Marquee's - Do's & Dont's

[Penfold42]

I have a provisional booking for a 'Airfield' open day. The organiser want's a disco in the evening inside a marquee.

I only have a goalpost set up at the moment not sure if that is quite right for the occassion as the ground will more than likely be uneven and the thought of that landing on someone's swede frighten's me a little....

Not done this before so any tips on the do's and dont's would be appreciated.
And any pitfalls and things to take to cover these would be great.:)

Maybe this has been covered before, if so can anyone point me in the right direction - had a quick gander in the search engine but have only managed snippets.

Thanks in advance.

[ian8limelight]

Tony,

Have a look through these, should give you some help.

http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/search.php?searchid=174589

[Vectis]

I only have a goalpost set up at the moment

Should be OK. Take a few scraps of wood and a spirit level and make sure your stand is squared off properly.



Not done this before so any tips on the do's and dont's would be appreciated.

The 3 top considerations are Power, Power and Power. There's a recent thread on here about this so not going to repeat it.

Closely followed by the (probable, depending on the marquee size) need to reinforce the sound, particularly the bass end of things, as this can be lost due to no effective reverb from walls. If you've got subs, use 'em. If you're using full-range speakers, and you've got spares, take 'em.

[CRAZY K]

Should be OK. Take a few scraps of wood and a spirit level and make sure your stand is squared off properly.



The 3 top considerations are Power, Power and Power. There's a recent thread on here about this so not going to repeat it.

Closely followed by the (probable, depending on the marquee size) need to reinforce the sound, particularly the bass end of things, as this can be lost due to no effective reverb from walls. If you've got subs, use 'em. If you're using full-range speakers, and you've got spares, take 'em.

Good advice there--also enquire about the Dance floor--I always ask ( if possible ) for it to be not right against the back of the MQ but a few feet forwards so you set up on grass immediately in front of the Dance Floor.

Then its used to the max by the Dancers--the reason being invariably the Dance floor isnt big enough and if your using CDs theres no risk of vibration.

Thats my experience anyway.

Oh and dont share an electrical supply lead with other people like-Catering, Rodeo Bull etc---fatal mistake:eek: :eek: :eek:

CRAZY K

[DMX Will]

Rodeo Bull

LMAO! :D:D

[colint]

if it's a pro marquee I always take some chain and put a safety fix from my astralite to the frame of the marquee "just in case" better safe than sorry,

also beware of generators on you kit unless it's a big comercial thing not many of them can run at constant voltage

long extensition leads are the order of the day!!

[CRAZY K]

LMAO! :D:D

NO LAUGHING:(

My power was wiped out in a Marquee by some idiot running a Rodeo Bull on the same circuit as mine, which i didnt realise:eek:

It fried the mains cable and blew the lot.

Luckily I had my own separate mains cable which I got out the car and used--telling the Rodeo Bull man to find his own power source:D :D :D

CRAZY K


if it's a pro marquee I always take some chain and put a safety fix from my astralite to the frame of the marquee "just in case" better safe than sorry,

also beware of generators on you kit unless it's a big comercial thing not many of them can run at constant voltage

long extensition leads are the order of the day!!

See my post--re overloading:eek:

CRAZY K

[flatliners]

yes i worked a marquee and the main generator packed in so had to use the smaller spare and wasnt powerfull enough and blew my compression drivers on my jbl eon 15g2 so be carefull
also can blow bulds on lighting effects

[spin mobile disco]

Been offered a short notice disco in a marque this weekend, wasnt going to take it as have baby on way due this week but wife pointed out we need the money so off I go.
Planning on taking my surge protecion for everything and only taking low wattage effects to minimise chance of spikes.
Going to be my first marque in quite a while just hope its ok.

[Creature]

Take a plastic sheet with you, i use them big sheets about £10.00 for 20 x 18 ft.

lay this on the grass (if no stage present) folded several times. then build your goal post on top. I also have a selection of small pieces of wood or various thicknesses which you then use to square things off.

If using base bins and tops on a pole - I try and borrow couple of strong tables and stick the base bins ontop and then the tops (not using the pole). If none avail make sure your bins are sitting evenly.

Always use a surge protector, especially if on a genny.

I have various caravan leads with sockets made up so if there is caravan type hookups i can use those (either use 1 x 32 or 2 x 16 amp sockets).

dont use too many topp lights ( i usually use 2 pairs ) i pair on the floor other pair on the roof - but may not need both pairs switched on depending on size or marquee.

If your using graphics of any kind start with them flat - 99% of the time in marquees this will give the best sound.

if your leaving rig up over night then cover the rig with a ground sheet - making sure plenty of ventilation around the bottom 0 this will stop the condensation dripping all over your equipment over night.

[pagan_flame]

Always use a surge protector, especially if on a genny.

...and while you're at it, also get yourself a mains tester plug (a fiver --> HERE (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Mains-Power-Electrical-240v-Plug-in-Socket-Tester_W0QQitemZ180126699108QQihZ008QQcategoryZ400 04QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) <--) which will tell you if the socket you are plugging in to is wired correctly! I did a biker gig where, when I checked the sockets, live and neutral had been reversed, they said 'well the lights are working OK so it'll be alright, won't it...?' :eek:

[rob1963]

I have a provisional booking for a 'Airfield' open day. The organiser want's a disco in the evening inside a marquee.

I only have a goalpost set up at the moment not sure if that is quite right for the occassion as the ground will more than likely be uneven and the thought of that landing on someone's swede frighten's me a little....

Not done this before so any tips on the do's and dont's would be appreciated.
And any pitfalls and things to take to cover these would be great.:)

Maybe this has been covered before, if so can anyone point me in the right direction - had a quick gander in the search engine but have only managed snippets.

Thanks in advance.

Hi Big Chief!

In my experience, these are the 4 main things to be aware of when working in a marquee:

1) Uneven ground. This cannot be helped, and basically means that you'll probably have to put piles of business cards, bits of wood etc under your stands to make them level. This looks a bit toilet, but can't be helped.

2) Power. Most professional marquee companies will supply power leads from the nearest building to the marquee, but you can't assume that...so check with them first.

3) Height restrictions. Depending on the size of the marquee, you will be at one edge, where the roof is at it's lowest...so depending on your set up, the height available might be less than you require.

4) Don't set up on a dancefloor. Sometimes, the dancefloor takes up a large area going right to the edge of the marquee & you are expected to set up on it. Don't...or your CDs will be skating all over the place...even more than Torville & Dean!

That's about all I can think of.

:)

[Ricesnaps]

4) Don't set up on a dancefloor. Sometimes, the dancefloor takes up a large area going right to the edge of the marquee & you are expected to set up on it. Don't...or your CDs will be skating all over the place...even more than Torville & Dean!

That's about all I can think of.

:)

It would be a funny old world if we actually agreed on something.

In my experience - and the last two years have seen me in a number of marquees, the dance floor is probably actually the best place to set up. it's likely to be the most level and even surface in the whole place. personally I've never seen my CD's skate away anywhere!

[rob1963]

It would be a funny old world if we actually agreed on something.

Maybe it IS a funny old world then...because you only disagreed with ONE of my four points about marquees! :eek: :eek: :eek:

My comment about setting up on a dancefloor was based on my own experience from many years ago in the days of vinyl, when the records were skipping every second or two, which completely ruined things...until I moved my console OFF the dance floor.

I guess the same thing could still happen today with CD players...if they didn't have anti-shock.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Even with anti-shock, trust me.

I had two candidates for Mr Blobby's understudy jumping across the floor, completely out of time with the music, past my mixer, on a marquee floor... ruined the track AND the mix :(

[Penfold42]

Hey thanks poeple..some good tips...keep them coming if you have anymore.
Love this site for info ...just ask and it's yours....:)

Checking through marquee search as well - nice bed time reading....:rolleyes:

Meeting the customer on site Monday to see where everthing is going on...let you know then.

Thanks once again.:thumbs_up:

[Ricesnaps]

Hey thanks poeple..some good tips...keep them coming if you have anymore.
Love this site for info ...just ask and it's yours....:)

Checking through marquee search as well - nice bed time reading....:rolleyes:

Meeting the customer on site Monday to see where everthing is going on...let you know then.

Thanks once again.:thumbs_up:

Whatever you do, don't worry or let the fact that it's a marquee get in the way. Particularly in the wedding market, marquees are quite a popular option. The professionally set and run ones can be really safe and easy, but even then remember the comments given. An uneven floor was exactly why I didn't use the poles between my subs and tops last Saturday.

[theoloyla]

I have done lots of marquee jobs over the years and all of the advice here is good. I too would advise against setting up on the dance floor. My experience is that they move, bounce, vibrate etc and cause no end of problems.

[Tony Scott]

Some great advice given, I would just like to say that in my opinion the most important factor is the power supply, I have only ever had 4 power drop-outs in 23 years - these have all been in Marquees!!
As most of us are using PC's nowdays this situation is even more critical.

At a marquee wedding 2 weeks ago I was assured by the contractor in advance that I would have 2 X 16amp supplies, one for the lights, one for the sound.
When I got there I checked it out and found I had been given one 6amp supply which had been run from the gardeners workshop, I was told that this is what all the DJ's used & was accused of just being awkward! :bang:

Needless to say the supply failed the instant I turned the lights on. As I was setting up early I had time to run my own cables.
I carry very long 16 & 32amp cables just for this situation together with every type of adaptor and plug/socket combination I could ever need.

TAKE LOTS OF CABLES!! :)

[PropellerHeadCase]

If you're talking with the hirer and the marquee supplier see if you can get a second smaller dancefloor to set up on ;)

I bought a power-conditioner/surge-protector for my rig on Friday as my Saturday gig was at the same venue where I had a slight power spike that temporarily screwed my pre-amp/X-over a few weeks back. The night went perfectly and, as an added bonus, the power conditioner nixed the earth hum that I had experienced the previous gig - exactly the same gear in exactly the same location, the ONLY thing different was the power conditioner.

[CRAZY K]

If you're talking with the hirer and the marquee supplier see if you can get a second smaller dancefloor to set up on ;)

I bought a power-conditioner/surge-protector for my rig on Friday as my Saturday gig was at the same venue where I had a slight power spike that temporarily screwed my pre-amp/X-over a few weeks back. The night went perfectly and, as an added bonus, the power conditioner nixed the earth hum that I had experienced the previous gig - exactly the same gear in exactly the same location, the ONLY thing different was the power conditioner.

Alan, whats a power conditioner--I already have surge protected plugboards

thanks

CRAZY K

[PropellerHeadCase]

A power conditioner ensures that the AC power you get to your devices is a perfect and clean sine-wave - not dirty-power or interference. Surge-protected plug boards catch the big zaps but a power conditioner stops the small variation you get in power from causing problems with anything that has PCBs or micro-electronics. I have my CD-players, mixer, pre-amp/X-Over/EQ (DBX processor), and lap-top.

Professional recording studios use regularly them (if they're sensible) as they improve sound recording quality significantly.

My one cost me about $300 (including enough 'tails' to plug in four devices), so I'd guess that you'd be looking at about £100.

[CRAZY K]

A power conditioner ensures that the AC power you get to your devices is a perfect and clean sine-wave - not dirty-power or interference. Surge-protected plug boards catch the big zaps but a power conditioner stops the small variation you get in power from causing problems with anything that has PCBs or micro-electronics. I have my CD-players, mixer, pre-amp/X-Over/EQ (DBX processor), and lap-top.

Professional recording studios use regularly them (if they're sensible) as they improve sound recording quality significantly.

My one cost me about $300 (including enough 'tails' to plug in four devices), so I'd guess that you'd be looking at about £100.

Thanks Alan,

Perfect and clean sine-wave - not dirty-power or interference.

News to me im afraid.

Never had a problem with this in 30 years (that im aware of ) other than a Lager Chiller thermostat that kept cutting across the mains and crackling over the speakers---good news though--the lager was cold :beer1:

Mind you everything was pretty low tech when I started:)

£100 for four--is that four separate pieces of sound equipment?

thanks

Alan
CRAZY K

[dj-jaym]

Never do it !.

See my thread in the disco forum

[Penfold42]

Have seen the venue today...no genny...power from the club house...:)

I have a marquee all to myself...lucky old me..
Bit of an odd chat though....Asked how many reply was '200 to a 500....':eek: so he thought, cant see that myself.
So I mentioned 'If it was for that many I would need to increase the sound system and that would cost.' He didn't like that so said 'Just play to the people around this area then.'

Ground was a bit uneven but with the tips from this tread should get that covered.

After reading dj-jaym's thread...I got ready to cancel.
Hope you get sorted mate.


Never do it !.

See my thread in the disco forum

[Excalibur]

Have seen the venue today...no genny...power from the club house...:)

I have a marquee all to myself...lucky old me..
Bit of an odd chat though....Asked how many reply was '200 to a 500....':eek: so he thought, cant see that myself.
So I mentioned 'If it was for that many I would need to increase the sound system and that would cost.' He didn't like that so said 'Just play to the people around this area then.'

Ground was a bit uneven but with the tips from this tread should get that covered.

After reading dj-jaym's thread...I got ready to cancel.
Hope you get sorted mate.

At this point I am wondering if I should have taken the Marquee/Generator gig that I did today!!!:confused: :confused:

I hope Jaym gets some refund for his gear, sounds to me like a very iffy generator output. Don't want to tempt fate, but I have had less problems with generators than with supplies from houses, we all know the situation where you, the lights, the catering company, and the bar are on one extension lead, don't we??!!:bang:

It's amazing how people think one 13amp cable is going to run everything sometimes.

[Penfold42]

Don't want to tempt fate, but I have had less problems with generators than with supplies from houses, we all know the situation where you, the lights, the catering company, and the bar are on one extension lead, don't we??!!:bang:

It's amazing how people think one 13amp cable is going to run everything sometimes.

Thanks for the kiss of death..now going around the house praying and touching lot's of wooden object's!!! ;)

I have been in the club house and ear marked 2 double sockets...so hopefully the guy will keep his word.
I am looking forward to doing this as it also pushes the comfort zone as it is a fair bit away....:)

[PropellerHeadCase]

Thanks Alan,

Perfect and clean sine-wave - not dirty-power or interference.

News to me im afraid.

Never had a problem with this in 30 years (that im aware of ) other than a Lager Chiller thermostat that kept cutting across the mains and crackling over the speakers---good news though--the lager was cold :beer1:

Mind you everything was pretty low tech when I started:)

£100 for four--is that four separate pieces of sound equipment?

Believe me, the quality of the sound and the life of your electronic equipment (lap-top, mixer, etc.) will be improved. To give you an idea, my lap-top did faster searches and was more responsive when plugged into it.

One piece of equipment with four connectors (which you buy individually).

[CRAZY K]

Believe me, the quality of the sound and the life of your electronic equipment (lap-top, mixer, etc.) will be improved. To give you an idea, my lap-top did faster searches and was more responsive when plugged into it.

One piece of equipment with four connectors (which you buy individually).

Thanks Alan, just call me an old cynic--most people do--but better quality sound from different types of electricity--:eek:

I can just about see the extra power argument--but dont get the sound thing--or is that because the amps/ mixers are then performing to their maximum potential?

Am I dreaming:D

regards

CRAZY K

[Dragonfly]

not reading this thread anymore :D :D :D

I have 2 marquee jobs in the next 2 weeks and am ROB-ING it :Rob James: done only one in the past before I knew of all these pitfalls went well two plug sockets so just did what i normally do etc. evening was fine no problems at all.

have the website of one of the companies supplying the marquee/power is it worth giving them a ring and asking if i will need anything specific that i may not have?

[CRAZY K]

not reading this thread anymore :D :D :D

I have 2 marquee jobs in the next 2 weeks and am ROB-ING it :Rob James: done only one in the past before I knew of all these pitfalls went well two plug sockets so just did what i normally do etc. evening was fine no problems at all.

have the website of one of the companies supplying the marquee/power is it worth giving them a ring and asking if i will need anything specific that i may not have?

I would speak to them both --even if you have go through your client as a courtesy call--go on the lines of --well im making sure the power will be adequate, safe and properly stabilised-- because if it blows up my equipment you wont have any music and it wont be MY fault.#

You could say to the Contractor--if your generator blows up my equipment you are insured arent you:eek: or you will pay for the damage. Yes ?

Dave, I will leave it up to you whether you go on to say--as I did for my next gig and of course if it blows up my equipment im not covered by my insurance ( im not sure about that)
so I will have to make a claim for the repairs from someone:eek:

Hint Hint

I then offered my 30 metre mains lead and suddenly the generator wasnt getting used---

Difficult one but you have to protect yourself because if things go wrong

1. You get your gear wrecked

2. dont get paid

3. Ruin someones function.

POTENTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE INCOMPETENCE OF SOME CHEAP JACK CONTRACTOR WHO DOESNT CARE.

Im painting a black picture here because---

IT JUST HAPPENDED TO SOMEONE YOU KNOW

The good news would be if the Contractor belongs to some professional association ( like MDA) where the members work to high professional standards or they are an upmarket expensive outfit which charge a lot of money and do the job properly--which luckily is what i have come across myself.

Another indicator--are the clients the sort who goes for the cheapest all the time or have decided to do things properly?

As an example if someone phoned up and said were holding a Barn Dance in a field and the Marquee is supplied by the Scouts and someone is arranging a generator--I would say no thanks im booked!

On the other hand I did a Corporate function on which they spent THOUSANDS( not on me) and an upmarket Wedding at the Northamptonshire Golf Club where everything was very professional at both events with massive generators which were superb.

Anyone talking Hire shops for generators---avoid :eek:

My top tip--speak to your Disco Shop--if they have technical knowledge-- and run it past them for advice--if you dont have one let mwe know and ill put you in touch with mine--

They owe me a few favours after all the stuff I buy from them!!!!!!!!!!!

regards

ALAN
CRAZY K

[PropellerHeadCase]

Thanks Alan, just call me an old cynic--most people do--but better quality sound from different types of electricity--:eek:

I can just about see the extra power argument--but dont get the sound thing--or is that because the amps/ mixers are then performing to their maximum potential?

That's EXACTLY correct! The same as, say, a clogged fuel injector.

The constancy of the flow of power absolutely dictates how well the equipment will work as the equipment has been designed to run with a specific amount of power at a constant level.

[theoloyla]

The good news would be if the Contractor belongs to some professional association ( like MDA) where the members work to high professional standards or they are an upmarket expensive outfit which charge a lot of money and do the job properly--which luckily is what i have come across myself.


ALAN
CRAZY K
As I said recently in another thread putting that you are a member of a particular body doesnt neccessarily guarantee anything. For instance what protection does a dj belonging to the MDA give the public?

[CRAZY K]

As I said recently in another thread putting that you are a member of a particular body doesnt neccessarily guarantee anything. For instance what protection does a dj belonging to the MDA give the public?

There are certain Professional Associations which exist who require their members to act in a professional way, maintain and improve standards and abide by certain rules and regulations.

I agree and appreciate often these do not mean a great deal as far as consumer protection is concerned but I think most of the firms that belong to them genuinely try to uphold the best professional standards and a Hire Contractor belonging to maybe the Hire Association of Europe may well be a better bet than some Cowboy down the road.

Ill bet the Contractor who has apparently caused this problem is not a member of anything like that!

CRAZY K

[Dragonfly]

first marquee job done no problems at all good night had by all set up looked really smart in the marquee...... both the clients i have yesterday and next week have put all my gear on their insurance incase of disaster..

only problem last night was that as i was doing a swing set/background music through the wedding breakfast the caterers were haveing a misfiring piece of equipment and no less than 5 times pulled the wrong plug out to have a look at it ........... the extension in question ...................my sound system. as said was a great night got home at 3am and now 6am and off to birmingham to do a store promotion. tired doent anywhere near cover it.

[CRAZY K]

the caterers were haveing a misfiring piece of equipment and no less than 5 times pulled the wrong plug out to have a look at it ........... the extension in question ...................my sound system

True professionals eh Dave:D

HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT TAKE A CATERER TO REMEMBER A PLUG--

5 TIMES :eek:

Ah well Im taking my own 16amp heavy duty cable tonight for my MQ job and thats going nowhere near the Caterers:D

Birmingham--is that a suburb of Derby:D

regards

CRAZY K

[Dragonfly]

well day two in birmingham a total success too good fun day surrounded by glamorous ladies giving me free samles of expensive aftershave to help them reach targets and promote their counters...... hard life.

catering thing a nightmare ... dollards!!!! still bride and groom both worked in raf so finished with new york new york then into top gun theme ... everyone loved it .... turned out the groom was a fighter pilot.

a suburb of derby .... maybe if derby was 70 miles across lololol can finally sleep now before my next gig on wednesday .

[Penfold42]

You must be cream crackered.

Glad to hear the marquee sort of went alright....if you know what I mean.
Makes me feel slighty more happy when doing mine in two weeks time.

[Dragonfly]

thats the beauty of this forum ... because of this thread i have been able to prepare as professionally as possible and sa***uard my business as much as possible for my 2 ... last friday 10am - 1am then this coming saturday 9pm - 1am so thanks for all the input everyone. tony hope you are still up for july 12th. mate.

[Penfold42]

tony hope you are still up for july 12th. mate.

Absolutly...in the diary.
Looking forward to watching how the pro's do it...hope to get lots of tips.
I will be in touch nearer the time.:)

[Dragonfly]

Absolutly...in the diary.
Looking forward to watching how the pro's do it...hope to get lots of tips.
I will be in touch nearer the time.:)

cool will there be some pro's there ?? might be able to pick up some tips myself in that case :D :D

[Penfold42]

cool will there be some pro's there ?? might be able to pick up some tips myself in that case :D :D

:lol: I asked for that.......

[Penfold42]

I'm thinking of buying waders....have you clocked the weather out there recently.... as you know Lincolnshire has plenty of hills and drainage....:)

[Cj_The_Dj]

just think how you are geting power to your rig ? genys i dont do peroisnly but if you use one make shure its a good 1

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

just think how you are geting power to your rig ? genys i dont do peroisnly but if you use one make shure its a good 1

CJ

Can you maybe start using some kind of spell checker. Your posts are becoming increasingly difficult to read with the bad spelling. Thanks. :)

[Tony Scott]

CJ

Can you maybe start using some kind of spell checker. Your posts are becoming increasingly difficult to read with the bad spelling. Thanks. :)

know xcuse four bad spolling & granma!!!

[dj-jaym]

just think how you are geting power to your rig ? genys i dont do peroisnly but if you use one make shure its a good 1

Define good one cj ?

Also it doesnt matter how good the genny is if its setup incorrectly u will come foul of it ! and the damage can be not very nice to ur gear

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Define good one cj ?

Also it doesnt matter how good the genny is if its setup incorrectly u will come foul of it ! and the damage can be not very nice to ur gear

I will say this one more time before I start deleting posts.

PLEASE STOP USING TEXT SPEAK/TALK ON THE FORUM.

THANK YOU.

[Penfold42]

I will say this one more time before I start deleting posts.

PLEASE STOP USING TEXT SPEAK/TALK ON THE FORUM.

THANK YOU.

:sofa: :)

[Tony Scott]

:sofa: :)

LOL, or should I say: 'I have just laughed out loud!' :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

:sofa: :)

I gave up smoking yesterday remember? :mad: :mad: :mad:

So everyone had better stay behind their sofa's for the next month at least. :riceandrob: :D :(

[Penfold42]

I gave up smoking yesterday remember? :mad: :mad: :mad:

So everyone had better stay behind their sofa's for the next month at least. :riceandrob: :D :(

1st day....keep it up mate. :)
Although I wouldn't like to be in you house today.....:D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

1st day....keep it up mate. :)
Although I wouldn't like to be in you house today.....:D

Actually, I have been quite mellow today :cool:

[Penfold42]

I will say this one more time before I start deleting posts.

PLEASE STOP USING TEXT SPEAK/TALK ON THE FORUM.

THANK YOU.


Actually, I have been quite mellow today :cool:

So I see.....:rolleyes: :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

So I see.....:rolleyes: :D

That is me being mellow - you haven't met me (yet:eek: )

Anyway, I was talking about here, in the real world, not in forum land. ;)

[Dragonfly]

not in forum land. ;)

Ive been there .... just off the M6 junction 12 its great some excellent fun to be had for the whole family

[Penfold42]

Quick update...they cancelled.

Recieved an e-mail today saying -
Tony
Sorry about this, have been asked to cancel you for the xxxxxxxx event.
I understand the deposit is non refundable.
Apologies for the cancellation.

Easy £50 ever....so I replied -
Ron.
Thank you for the e-mail. Sorry to hear that I am not required, (nothing personal I hope!)

Please bear me in mind for any further events, I would honour your deposit for any future booking withing the next 6 months.
All the best

Tony Brown.

Do you think that's fair?
I do.

[Corabar Steve]

Very

[Spirits High]

more than

[CRAZY K]

Quick update...they cancelled.

Recieved an e-mail today saying -
Tony
Sorry about this, have been asked to cancel you for the xxxxxxxx event.
I understand the deposit is non refundable.
Apologies for the cancellation.

Easy £50 ever....so I replied -
Ron.
Thank you for the e-mail. Sorry to hear that I am not required, (nothing personal I hope!)

Please bear me in mind for any further events, I would honour your deposit for any future booking withing the next 6 months.
All the best

Tony Brown.

Do you think that's fair?
I do.


Well done--your learning---NON REFUNABLE DEPOSIT-- if it was less than 30 days to go I would ask for full fee( IN THE CONTRACT) as it may be difficult to find another gig.

I used a chunky Arctic Cable Mains lead 2.5mm around 16 amps plus for my last marquee and that was fine for my equipment--but I dont use a lot of lights--2 Dynatwins, 2 Moonflowers and 4 large coloured floodlights.

CRAZY K

[Penfold42]

Well done--your learning---NON REFUNABLE DEPOSIT-- if it was less than 30 days to go I would ask for full fee( IN THE CONTRACT) as it may be difficult to find another gig.

I used a chunky Arctic Cable Mains lead 2.5mm around 16 amps plus for my last marquee and that was fine for my equipment--but I dont use a lot of lights--2 Dynatwins, 2 Moonflowers and 4 large coloured floodlights.

CRAZY K

It was less that 30 day's to go but decided to waver this as being a new company trying to get my name about as a fair company...it's a trade off.
Now you may think how mad...but he may just mention this to other people about being a fair company.

Was looking forward to doing this outside.....but maybe next time.

Any way thanks for all the tips..:)

[Dragonfly]

Tony did you ask for a reason ? may have swayed my reply lolol oooh wait for the stick .....

"we have had a family disaster of some kind and we have decided to cancel"

your answer

"we've found bob who will do it for £50" mmmm may well still owe me then. :D :D :D

[Penfold42]

Tony did you ask for a reason ? may have swayed my reply lolol oooh wait for the stick .....

"we have had a family disaster of some kind and we have decided to cancel"

your answer

"we've found bob who will do it for £50" mmmm may well still owe me then. :D :D :D

:rolleyes: Good points.....my friend.

They probably did....part of me wanted to this marquee and part of me didn't but that was only due to the weather conditions at the moment.....'Excuse me sir but you seem to sinking into the ground...' :eek:

Probably re-think contract as my contract is not quite there....but each new gig throws up different twist's so fine adjustments are required.

It's all in the learning curve.....and would rather get these out of the way now.

[theoloyla]

Glad I'm not in a marquee this weekend. Any Dj's been affected by the floods?

[Penfold42]

"we've found bob who will do it for £50" mmmm may well still owe me then. :D :D :D


Glad I'm not in a marquee this weekend. Any Dj's been affected by the floods?

Rang the guy this evening.......bogged out.....nice one.:)

[Dragonfly]

im in one tomorrow taking my trolleys a lilo and an outboard instead of a genny.

[Penfold42]

im in one tomorrow taking my trolleys a lilo and an outboard instead of a genny.

Wish you all the best....

[TONYTIGER]

Hi ,six marquee jobs this week and three next week also did two days at Glastonbury im running out of dry cloths but the gear is standing up to it bit of mud never did anybody any harm and its wonderfull for my complextion.On a more serious note somebody did mention power conditioners, i have allways used one for all gigs.Art make a nice one its 1u x19" has 8XIEC outs also has a volt meter so you know you are getting the right voltage as it can drop off with long cable runs,it also has 2x pullout lights to light your rack very handy and costs about £75 got mine from Absolute Music in Poole. TONYTIGER

[Penfold42]

also did two days at Glastonbury

Now that's wet.....any good - Glastonbury I mean?

[TONYTIGER]

Now that's wet.....any good - Glastonbury I mean?
Yeh watching Shirley made me realise ive got another 10 years in me.from the oldest dj around TONYTIGER

[Jiggles]

im in one tomorrow taking my trolleys a lilo and an outboard instead of a genny.

I can just imagine that: you a large lilo and you equipment! What a sight :lol: :D

[Penfold42]

How did it go Dragon....?

[CRAZY K]

It really makes you wonder how much people think about outdoor Venues.

Good one last night--speaking to a Bride who came along to one of my bookings about her venue--its next Summer--she said we want the dancing outside as its not very big in the main hall.

Ah--a Marquee? No outside in the gardens :(

Fine if im covered over--but then what if it rains all night I said.

Answer--Oh its summer it probably wont rain:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Dont think im going to be available for that one:bang: :bang: :bang:

CRAZY K

[Dragonfly]

It really makes you wonder how much people think about outdoor Venues.

Good one last night--speaking to a Bride who came along to one of my bookings about her venue--its next Summer--she said we want the dancing outside as its not very big in the main hall.

Ah--a Marquee? No outside in the gardens :(

Fine if im covered over--but then what if it rains all night I said.

Answer--Oh its summer it probably wont rain:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Dont think im going to be available for that one:bang: :bang: :bang:

CRAZY K

ive got this exact thing tonight crazy im under a gazebo in someones garden ....... tables etc set out outside under one of those 150 quid big gazebo things , no dancefloor more interestingly no lighting in the gazebos except candles on tables ..... im in for a nightmare rig looks naff because im squeezed into a 4ft sq place.... the bit im under is a asda gazebo job you know a square one 20 quid thing. no space to dance unless you move tables . if you move tables no space to sit no heating and its on a windy hill side. yes i did visit the venue but it was sold to me lets say ..... slightly differently.

right botch job.

if it rains im in for a quiet night which i think it will be anyway things i get talked into .

[CRAZY K]

ive got this exact thing tonight crazy im under a gazebo in someones garden ....... tables etc set out outside under one of those 150 quid big gazebo things , no dancefloor more interestingly no lighting in the gazebos except candles on tables ..... im in for a nightmare rig looks naff because im squeezed into a 4ft sq place.... the bit im under is a asda gazebo job you know a square one 20 quid thing. no space to dance unless you move tables . if you move tables no space to sit no heating and its on a windy hill side. yes i did visit the venue but it was sold to me lets say ..... slightly differently.

right botch job.

if it rains im in for a quiet night which i think it will be anyway things i get talked into .

Take the money----keep smiling--:D on to the next one Dave:D :D :D

Actually the weather in East Northants here has been just like a REAL July day--sun, blue sky NO RAIN!!!

Im in a MQ tonight im sure they havent got a Jenny--Ive got my 40 metres of mains cable in the car just in case:D

CRAZY K

[theoloyla]

Provided you are in the dry then let them get on with it and best of luck. NEVER and I mean NEVER take a gig where you are exposed to the elements.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Sounds to me like he will be exposed to the element. Straight downpour, no problem, but even the merest huff of wind, which sounds probable, and 4ft square won't cover squat!

[Tom]

Theres some really good advice in this thread. Just read it all and it saves me posting a new thread. See, the search bar does help. lol.

Got my first marque disco...in the clients back garden. should be intresting. just worried about the rain as its in may. might have to go to B&Q for some plastic sheeting.

[Dragonfly]

Theres some really good advice in this thread. Just read it all and it saves me posting a new thread. See, the search bar does help. lol.

Got my first marque disco...in the clients back garden. should be intresting. just worried about the rain as its in may. might have to go to B&Q for some plastic sheeting.

make sure it is a marquee and not a scout tent/gazebo ..... some people have very odd ideas of what a marquee actually is ! :D :D

[rob1963]

Got my first marque disco...in the clients back garden. should be intresting. just worried about the rain as its in may.

Why are you worried about the rain if it's in a marquee?

:confused:

[Dragonfly]

Why are you worried about the rain if it's in a marquee?

:confused:

if this year is anything like last year the fact it's in a marquee is no comfort whatsoever as the water is likely to be coming from round the sides !!!!! as I recall the walls on marquees arent that good? :D :D :D :D

[rob1963]

if this year is anything like last year the fact it's in a marquee is no comfort whatsoever as the water is likely to be coming from round the sides !!!!! as I recall the walls on marquees arent that good? :D :D :D :D

Fair comment, Dave.

I only do about 1 marquee gig a year, but I recall last year's one was in someone's back garden and it had been raining...so things were a bit muddy!

[Creature]

Why are you worried about the rain if it's in a marquee?

Also condesation a big issue - if your leaving rig off for any perion cover up with a big ground sheet - just rememeber to leave a 2- 4 foot gap all around teh bottom to allow it to breathe otherwise condesation will form inside teh cover defeating the idea.

[Penfold42]

make sure it is a marquee and not a scout tent/gazebo ..... some people have very odd ideas of what a marquee actually is ! :D :D

Check it out as soon as......
Make sure you also have enough room.......last one i did...i was pinned in the corner..........or better still tell the customer what room / space you require...:)

[Tom]

Why are you worried about the rain if it's in a marquee?

:confused:


if this year is anything like last year the fact it's in a marquee is no comfort whatsoever as the water is likely to be coming from round the sides !!!!! as I recall the walls on marquees arent that good? :D :D :D :D


Spot on. :)


Check it out as soon as......
Make sure you also have enough room.......last one i did...i was pinned in the corner..........or better still tell the customer what room / space you require...:)

I spoke to the client on the phone and she says its 6 meters wide and 9 meters long. To me thats seems quite big for a garden party. But as this is my first for a home/marque disco im not to sure. She also says that there will be someone doing ambient lighting so i guess it muste be a proper marque.

I know this have nothing to do with it but i did a google on the road name and there are houses selling for £500,000+ so i take they must hae some cash. :)

[PropellerHeadCase]

I know this have nothing to do with it but i did a google on the road name and there are houses selling for £500,000+ so i take they must hae some cash. :)

Or a really big mortgage ;)

[Dragonfly]

or be high maintenence squatters????

[Corabar Steve]

Or incredibly rich gnomes

[Penfold42]

I spoke to the client on the phone and she says its 6 meters wide and 9 meters long. To me thats seems quite big for a garden party. But as this is my first for a home/marque disco im not to sure. She also says that there will be someone doing ambient lighting so i guess it muste be a proper marque.
I not saying it's not a proper marquee.....:) ...all i am saying is...when they put it up, just get round there and 'stake your claim to land fella'......it soon fills up...and land becomes a premium - then all of a sudden where am i.....
that's all....:)


Or incredibly rich gnomes

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B_YhN_mwPUY&feature=related
:D

[Corabar Steve]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B_YhN_mwPUY&feature=related
:D

There was actually a proper video for that

[PropellerHeadCase]

Or incredibly rich gnomes

From Zurich?

[Corabar Steve]

Only the ones with Toblerones

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I have a marquee function next week. The marquee is about 100 feet from the venue (pub) so I have gone out and purchased a 50 metre heavy duty double extension lead. I met with the marquee people last week and talked through things and it all seems ok. I am putting in bass bins and full range too and am only going to use my LED lights.

[Tom]

I just hope my two 25 meter extentions will be long enough. :(

[Shakermaker Promotions]

I went to Homebase and got the 50m extension. It was £34.99.

[Tom]

not bad i guess. does have a rcd with it???

[Shakermaker Promotions]

Er, explain please...rcd?

[Corabar Steve]

residual current device (RCD), circuit breaker

[CRAZY K]

I went to Homebase and got the 50m extension. It was £34.99.

Id make sure its got a heavy duty rating--amps wise

I bought one for Marquees as recommended by my DJ Shop--16 amp blue ARCTIC heavy duty--

Like this

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Index/Flex_Artic_Yellow_or_Blue/index.html

CRAZY K

[Shakermaker Promotions]

It's this one made by JCB
http://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=20001&partNumber=9828094

[Impactdisco]

Id make sure its got a heavy duty rating--amps wise

I bought one for Marquees as recommended by my DJ Shop--16 amp blue ARCTIC heavy duty--

Like this

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Index/Flex_Artic_Yellow_or_Blue/index.html

CRAZY K

I bought a 300ft roll of this and cut it into 4 x 75 ft lengths for jobs such as this. I also had some other varying lengths of this already. Because the cable is heavy duty is doesn't have such a big drop in voltage when you run out real long lengths of it.

[CRAZY K]

It's this one made by JCB
http://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=20001&partNumber=9828094

Just make sure you dont use it with cable on the reel when drawing serious amounts of power--or you will smell molten plastic followed by power failure:D

CRAZY K

[Corabar Steve]

& you'll have an electro magnet :sj:

Although some reels have a wound rating as well as unwound

[CRAZY K]

& you'll have an electro magnet :sj:

Although some reels have a wound rating as well as unwound

Or a nice electric fire--

Think I would be tempted to unwind it if using full Disco rig plus lighting--:D

I worked with a muppet ( pikey) who had a Rodeo Bull connected like this--blew up all our mains power--pillock:eek:

Lucky I had a spare 100 feet of cable--:D :D :D

CRAZY K

[addoaddo]

If you are drawing 13A on the cable the maxmium recommend length for 2.5mm cable is only 30m due to volatge drop and earth loop resistance.

All cabling for outside event should comply with BS7909. This does not allow normal 13A plugs and socket to be used exteranlly due to the chance of water getting in and causing potentially dangerous situation. The recommened cables are rubber Ho7 which is designed for this situation. Artic cable is not recommeend as it offers very little protection to the cable.

Unless you have the right equipment get some one else to provide power inside the marquee as your insurance may not cover you if you install a power system that is not up to standard.

It may seem harsh by Marquees are seen by H & S as a high electrical risk due to tempory instalations and water not mixing well

[CRAZY K]

If you are drawing 13A on the cable the maxmium recommend length for 2.5mm cable is only 30m due to volatge drop and earth loop resistance.

All cabling for outside event should comply with BS7909. This does not allow normal 13A plugs and socket to be used exteranlly due to the chance of water getting in and causing potentially dangerous situation. The recommened cables are rubber Ho7 which is designed for this situation. Artic cable is not recommeend as it offers very little protection to the cable.

Unless you have the right equipment get some one else to provide power inside the marquee as your insurance may not cover you if you install a power system that is not up to standard.

It may seem harsh by Marquees are seen by H & S as a high electrical risk due to tempory instalations and water not mixing well

Where on the Health and Safety Executive Website is this covered?

I had a quick look , but cant find it.

thanks

CRAZY K

[Shakermaker Promotions]

So, in short....is the extension that I have purchased going to be ok?

I've used ordinary stuff before and it has been fine and at one of the marquee functions I did last year, I was provided with 2 of the exact ones I bought (that's why I got it in the first place!).

[Creature]

i do a fair bit of marquee work and would recommend you use the thick blue cable (teh stuff caravanners use ) an dteh appropiate round outdoor sockets

[A1DL]

There is a big difference in what the DIY centres call "heavy duty" cable and what professional power providers deem "heavy duty".

Keeping it simple:

(1) 13a BS1363 domestic connectors are designed for domestic applications, and are not suitable to use where exposed to water, damp, moisture, etc.

(2) Industrial ceeform connectors rated to IP44 are splashproof and suitable for most outdoor applications, except in extreme conditions where IP67 rated ceeforms should be used. Additionally, the mating characteristics of IP67s afford better security - I always prefer IP67s on 63a runs.

(3) Take care when fixing cables to marquee frames that rainwater cannot run down your cable and into the ceeform connector.

(4) Arctic cable is fine for short runs & low current applications, however HO7RNF is better (and more expensive) as it has better insulation properties.
SPNE 4mm Arctic is actually rated to 32a for short runs.

Hope this helps

Tony

[CRAZY K]

There is a big difference in what the DIY centres call "heavy duty" cable and what professional power providers deem "heavy duty".

Keeping it simple:

(1) 13a BS1363 domestic connectors are designed for domestic applications, and are not suitable to use where exposed to water, damp, moisture, etc.

(2) Industrial ceeform connectors rated to IP44 are splashproof and suitable for most outdoor applications, except in extreme conditions where IP67 rated ceeforms should be used. Additionally, the mating characteristics of IP67s afford better security - I always prefer IP67s on 63a runs.

(3) Take care when fixing cables to marquee frames that rainwater cannot run down your cable and into the ceeform connector.

(4) Arctic cable is fine for short runs & low current applications, however HO7RNF is better (and more expensive) as it has better insulation properties.
SPNE 4mm Arctic is actually rated to 32a for short runs.

Hope this helps

Tony

I suppose its horses for courses?

If you run the cable--as I have 30 metres 16 amp Arctic--in an area not frequented or accessible easily to the public---in grass to get to the Marquee from the main building--I feel happy with Arctic which does give as far as I am advised by my Disco shop--a big hire company/DJ sales outlet---safe power.

On the other hand if the cable is in an area frequented by the public i.e. near a path or road way then i can see you need something more durable to impact by people cars etc.

Ultimately you would end up with armour cable of course or even Fairground cable which I do have in my Garage---weighs a ton He he!

I have to say wherever possible I try to get the client OR Marquee people to supply a safe electrical supply.

I let them decide whats safe.

Although it backfired last year when the venue were going to supply power to the marquee a few yards from the main building BUT failed to do so--I had no option other than to use a standard mains cable--not very clever I agree:eek:

Tio answer the question about extension leads we need to look at the H and S guidelines FOR MARQUEES.

I couldnt find them on the HSE site--anyone?????

CRAZY K

[Dragonfly]

There is a big difference in what the DIY centres call "heavy duty" cable and what professional power providers deem "heavy duty".

Keeping it simple:

(1) 13a BS1363 domestic connectors are designed for domestic applications, and are not suitable to use where exposed to water, damp, moisture, etc.

(2) Industrial ceeform connectors rated to IP44 are splashproof and suitable for most outdoor applications, except in extreme conditions where IP67 rated ceeforms should be used. Additionally, the mating characteristics of IP67s afford better security - I always prefer IP67s on 63a runs.

(3) Take care when fixing cables to marquee frames that rainwater cannot run down your cable and into the ceeform connector.

(4) Arctic cable is fine for short runs & low current applications, however HO7RNF is better (and more expensive) as it has better insulation properties.
SPNE 4mm Arctic is actually rated to 32a for short runs.

Hope this helps

Tony

and thats simple????? any chance next time we can keep it special needs??? :D :D :D :D

[Excalibur]

Personally, I would prefer to avoid standard extension cables if possible, though often have to use mine. 16A Arctic is fine with care, preferably with 16A connectors, as long as you aren't tempted to fit a widowmaker of two
13A plugs to get your power! :eek:Sadly there isn't always a 16A socket available, which makes these less widely useful. :(

Yes it would be nice to have somebody else providing fully armoured, fully protected cable with enough current to light a small town, but this is sadly all too rare.:( If commonsense is used, cables are big enough, and not laid in high traffic areas then few problems usually arise. Be warned that just because someone " qualified " has provided the supply, that is no guarantee whatsoever that the supply will hold up.:bang: :bang:

One of my residencies sometimes has a marquee in the grounds, and it's great to see two huge distribution boards come out from two separate supplies, with every combination of sockets necessary, and all on circuit breakers. One of the reasons for this is that the man in charge has a background which steers him towards such belt and braces methods. :D

[addoaddo]

As with a lot of electrical installations they all appear to be safe until something goes wrong.

The IEE generate the specification for electrical installations. Information on this area can be found here (http://www.iee.org/Publish/WireRegs/WiringMatters/Documents/Issue20/2006_20_autumn_wiring_matters_temporary_power_for_ entertainment_purposes.pdf)

The H & S regulation just state that electrical installations need to be safe. The IEE generate insdustry stand specifications. If there was an accident they would ask if you follow these regulations.

The new IEE regulations 17th edition now include tempory supplies.

[A1DL]

Personally, I would prefer to avoid standard extension cables if possible, though often have to use mine. 16A Arctic is fine with care, preferably with 16A connectors, as long as you aren't tempted to fit a widowmaker of two
13A plugs to get your power! :eek:Sadly there isn't always a 16A socket available, which makes these less widely useful. :(


16a is not a lot more useful than 13a however the reason for using a 16a connector as opposed to a 13a will (95 times out of 100) be for its IP rating as opposed to the additional 3a current draw available. When connecting to a domestic supply (as opposed to a distro), use a 13a BS1363 plugtop to 16a SPNE socket jumper.

Never ever use any sort of widowmaker - they do exactly what it says on the tin.




Yes it would be nice to have somebody else providing fully armoured, fully protected cable with enough current to light a small town, but this is sadly all too rare.:( If commonsense is used, cables are big enough, and not laid in high traffic areas then few problems usually arise. Be warned that just because someone " qualified " has provided the supply, that is no guarantee whatsoever that the supply will hold up.:bang: :bang:


Absolutely - look out for those nasty unprotected 32a-2x16a splitters, many marquee companies who are good at tents but don't understand leccy seem to have an abundance of them. They are highly dangerous in a fault condition. MCB protection is required whenever stepping down, that is real basics.

It is also good practice to trace power cables back to source (genny, distro, or installation) - see what else is sharing your circuit, and what size the MCBs are. What may look like two clean 13a sockets can be very different, and it is best to identify & resolve this before the start of the show rather than trip the supply at a critical moment.



It's this one made by JCB
http://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=20001&partNumber=9828094

IIRC that JCB reel is only 1.5mm. I remember being asked to connect one to our 63/3 distro at a Fun Day last summer and having to whip off the 13 and stick a 16 on as I'd used all my small jumpers, then trying to explain to the stallholder why he couldn't run two catering urns and a microwave off it simultaneously :rolleyes:




Tony

[CRAZY K]

16a is not a lot more useful than 13a however the reason for using a 16a connector as opposed to a 13a will (95 times out of 100) be for its IP rating as opposed to the additional 3a current draw available. When connecting to a domestic supply (as opposed to a distro), use a 13a BS1363 plugtop to 16a SPNE socket jumper.

Never ever use any sort of widowmaker - they do exactly what it says on the tin.




Absolutely - look out for those nasty unprotected 32a-2x16a splitters, many marquee companies who are good at tents but don't understand leccy seem to have an abundance of them. They are highly dangerous in a fault condition. MCB protection is required whenever stepping down, that is real basics.

It is also good practice to trace power cables back to source (genny, distro, or installation) - see what else is sharing your circuit, and what size the MCBs are. What may look like two clean 13a sockets can be very different, and it is best to identify & resolve this before the start of the show rather than trip the supply at a critical moment.




IIRC that JCB reel is only 1.5mm. I remember being asked to connect one to our 63/3 distro at a Fun Day last summer and having to whip off the 13 and stick a 16 on as I'd used all my small jumpers, then trying to explain to the stallholder why he couldn't run two catering urns and a microwave off it simultaneously :rolleyes:




Tony

Please explain what a widowmaker is someone:D

Its obviously a technical term used by sparks.

Im not a sparks so would be interested--I probably use them all the time--but I dont know at the moment:eek:

thanks

CRAZY K

[Corabar Steve]

Widow: a woman whose spouse has died. A man whose spouse has died is a widower. The state of having lost one's spouse to death is termed widowhood or (occasionally) viduity.
+
Maker: a person who makes things
manufacturer: a business engaged in manufacturing some product
=
Widowmaker

:sj: :sj:

[A1DL]

Have a read of this Alan

http://www.blue-room.org.uk/wiki/Widowmaker

[CRAZY K]

Have a read of this Alan

http://www.blue-room.org.uk/wiki/Widowmaker

Thanks Tony, im not sure I read that right---:confused:

Hang on ill paste it------

An 'extension' lead made with a plug (with exposed pins) on both ends

OK I dont have any of those--who on earth would:eek:

Thanks for clearing that up

CRAZY K

[Excalibur]

:D
Thanks Tony, im not sure I read that right---:confused:

Hang on ill paste it------

An 'extension' lead made with a plug (with exposed pins) on both ends

OK I dont have any of those--who on earth would:eek:

Thanks for clearing that up

CRAZY K


You wouldn't believe how many there are! As Tony says, the 16A plugs/sockets are way better than 13A domestic, particularly with respect to waterproofing. If your cables are 16A and the wall socket is 13A , some people use a converter with two 13A plugs at on end, and a 16A socket at the other. Once you plug the first 13A in, the second one becomes live, hence widowmaker, as it does exactly what it says on the tin. :eek:

Tony, correct me if I'm wrong ( I know you will :D ) but isn't 16A cable a bigger diameter of conductor, I'm not thinking of current carrying, more of voltage drop. ;)

[A1DL]

:D
You wouldn't believe how many there are! As Tony says, the 16A plugs/sockets are way better than 13A domestic, particularly with respect to waterproofing. If your cables are 16A and the wall socket is 13A , some people use a converter with two 13A plugs at on end, and a 16A socket at the other. Once you plug the first 13A in, the second one becomes live, hence widowmaker, as it does exactly what it says on the tin. :eek:


The most common widowmaker is 2x13s to a 32a socket (inlet) to feed an amp rack or dimmer packs. These are not only dangerous for the more apparent reason of exposed pins, there is also the potentially disasterous consequence of unknowingly connecting the two 13s to different phases of the installation.



:D
Tony, correct me if I'm wrong ( I know you will :D ) but isn't 16A cable a bigger diameter of conductor, I'm not thinking of current carrying, more of voltage drop. ;)

1.5mm2 HO7 is actually rated to 16a, although 2.5mm2 is more commonly used with cees. 1.5mm2 is normally used for short 13a plugtop to 16a SPNE socket jumpers, as it is difficult to fit the outer sheath of 2.5mm2 under the cordgrip in many 13a plugtops, (the Duraplug rubber 13s being an exception)

[Excalibur]

1.5mm2 HO7 is actually rated to 16a, although 2.5mm2 is more commonly used with cees. 1.5mm2 is normally used for short 13a plugtop to 16a SPNE socket jumpers, as it is difficult to fit the outer sheath of 2.5mm2 under the cordgrip in many 13a plugtops, (the Duraplug rubber 13s being an exception)

Thank you as ever Tony. I have just been to a well known DIY outlet,and out of curiousity, looked at Arctic cable. 1.5mm2 was £ 18 per 25m, and guess how much 2.5mm2 was ? £45!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think we can assume that a lot, if not all, of the lower priced cable reels will have the smaller cable fitted as a cost measure. :(