Wired microphone

[Ricesnaps]

I need to buy a wired mic - primarily for the comedy club I'm now doing, so it'll be just vocal use, but not singing. Don't want to spend the earth as I am hoping to use the radio mic more (out of interest, does anyone know the form with comedy, does it HAVE to be a wored mike. The guys running the club seem to be a little nervous about using a radio mic!).

Looking at absolute maximum being £50, but less is good.

That seems to give me the option of:

Classic SM58
Sennheiser e835

Like the look of the Sennheiser and it generally a little cheaper than the SM58.

Any thoughts?

Also, is there a standard protocol for mic stands in this sort of gig. Have just order a boom arm one (as there seems little other choice), but have now got the impression I need a non-boom!

[PropellerHeadCase]

SM58 is the default standard for stage mics, they're good-sounding for spoken word and hardy for the inevitable drops and knocks. Just make sure you have a good compressor/limiter on your mic channel (if not your whole system) for droppages, clapping and over enthusiastic delivery.

[Thames Valley Discos]

The PG58 is the same costs about £30
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Shure-PG58-dynamic-mic-includes-XLR-XLR-cable-NEW_W0QQitemZ250145304365QQihZ015QQcategoryZ15198Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Dragonfly]

I have 2 sm58s exceptional sounding mics

[Ricesnaps]

The PG58 is the same costs about £30
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Shure-PG58-dynamic-mic-includes-XLR-XLR-cable-NEW_W0QQitemZ250145304365QQihZ015QQcategoryZ15198Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

So better to go for a Shure than a Sennheiser?

Quite liked the look of the Senn :(

[PropellerHeadCase]

What's more important for this application, looks or durability?

[Ricesnaps]

What's more important for this application, looks or durability?

Sound quality!

[Dragonfly]

So better to go for a Shure than a Sennheiser?

Quite liked the look of the Senn :(

tbh honest Rice only one chap has said to me "oohh thats a top quality mic that probably the best in the world" don't get complimented on mine too often .......I echo what propeller has said.

[JAMdisco]

I use a SM58 (although it is the radio mic version) and it has lasted me for around 10 years. It looks a little battered and bashed and a little shabby and been dropped on many an occasion (flip the mic thing) but it has had an awful lot of use over this period. I feel inferior mics would have died long before now!

One thing I've heard on this forum is that feedback can be an issue with mics and close proximity speakers, I am thinking of getting an SM57 as this is a more "direct" mic - i.e. doesnt pick up much ambient noise as it's usually used for micing up amps, drums etc...

[Ricesnaps]

I'm thinking I'll try the PG58 for now and see how I get on with it. Seems you can buy them new from a propper internet shop for about the same as you'd pay ebay!

Any thoughts on my other question - boom arm mic stand over non-boom? Is this a "comedy" thing or will I be ok with a boom?

[Excalibur]

I'm thinking I'll try the PG58 for now and see how I get on with it. Seems you can buy them new from a propper internet shop for about the same as you'd pay ebay!

Any thoughts on my other question - boom arm mic stand over non-boom? Is this a "comedy" thing or will I be ok with a boom?

If you get a boom, just unscrew boom, voila one non-boom! Two for the price of one.

Re mics, have a look/ word with the chaps at class-D. Everything I have seen written about JTS has been good.

[CRAZY K]

So better to go for a Shure than a Sennheiser?

Quite liked the look of the Senn :(

Matt, I "borrowed" a standard Sennheiser Hand held from Maplins on approval and I wasnt impressed! Asked for my money back.

Then got recommended JTS and you know the rest.

If fixed mike I would go more expensive shure---you will have to tell them if it gets broke you want paying---unless your charge includes unlimited broken mikes!

I would have thought Radio Mike would have been more popular--but then you are talking £200 when it gets dropped or abused.

The JTS works in all locations I have used it.

Maybe they are used to a couple of Hi fi speakers, a maplin amp and a mickey mouse mike?

Good point Al---I dont think my amp has any in built cut outs for comedians:D

Remember in their acts they often use the mike for making unusual noises--like trains etc and tapping heavily on the top of the mike---bang bang--anyone in? Bang bang--ANYONE IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even if the mike has a built in wind shield perhaps an external wind shield might help prevent damage :D


CRAZY K

[Ricesnaps]

If you get a boom, just unscrew boom, voila one non-boom! Two for the price of one.

Re mics, have a look/ word with the chaps at class-D. Everything I have seen written about JTS has been good.

My UHF is a JTS - bought after trying Crazy's! I love it, but for some reason the comedy club guy is a little nervous about using a non-wired for the acts.

PG58 it i then!

PS. never considered doing that with the stand!

[CRAZY K]

I use a SM58 (although it is the radio mic version) and it has lasted me for around 10 years. It looks a little battered and bashed and a little shabby and been dropped on many an occasion (flip the mic thing) but it has had an awful lot of use over this period. I feel inferior mics would have died long before now!

One thing I've heard on this forum is that feedback can be an issue with mics and close proximity speakers, I am thinking of getting an SM57 as this is a more "direct" mic - i.e. doesnt pick up much ambient noise as it's usually used for micing up amps, drums etc...

Just to pick up on that feedback thing--with a good quality radio Mike Shure, JTS etc you should not have problems with feedback---unless its your sound system and speakers.

The SM58 is designed for vocals.

I use my JTS with matched Peavey set up and stand IN FRONT of the sound system a lot of the time going round the audience generally taking the .....
out of people and find as long as the eq is right no problem--im often amazed how loud I sound.

If your trying to get over the top of Disco music at full blast you will get mike feedback!

HAVING SAID THAT IM HAVING TERRIBLE TROUBLE WITH FEEDBACK ON A HEADSET MIKE:eek:

CRAZY K

[Excalibur]

My UHF is a JTS - bought after trying Crazy's! I love it, but for some reason the comedy club guy is a little nervous about using a non-wired for the acts.

PG58 it i then!

PS. never considered doing that with the stand!

Glad to be of help, did you realise JTS also do wired, £30 or £50 depending on model.

[Dragonfly]

whats feedback?????? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Ricesnaps]

Just to pick up on that feedback thing--with a good quality radio Mike Shure, JTS etc you should not have problems with feedback---unless its your sound system and speakers.

The SM58 is designed for vocals.

I use my JTS with matched Peavey set up and stand IN FRONT of the sound system a lot of the time going round the audience generally taking the .....
out of people and find as long as the eq is right no problem--im often amazed how loud I sound.

If your trying to get over the top of Disco music at full blast you will get mike feedback!

HAVING SAID THAT IM HAVING TERRIBLE TROUBLE WITH FEEDBACK ON A HEADSET MIKE:eek:

CRAZY K

The only thing that's putting me off slightly is hearing Phil's headset SM58 last Saturday - have to say the sound quality was not as good as I would have expected.

No feedback though!

[PropellerHeadCase]

whats feedback?????? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

It's like a reference or testimonial :D

[Dragonfly]

It's like a reference or testimonial :D

good call :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Thames Valley Discos]

The only thing that's putting me off slightly is hearing Phil's headset SM58 last Saturday - have to say the sound quality was not as good as I would have expected.

No feedback though!

it's not just the Mic though. It depends on the room, the setup of the EQ the speakers etc.

[CRAZY K]

The only thing that's putting me off slightly is hearing Phil's headset SM58 last Saturday - have to say the sound quality was not as good as I would have expected.

No feedback though!

Exactly Matt--not enough top end for my liking.

Which is why im trying Line Dances using a hand held mike--not easy but much more quality and no feedback.

Theo--- which headset mike do you use for Line Dancing----is it good enough for use in a noisy party type environment or just for classes in Church halls etc?

CRAZY K

[Corabar Steve]

We use either PG58 or JTS, they're on par with each other, don't look too dis-similar & will both do the job required of them

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I use SM58s and PG58s, wired and non wired and having done a side by side comparison test there is a slight difference between the wired PG and SM58, but considering the price difference, nothing much. Slightly more clarity on the top end of the SM58.

[Twinspin]

Have a look at Sennheiser E825s or E853s solid microphones. and they sound good.

I use shure as well (UHF SM58) But the sennheiser mics are fantastic!! highly recommended

As for the PG58/PG48 i wouldnt bother can get the sennheiser for £10 cheaper and its better.

Possibly on par just about with the SM58

[Jiggles]

the Sennheiser should be better than the Shure really as they make superb Radio Mics!!!

[colinm345]

I'm thinking I'll try the PG58 for now and see how I get on with it. Seems you can buy them new from a propper internet shop for about the same as you'd pay ebay!

Any thoughts on my other question - boom arm mic stand over non-boom? Is this a "comedy" thing or will I be ok with a boom?

A PG58 is quite a good mic we use and have used SM58 ,Senheiser,and Audio Technica

Why not have a look at an Audio Technica? here they are very very well made
http://www.dv247.com/invt/40333/

[CRAZY K]

A PG58 is quite a good mic we use and have used SM58 ,Senheiser,and Audio Technica

Why not have a look at an Audio Technica? here they are very very well made
http://www.dv247.com/invt/40333/

Yes I used a HAND HELD AUDIO TECHNICA for a long time--- excellent on off switch--- now use it as a backup to the JTS Radio Mike.

Might be worth spending the extra though on Shure to be sure to be sure to be sure---alright im going out!

CRAZY K

[Excalibur]

Yes I used a HAND HELD AUDIO TECHNICA for a long time--- now use it as a backup to the JTS Radio Mike.

CRAZY K

I have the AT Liberator, VHF. Very reliable, bit prone to dropout sometimes, but once ran it against a SM58 and was surprised how good mine was.

[mr rusty]

To be honest, if it is just live vocal, I bet you wouldn't tell the difference in an A/B between an SM58 and a chinese clone like a behringer. I have a berry 1800 which has been used extensively for all sorts of stuff, and its an excellent workhorse. If you want to pay the extra for a "name" it undoubtedly will be subtly better, but not necessarily more durable, and I doubt the audience will notice.

[Tony Scott]

Nobody has mentioned that the voice type and style of announcing will have a big factor in determining what Mic to use.

I have used a Sennheiser E835 for at least 18 years now I find it really suits me as I hold the mic quite close to my mouth so need one that works well in that way.

If you tend to hold the mic further away from your mouth (like most nervous Best Men) then the Sennheiser's not that great. For this purpose I had an awsome Beyer Dynamic (£320). Some snotty little 8 year old dropped & wrecked it!!! :bang:

That said for an alround performance Mic you got to go a long way to beat the SM58. imo

[Excalibur]

Nobody has mentioned that the voice type and style of announcing will have a big factor in determining what Mic to use.

I have used a Sennheiser E835 for at least 18 years now I find it really suits me as I hold the mic quite close to my mouth so need one that works well in that way.

If you tend to hold the mic further away from your mouth (like most nervous Best Men) then the Sennheiser's not that great. For this purpose I had an awsome Beyer Dynamic (£320). Some snotty little 8 year old dropped & wrecked it!!! :bang:

That said for an alround performance Mic you got to go a long way to beat the SM58. imo


Have you ever actually seen anyone hold the mic nearer than arms length? Then the audience shout "We can't hear you". Then you wind up the gain, and it whistles! Then they are baffled when , on taking the mic back it's suddenly loud again. it never occurs to them to get near it.

Oh yes, there are two classes who do get near the mic (sadly) Drunks, and kids!:bang:

[Tony Scott]

Have you ever actually seen anyone hold the mic nearer than arms length? Then the audience shout "We can't hear you". Then you wind up the gain, and it whistles! Then they are baffled when , on taking the mic back it's suddenly loud again. it never occurs to them to get near it.
:bang:

LOL!............that's a real pet hate of mine, GRRRRRR:bang:

:)

[Ricesnaps]

This will be used for professional comedians, not by me - if that helps

[Tony Scott]

This will be used for professional comedians, not by me - if that helps

It sounds like the club manager is expecting a Shure SM58, if you want to carry on the tradition then it's got to be the one wouldn't you agree? :)

[Ricesnaps]

It sounds like the club manager is expecting a Shure SM58, if you want to carry on the tradition then it's got to be the one wouldn't you agree? :)

Ah but the "club manager" is getting my services for free (or at least for a favour in return - 4 free tickets to the comedy night and I can advertise my services on the night)

[Excalibur]

Ah but the "club manager" is getting my services for free (or at least for a favour in return - 4 free tickets to the comedy night and I can advertise my services on the night)

Then it's down to Maplins my friend!:D

[CRAZY K]

Then it's down to Maplins my friend!:D

They really are the only mikes to drop on the floor

CRAZY K

[Corabar Steve]

I belted somebody with an SM58 once, no ill effects to the mic at all.

Left a nice pattern though. :sj:

[Thames Valley Discos]

I belted somebody with an SM58 once, no ill effects to the mic at all.

Left a nice pattern though. :sj:
you ard nugget

[Excalibur]

I belted somebody with an SM58 once, no ill effects to the mic at all.

Left a nice pattern though. :sj:

Remind me not to upset you!

You have PM , Steve.

[Corabar Steve]

You have PM , Steve.

Received with thanks.


you ard nugget


Remind me not to upset you!


In fairness it did resolve a potentially nasty situation involving a broken bottle & was a last resort.

[Ricesnaps]

PG58 purchased via Ebay - £26 delivered. Let you all know how I get on with it!

[Excalibur]

Received with thanks.





In fairness it did resolve a potentially nasty situation involving a broken bottle & was a last resort.

In helpful vein, the mic stand is usually less valuable, and more effective!

[Excalibur]

PG58 purchased via Ebay - £26 delivered. Let you all know how I get on with it!

There is no such price! You jammy :Censored:

[colint]

I cant believe you even need to ask or would feel you need to take the risk of saving a few quid at the risk of your performance, the SM58 had been the standard mic for stage/vocals/performers for the last 30 or so years and is proberbly the biggest selling mic in the world

The 58 should be the cheepest mic in your box! and if you do have problems with feedback use an SM57, same mic different pattern so more controllable!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I cant believe you even need to ask or would feel you need to take the risk of saving a few quid at the risk of your performance, the SM58 had been the standard mic for stage/vocals/performers for the last 30 or so years and is proberbly the biggest selling mic in the world

The 58 should be the cheepest mic in your box! and if you do have problems with feedback use an SM57, same mic different pattern so more controllable!

Have you actually tried a PG58?

As I posted earlier, I use both wired and non wired versions of both and there is not a lot of difference.

[colint]

I've had my own 58 for getting on for 20 years (I have about 15 of them for my pa work) it's been dropped, got wet and been severlly abused but never let me down and still sounds as good now as it did when new! ( Ithink I paid about £60.00 for it) I think that says it all!

why would I need to try anything else? good value for money and works every time will your pg do that? mail me in 25 years or so to let me know!

if it's good enough for the rollin stones it's good enough for me!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You're obviously not listening to a word I said....

[Excalibur]

You're obviously not listening to a word I said....

Is anybody?:p :D

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Is anybody?:p :D

Probably not.:rolleyes:

[Excalibur]

Probably not.:rolleyes:

Wish I could remember two things.
1) What is the number of my ( ancient ) shure which is the best mike in my box, low output, high resistance to feedback

2) What was the number of the Shure which I tried in the shop many years ago, and couldn't afford.

Isn't Alzheimers sad?

[Ricesnaps]

I cant believe you even need to ask or would feel you need to take the risk of saving a few quid at the risk of your performance, the SM58 had been the standard mic for stage/vocals/performers for the last 30 or so years and is proberbly the biggest selling mic in the world

The 58 should be the cheepest mic in your box! and if you do have problems with feedback use an SM57, same mic different pattern so more controllable!

Take a risk?

Maybe you could go back to the start of this thread and read it?

It may be just and extra £20, but somethimes that extra is actually quite a lot. Particularly when I am buying it for something I am doing for FREE. The beauty of this forum is that you get a wide and diverse viewpoint. I'm sure the PG58 I've bought will be just as robust and last just as long as an SM58. Only time will tell, but I am quite happy and very please so far with my choice.

I'll let you know how it's doing in 20 years.

After all, I used a £20 Sony mic to DJ with for 10 years and it sounded and lasted just fine thanks!

[CRAZY K]

Take a risk?

Maybe you could go back to the start of this thread and read it?

It may be just and extra £20, but somethimes that extra is actually quite a lot. Particularly when I am buying it for something I am doing for FREE. The beauty of this forum is that you get a wide and diverse viewpoint. I'm sure the PG58 I've bought will be just as robust and last just as long as an SM58. Only time will tell, but I am quite happy and very please so far with my choice.

I'll let you know how it's doing in 20 years.

After all, I used a £20 Sony mic to DJ with for 10 years and it sounded and lasted just fine thanks!

Until you heard my JTS !!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

CRAZY K

[Ricesnaps]

Until you heard my JTS !!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

CRAZY K

Ah, actually no!

I was comparing your JTS to a £49 Soundlab VHF :rolleyes:

[CRAZY K]

Ah, actually no!

I was comparing your JTS to a £49 Soundlab VHF :rolleyes:

Is there much difference? :D :D :D

HOPE YOUVE ORDERED IT NOW--I HAVE BEEN TO WOLVERHAMPTON AND BACK TO DO A GIG SINCE MY LAST POST!!!

CRAZY K

[Ricesnaps]

The PG58 I believe is now in the post!

[rob1963]

The SM58 has been the standard mic for stage/vocals/performers for the last 30 or so years and is probably the biggest selling mic in the world.

:agree:

That's why I never have used...or would use anything else.

[TONYTIGER]

Shure sm58 is a great mic but how many are far east copies its hard to tell the difference unless you weigh them 50% that come into the workshop are copies so beware those great deals on ebay buy from a shure dealer

[spin mobile disco]

I use senheiser 835 and they are very good mics for the money. I thought the PG 58 doesnt have a switch does it?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I use senheiser 835 and they are very good mics for the money. I thought the PG 58 doesnt have a switch does it?

THe PG58 does have a switch.

The SM58 come with or without.

[TONYTIGER]

THe PG58 does have a switch.

The SM58 come with or without.

Both come with or without:bang:

[TonyB]

I have a set of three Behringer XM1800S which get used for everything - DJing, Karaoke, lead vocals. No one has complained yet :)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Both come with or without:bang:

I think you'll find that the current PG58 comes with a switch. I've got 3 of them and all with switches. Have a look at the Shure site here. http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_PG58-XLR_content

Not sure what that smilie was for either?

[Excalibur]

I think you'll find that the current PG58 comes with a switch. I've got 3 of them and all with switches. Have a look at the Shure site here. http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_PG58-XLR_content

Not sure what that smilie was for either?

In myexperience with Shure mics, look for the suffix S. Funnily this usually means Switched.;)

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

In myexperience with Shure mics, look for the suffix S. Funnily this usually means Switched.;)

And I've already mentioned that I have 3 PG58 mics with switches and they are called PG58 not PG58s.

[Key2]

I've just bought a brand new MONACOR DM-2800 for £11.83 including postage on Ebay. I think it was a bargain, considering that Henrys.co.uk has them at £38.95 plus postage. The spec is:
System dyn./cardioid

Frequency range 50-18,000Hz

Impedance 250Ω

Sensitivity 1.5mV/Pa/1kHz

Max. SPL 120dB

Housing aluminium diecast

Dimensions Ø 51mm x 180mm

Weight 598g

Connection, microphone XLR, bal.

Connection, cable 6.3mm plug

Cable 6m, low-noise

But since I'm a newbie, I don't know if that's good or bad. What are the important figures to look for, when buying a microphone?

John

[pulsemobiledisco]

The PG58 I believe is now in the post!

Hey Rice

How did you find the PG58. I need to replace my cheop Numark mic with somthing decent. I sometimes struggle with feedback and I'm sure it's cause I'm using a cheap mic.

I'm undecided between the PG58 and SM58. From what everyone has said in this thread I think the PG58 would be fine, if it is I can't really justify spending the extra money on the SM58.

Cheers

Sam

[soundmaster mobile disco]

I have used the Sennheiser e835 in the past prior to my radio mic,i found it very good value for money compared to the sure sm58.Vocal sound is fine but the mic itself is a bit heavy.

[Dragonfly]

I have an sm58 great mic also my spare sound is great from it never let me down and ...... Saturday night the lead singer of the band had one on a stand at a upright height of about 6ft or so .......... got knocked over by a marauding 5 year old on the dance floor .... not so much as a dent ... and still worked fine so was v impressed and glad i didnt have to perform that test with my own.

[BeerFunk]

I have an sm58 great mic also my spare sound is great from it never let me down and ...... Saturday night the lead singer of the band had one on a stand at a upright height of about 6ft or so .......... got knocked over by a marauding 5 year old on the dance floor .... not so much as a dent ... and still worked fine so was v impressed and glad i didnt have to perform that test with my own.
I'll second that, for speaking (haven't tried singing!), they are awesome mics

[pulsemobiledisco]

Just bought the PG58 for £32 from Dolphin.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Just bought the PG58 for £32 from Dolphin.

They are well worth the money. I've always used SM58s and tried a PG58 'cos of a discussion with Steve on here and it is nearly as good as an SM.

[Ricesnaps]

Well I've had my PG58 for a month or so now and it's been great. Primarily used for spoken word at the comedy club and all the acts have loved it. Only slight problem is it being switched. Compare decided to switch it off when she finished without first telling the next act! Think I might tape it on for next month.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Well I've had my PG58 for a month or so now and it's been great. Primarily used for spoken word at the comedy club and all the acts have loved it. Only slight problem is it being switched. Compare decided to switch it off when she finished without first telling the next act! Think I might tape it on for next month.

Makes you laugh really doesn't it? What could be easier than one small switch to turn a mic on and off. Mind you, I used to have the same problem when doing karaoke and in the end I taped the switches on.

[Dragonfly]

Makes you laugh really doesn't it? What could be easier than one small switch to turn a mic on and off. Mind you, I used to have the same problem when doing karaoke and in the end I taped the switches on.

well surely comedians have very little excuse ???? but with karaoke by the time you are drunk enough to remember all the words it takes the brainpower of 20.000 scholars just to remain vertical and not wet yourself while shouting ..... erm .... singing ..... so a small on off switch on a mic is percieved by the human brain as a rubik cube the size of argentina. :D :D :D

[soundtracker]

Surely a Rubicks cube the size of Argentina would be exactly as difficult as a standard one, notwithstanding the handling ability obviously!!!!!!!!:ner: :ner:

[Dragonfly]

but surely the forementioned difficulty in handleing would make said rubiks cube more difficult than a standard one??? at no point did my post state in what way a rubiks cube of this size would be more difficult than a standard one it merely inferred that it would be more difficult.

now to presume i was suggesting that the technical side to such a giant puzzle would be in any way different from that of a standard one is ........ well .......... presumtuous.

i may have merely been inferring that due to its size the inebriated human brain may percieve the challenge as slightly greater than if a hand size plastic cuboid puzzle was handed to them..... think on ....

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D



















I just made that up :D