Architectural Lighting

[Ricesnaps]

I want to be able to offer some for of indoor architectural lighting. I've seen a few people using what seem to be par cans, floor mounted pointing up a wall, making a column of colour.

I'm assuming that these are LED pars to make sure that the colour is available. However I was of the impression that LED PAR's are actually not that bright, so what type would be best for this type of application - or would a bog standard LED PAR56 work just fine. Also curious to know if it's vital to have a white wall to do this onto, or will any colour be OK?

Finally, in general with LED PAR's, can you set the colour on each unit on their own, or would you need DMX control to make sure they were all the same colour?

[Shaun]

LED Par cans seem the most obvious choice. Or perhaps a few LED DMX Floods?

dmx floods (http://www.djbargains.co.uk/DJEquipment/LEDJ-RGB-DMX-Flood-1951.aspx)

[Paul James Promotions]

The wall does need to be white or cream for the effect to look as it should. The LED pars don't really 'cut it' for the task, unless you have a very dark room. The LEDJ Flood is a better choice for this task, I have just installed 22 of them into a club.

You could easily achieve something like this (although not the same product) with about a dozen of the LEDJ units...

[DMX Will]

Jamie,
How would you go about running DMX/Lecky cables to units spread around the room? This is the one and only thing put me off saying we offer it.

[BeerFunk]

I would say this is very much outside the scope of a mobile disco. Not that there's anything wrong with branching out, and offering different services!

It would be a nice optional add-on for a wedding package :)

[Paul James Promotions]

Jamie,
How would you go about running DMX/Lecky cables to units spread around the room? This is the one and only thing put me off saying we offer it.

Depends on the room. For the event in the pic, those units have a 16 amp in and out, so power supply is a simple daisy chain, as is DMX obviously. Then it's just a case of plenty of good gaffa tape, and mounting cables over doors where required.

For standard LED fixtures, pars. floods etc you can always add one of these to each unit to make cabling easier...

[DJ Frankie]

I agree with Jamie, I work for an AV company and we use good old fashion gaffa tape to run speaker cables or dasiy chaining parcans.

[Ricesnaps]

The wall does need to be white or cream for the effect to look as it should. The LED pars don't really 'cut it' for the task, unless you have a very dark room. The LEDJ Flood is a better choice for this task, I have just installed 22 of them into a club.

You could easily achieve something like this (although not the same product) with about a dozen of the LEDJ units...

The LEDJ units are a lot more than say an LED PAR56, is there no way of doing a similar effect a little cheaper. I have seen the exact effect I want to achieve elsewhere, but I think it would be wrong of me to post the picture from that website on here without first getting permision (as it's someone some of us know!).

And yes, I have asked the person who's already doing this what they use!

[Paul James Promotions]

With a very dark room, you might get away with it, but you are going to need quite a few!

[Danno13]

When I'm in a marquee I always use the LED par 56s to uplight the roof, and they're plenty bright enough for that, so I'm sure they'd be perfectly adequate for what you need them for.

[Paul James Promotions]

When I'm in a marquee I always use the LED par 56s to uplight the roof, and they're plenty bright enough for that, so I'm sure they'd be perfectly adequate for what you need them for.

Got any pics?

[Danno13]

Take a look at this gallery - http://www.revolution-discos.co.uk/gallery/showgallery.php?gallery=65

Although, it doesn't show the effect very well as I use the flash on the camera.

[Ricesnaps]

OK, well I have an answer from the man who does this already and these are what he uses:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/eurolite_led_par_64_rgb_10_mm_leds.htm

Not a bad price either

[jamesh]

Few pics from using my pars this weekend in a marquee...

Tried to upload it but it kept failing and wouldn't let me so i got a pic from an earlier post... was going to show you a variety of shots took of them but never mind....you get the idea here..

http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2282&stc=1&d=1180976118

[Sam]

OK, well I have an answer from the man who does this already and these are what he uses:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/eurolite_led_par_64_rgb_10_mm_leds.htm

Not a bad price either

Does he have a website?
Wouldn't mind a look!!

And have you had anyone wanting this service yet?

[Ricesnaps]

Does he have a website?
Wouldn't mind a look!!

And have you had anyone wanting this service yet?

Well, I now have 4 of the Eurolite units, plan to get another four next moth and then more ready for December - have one booking (sort of a freebee) alongside my regular DJing and the possibility of another at the same venue.

It looks stunning, I just need to sort out promoting it effectively

[Sam]

cheers

whats the difference between the http://www.thomann.de/gb/eurolite_led_par_64_rgb_10_mm_leds_2.htm?partner_i d=79570 (http://www.thomann.de/gb/eurolite_led_par_64_rgb_10_mm_leds_2.htm?partner_i d=79570)and the http://www.thomann.de/gb/eurolite_led_par_64_rgb_10_mm_leds.htm

:)

[DMX Will]

cheers

whats the difference between the http://www.thomann.de/gb/eurolite_led_par_64_rgb_10_mm_leds_2.htm?partner_i d=79570 (http://www.thomann.de/gb/eurolite_led_par_64_rgb_10_mm_leds_2.htm?partner_i d=79570)and the http://www.thomann.de/gb/eurolite_led_par_64_rgb_10_mm_leds.htm

:)

The first one is ex-demo :P (Hence "Demo" on the end of it's name)

[Sam]

oh haha.
I did think that.. but wondered why the would sell it on the net **blush**

[DMX Will]

oh haha.
I did think that.. but wondered why the would sell it on the net **blush**

They're a big company, i wouldn't be suprised if they had quite a few of them to shift. If they were demo-ing them properly that is.

[Sam]

i'll have to have a look around

[Paul James Promotions]

Another way of doing it, instead of using them as uplighters...

[Sam]

hey rice..
another Q for you...

What are you using to get power to them?? what cables etc.

And.. how much are people willing to pay?

and urm.. *thinks* where are you putting the actual units? is there a chance of someone knocking them or kicking them over

[PropellerHeadCase]

Another way of doing it, instead of using them as uplighters...http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2719&stc=1&d=1190561414



That to me looks really good... REALLY good, except I don't like those flame jobbies on the side, unless they're theme-related, but I realise that's just me.

[Paul James Promotions]

That to me looks really good... REALLY good, except I don't like those flame jobbies on the side, unless they're theme-related, but I realise that's just me.

Using them less often thesedays, but the client booked them as an 'extra'.

[Ricesnaps]

hey rice..
another Q for you...

What are you using to get power to them?? what cables etc.

And.. how much are people willing to pay?

and urm.. *thinks* where are you putting the actual units? is there a chance of someone knocking them or kicking them over

Sorry for the delay!

1. Powered by standard Mains - IEC leads with splitters
2. I'm basing my prices on number of units, but £200 shouldn't be difficult as a starting point (using about 10 units)
3. Still considering how to mount them, but plant pots are looking a good idea at the moment

[PropellerHeadCase]

Using them less often thesedays, but the client booked them as an 'extra'.

Fair enough - what client wants client gets (client help us all?)

[Corabar Steve]

3. Still considering how to mount them, but plant pots are looking a good idea at the moment

I take it you've gone for the LED option?

I would've thought the heat given off by conventional lamps would...

a) melt plastic pots
&
b) crack ceramic ones

[Sam]

Sorry for the delay!

1. Powered by standard Mains - IEC leads with splitters
2. I'm basing my prices on number of units, but £200 shouldn't be difficult as a starting point (using about 10 units)
3. Still considering how to mount them, but plant pots are looking a good idea at the moment


Thank for the reply!
1. you must have a lot of cables then i pressume? :-)
2. that sounds a reasonable price.. and would give you cash to help buy some more in if needed i presume?
3. By the plant pots.. do you mean having a plant with the LED hidden behind it? or just turning the pot upside down.. or how?

Not sure how vunerable they would actually be on the floor.. they would be stable with the thomann floor standing 'square'.. but someone tripping over them could be a problem

[Paul James Promotions]

You could easily make some wood bases, paint them back, and secure using bolts.

[Sam]

You could easily make some wood bases, paint them back, and secure using bolts.

i did think of that actually :)
But whether they are from thomann or home-made.. do you think it is a bit risky putting them on the floor around say a marquee?

[Paul James Promotions]

do you think it is a bit risky putting them on the floor around say a marquee?

Not really, unless someone tips an entire drink on themm which is unlikely. They are pretty much disposable at that sort of price, so if you are charging a decent fee, they will easily pay for themselves after a handful of shows.

[Sam]

thanks for the help :-)

Can't wait to get some now..

[Ricesnaps]

Just need to work out how to market these and get the bookings now!

[pdarnett]

I think Adam Hall make some ready made bases for par cans, and I think Thomann sell them

edit

http://www.thomann.de/gb/adam_hall_38164.htm