Well yes I can moan ---the way a "proper" auction works is you dont get outbid at the last second--you just keep bidding until someone gives up.

I dont understand the last remark--BUT NEVER MIND I WONT BE BOTHERING TO BID ON ANYTHING ANYWAY:D

CRAZY K

But in a proper auction you'd only bid as much as you're willing to pay. If the bidding goes on beyond that then you don't win, regardless of when the hammer drops.

An example for my last remark:

You see something you'd pay £100, which has a starting bid of £10.
If you enter a bid of £100 (your max), your actual bid will be shown as £11.
If someone else bids £12, yours is automatically upped to £13.
This goes on...so if the 2nd highest bid is only £20, you'll get it for £21, NOT the £100 you entered as your maximum.

[wensleydale]

still think your moaning about nothing- bid what you are prepared to pay and then if it goes over this you can't grumble.

you know when the auction finishes.

[CRAZY K]

But in a proper auction you'd only bid as much as you're willing to pay. If the bidding goes on beyond that then you don't win, regardless of when the hammer drops.

An example for my last remark:

You see something you'd pay £100, which has a starting bid of £10.
If you enter a bid of £100 (your max), your actual bid will be shown as £11.
If someone else bids £12, yours is automatically upped to £13.
This goes on...so if the 2nd highest bid is only £20, you'll get it for £21, NOT the £100 you entered as your maximum.

In a REAL auction you dont bid £100 --you would start at whatever the auctioneer suggests or can get--and gradually carry on bidding against the opposition as long as it takes until you got it for £21 anyway:D

Difference?

The difference is e bay is automated--which some people think may be being abused?

Spose im spoilt by the REAL auction we have in our Village Hall every year to raise funds for charity.

CRAZY K

[BeerFunk]

I still don't see the problem here!! The highest bid wins, regardless of when it is placed - it really is quite simple! :)

[Thames Valley Discos]

I still don't see the problem here!! The highest bid wins, regardless of when it is placed - it really is quite simple! :)
nor me, thats the idea of an auction, the seller to get the best price.
if someone rates an item more than you, then they win

[Marc J]

In a REAL auction you dont bid £100 --you would start at whatever the auctioneer suggests or can get--and gradually carry on bidding against the opposition as long as it takes until you got it for £21 anyway
You would bid £100 if that was your limit and the opposition bid £99, though! And if the opposition only goes to £20 you get it for £21. That's my point - ebay does this for you automatically so you don't have to keep placing bids.


The difference is e bay is automated--which some people think may be being abused?

Abused by who? Are ebay employees outbidding you by entering bids after an item closes?

No - the system is fair, everybody plays by the same rules, the end time is clearly displayed and, if you ask me, their automatic bidding system works in favour of the buyer not the seller.

[CRAZY K]

You would bid £100 if that was your limit and the opposition bid £99, though! And if the opposition only goes to £20 you get it for £21. That's my point - ebay does this for you automatically so you don't have to keep placing bids.



Abused by who? Are ebay employees outbidding you by entering bids after an item closes?

No - the system is fair, everybody plays by the same rules, the end time is clearly displayed and, if you ask me, their automatic bidding system works in favour of the buyer not the seller.

Ill make no more comments--Maybe Funky Mike would not agree that the automatic system favours a buyer :D

cheers

CRAZY K