Which dj software to use?

[JAMdisco]

Hi All,
I am currently thinking of moving away from CD's onto a laptop (MP3's) but instead of trawling through hundreds of reviews I thought I'd ask on here from people that use such setups (horses mouth and all that).

Basically, what (in your opinions) is the best / ease of use software for doing this and what are the cost implications. I realise I'll need a decent 2 channel soundcard - any views on this would also be appreciated.

I would like to keep cost to a minimum but would be able to sell my current skytec dj kit and cd's for a few hundred quid. Before you all have a go at me - it's not a bad piece of kit for starting out although it is brand new and I'm not sure if it will stand the test of time. I realise you get what you pay for having being a musician for some time, hence moving onto digital.

[BrightLights]

The two I'd recommend taking a look at are:

Virtual DJ (www.virtualdj.com)

and

Mixmeister Fusion (www.mixmeister.com)

Both are excellent. Virtual DJ uses the traditional "2 decks" analogy we're all used to, and Mixmeister uses a more sequencer-like approach, the main advantage of which being that you can set up your mixes ahead of them playing out live.

The Numark DJIO is a pretty good 2-channel soundcard without breaking the bank. It's USB 2.0, has ASIO drivers, and an adjustable gain mic input - pretty much everything you need.

Cheers,
Steve

[BrightLights]

Direct link to Mixmeister Fusion product page: http://www.mixmeister.com/products_mmfusion.html

[Spirits High]

Have used mixmiester in the past very good and very easy to work.

Use pcdj blue as my back up, basic but useful as back up.

[DJWayne]

Think you'll find a lot of different opinions on DJ software and to be honest i think its more down to personal preference and what you feel comortable working with.

Just a few off the top of my head

BPM studio
PCDJ
Virtual DJ
Sam party DJ
OTTS DJ

I would suggest downloading some of the demo versions of these programs and having a play around to see which sutis your style. I use BPM as i like it but everyone has different tastes :)

[Your Big Event]

OTSAVPro for me.

[Dragonfly]

i use pcdj

[Silver]

For me there is only one, I've been using it for nearly 4 years and (touch wood) has never let me down, using just about every week over that period in a live situation.


You can try it free for 30 days... http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=traktor3&backPID=4101


It has so many functions and boys toys you can have great fun with it. It's due for a free upgrade this month with even more goodies being added to it. You won't be disappointed.

[paull]

I also use Traktor, it has lots of stuff on it that I don't use but a lot I do. Its search facility is excellent and it supports the high quality FLAC files.

Paul

www.spectrumdisco-dj.co.uk
www.e-designs.org.uk

[djsteve10]

Well i currently use Numark Cue, pretty much the same as virtual Dj but with the numark name on it, very good software for beatmatching and video Dj'in, I also use PCDJ Red for ripping my Cd's and as a back up.

Also abit of advice is don't get a laptop or a PC with windows vista on it as it is very unstable

Cheers
Steve

[Vectis]

Also abit of advice is don't get a laptop or a PC with windows vista on it as it is very unstable



Vista on certified hardware is extremely stable.

It's the software that's not been certified that breaks it.

Unfortunately that includes the majority of DJ software with the notable exception of OTS AV.

The vendors will catch up soon. Then it'll be the dogs.

My advice is if buying a new PC or laptop by all means buy Vista, but install XP on it in the meantime (use your downgrade rights - buy an OEM disk off ebay for a couple of quid)

[Silver]

Vista on certified hardware is extremely stable.

It's the software that's not been certified that breaks it.

Unfortunately that includes the majority of DJ software with the notable exception of OTS AV.

The vendors will catch up soon. Then it'll be the dogs.

My advice is if buying a new PC or laptop by all means buy Vista, but install XP on it in the meantime (use your downgrade rights - buy an OEM disk off ebay for a couple of quid)

I have used Traktor since April this year on Vista and have experienced no problems, on windows for a few years and again no problems. Can't endorse it any higher.

[Larry B Entertainment]

I use S.A.M Party DJ. Does everything i need. And has a sound fx bank which is handy for loading in jingles and voice overs and using it as a phase sampler.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

For simplicity itself, find a copy of PCDJ Red (original)

If you want to go karaoke and video/visuals, then VDJ is the best value.

[Dragonfly]

pcdj red is idiot proof ..... im an idiot and ive found my way round it ok.

[sleah]

Speaking as a party DJ who just plays around with mixing (not especially good!)..... I find PCDJ Blue vrm is perfect.
It basically emulates a twin CD player (feels Denon like) and has a reasonably good record case (mp3 management) without doing tons that you don't need.

What I would say, is whatever you go for, get a hardware controller for it. I hate using the keyboard/mouse to do stuff I was used to having a button for.

I have been able to make my own controller for PCDJ using and old Denon controller, but there are lots out there.
In terms of firing off tracks, cueing, pitch control etc using a dedicated hardware controller it's just like using a twin CD deck, I just use the keyboard and mouse to find songs.

I'd recommend for sound either a Maya44 usb or ESI Gigaport usb, which are virtually the same, the Maya 44 has 4 outs and 4 ins, whereas the Gigaport is just 8 outs, they are made by the same people. Both work out of the box with PCDJ with no drivers required except what the operating system installs.
The sound quality is excellent, maybe not full studio quality but more than good enough for disco use, they cost around £70 ~ £120.

Personally I use a laptop, but whatever you use, keep just for DJ use and don't clutter it with software you don't need, in fact strip out whatever you can including built in windows stuff you don't need.

Good luck!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I have been able to make my own controller for PCDJ using and old Denon controller, but there are lots out there.


I'm impressed with that!

How did you do that then? (Without being too technical!)

[CRAZY K]

pcdj red is idiot proof ..... im an idiot and ive found my way round it ok.

Dave, did you sort out a sound card for your Laptop to boost the volume?

If so what did you get--was it any good.

CRAZY K

[Dragonfly]

I just got to my gig really early the next day to set up and played around with the 3 volume controls i didnt know i had the previous day ... sorted it within 15 -20 mins .... am considering getting a soundcard though just to see how much of an improvement it makes.

[Arnold_disco]

I'm impressed with that!

How did you do that then? (Without being too technical!)

Thake the fancy stuff out and get a keyboard and use that for the button control.

[Dragonfly]

Thake the fancy stuff out and get a keyboard and use that for the button control.

really that easy ?????? im taking it that "the fancy stuff" is all labled as such :D :D :D :D :D :D

[sleah]

I'm impressed with that!

How did you do that then? (Without being too technical!)

Errr can't really say without being too technical! besides, I'd have to shoot you:D

To try and keep it simple, I bought a little circuit board which turns button presses into keyboard presses, so button 1 can be made to press key Q for example.
I took the Denon unit to bits and cut all the tracks round the buttons, then soldered wires from the buttons to the little circuit board.
I ran the software that came with the circuit to tell it which buttons pressed which keyboard keys.
The sliders and lcds don't do anything.

Viola! Job Done.

It was very fiddly and time-consuming though, and relies on the software being controllable from the keyboard, which PCDJ is:D
I'm sure some clever boffin could make a box which plugs between the Denon and the PC that doesn't involve butchering anything, but that's waaaaay out of my league.

[Arnold_disco]

really that easy ?????? im taking it that "the fancy stuff" is all labled as such :D :D :D :D :D :D

Have a look toninght:D :D :D

[Twinspin]

I would have a look into one of those digital media controllers justin. They are loads better.

[BrightLights]

I would have a look into one of those digital media controllers justin. They are loads better.

In what way?

[Danno13]

It says "Denon" on it. :D

[Dragonfly]

It says "Denon" on it. :D

my cortex now says denon on it ...... had to be really careful not to get the tippex down the usb port mind ...... but it says denon :D :D :D :D

[Arnold_disco]

my cortex now says denon on it ...... had to be really careful not to get the tippex down the usb port mind ...... but it says denon :D :D :D :D

Lol!

[soundscapes]

my cortex now says denon on it ...... had to be really careful not to get the tippex down the usb port mind ...... but it says denon :D :D :D :D

careful, john will want to buy it off you :D

try bpm studio justin. very stable and easy to use

[Arnold_disco]

I use pcdj blue that i got rebadged as emission for less than £1

[Tom]

I have used Traktor since April this year on Vista and have experienced no problems, on windows for a few years and again no problems. Can't endorse it any higher.

i have to agree. i have always been using traktor and will never change it. Currently i use Traktor 3 LE which i use with my behringer BCD 3000 and its so easy to use. mixing is so smooth plus there a few fx's to play about with when mixing if you have enough hands. :lol:

[Twinspin]

The things which are a concern is the possible crashing of a computer. The pc crashes its waiting the time for the machine to boot back up and also other possible things that can go wrong with a computer.

Plus i like the idea of having just a single unit in the flightcase with the mixer.

but thats just my personal opinion and experience having seeing them in action before and heard horror stories as well.

In the past i have had a few problems with cheaper manufacturers of equipment ive just not had any luck. The denon gear has saved me loads of money in the long run. After working with denon stuff for a while ive got used to the quality of their gear. (If i like a certain brands gear i stick to my guns with a make i know and trust)

It just happens to be that Denon are a top notch brand i wouldnt be bothered if the cd player had another make written across it. If its reliable and quality then ill stick with it.

[sandysounds]

Did a karaoke last night on a borrowed rig.....using virtual DJ and DAC3....absolutely ace! I was given a backup laptop just in case and also if the laptop should crash theres a blue laser fitted and ready to go and a couple of CDs to get you out of the ****e.....but there was no hitches! Being digital there is always the fear that something could crash so its essential to have a back up plan. When finances allow its definitely the route i'll be taking!

[rob1963]

The things which are a concern is the possible crashing of a computer. The pc crashes its waiting the time for the machine to boot back up and also other possible things that can go wrong with a computer.

Plus i like the idea of having just a single unit in the flightcase with the mixer.


Exactly the same here!

I have a friend who works as a technical operator on a national radio station. The whole thing is run by a computer which I understand cost a couple of million pounds. On more than one occasion, the whole thing has either frozen or crashed.

If that can happen to a £2 million computer system, what are the chances of is happening to a laptop costing a few hundred pounds?

I know that laptop or hard drive users will say that you still need a back-up. The point I'm making is that laptops, ipods & hard drives can still pack up...just like CD players.

My friend uses a laptop. He sits it on an upside down plastic box...which looks a bit precarious to me, as it could easily get knocked off. Also, it's all rather fiddly, as he has to connect up a separate mixer and also a mouse.

Like you, I prefer to put my sturdy console on a stand, open the lid & have everything there & connected up.

However, as you say, we are all different...that's just my own preference.

[discomobiledj]

I actually use Windows Media Player. The crossfading option on it is absolutely superb and you can add tracks in as you go, I have a standard playlist which I use but know that I will always get asked for various other tunes so just add them in as and when they are needed. I've tried alot of software but to tell you the truth I can't fault Media Player.

[BrightLights]

I actually use Windows Media Player. The crossfading option on it is absolutely superb and you can add tracks in as you go, I have a standard playlist which I use but know that I will always get asked for various other tunes so just add them in as and when they are needed. I've tried alot of software but to tell you the truth I can't fault Media Player.

Wow, this post's been up for over an hour and nobody's chimed in yet with the whole "Standard playlist? What about reading the dancefloor?" argument yet!

Seriously though, how do you find that works? Do you modify it as you go along to keep the dancefloor busy? I'm interested because I've been thinking about putting together a few short template playlists of songs that I tend to play together anyway - only a few tracks at a time though, not the whole night...

[discomobiledj]

I basically use the playlist that is tried and tested, has all the classic party songs from the 70's, 80's, 90's, then add tunes in/take them out as I go along depending on the mood of the party. It's so easy to do.

[BrightLights]

I can see how that would take the pressure off to keep finding the next track, and to be honest half the time I end up playing the same old stuff anyway because it's what works.

With it being so easy and automated, don't you get bored?!

[Ricesnaps]

I actually use Windows Media Player. The crossfading option on it is absolutely superb and you can add tracks in as you go, I have a standard playlist which I use but know that I will always get asked for various other tunes so just add them in as and when they are needed. I've tried alot of software but to tell you the truth I can't fault Media Player.

This is actually rather alarming isn't it?

This may obviously be nothing more than my own opinion, but...

I actually use Windows Media Player. The crossfading option on it is absolutely superb

And folks have the wrong idea about us DJ's!!!!! Window's media player is a home PC tool for playing music and if your lucky manging to burn to a CD. It is absolutely NOT superb at mixing two tracks together and I am astounded that anyone would even consider basing there music playout on such a tool.

Don't get me wrong, we all do a little crossfading to get from one track to another, but where on earth is the art of DJing in windows media player? However you choose to do it, whether it be digitally or even with turntables and records, DJing is more than siply lining up tracks. It's about being able to pick the right track, being able to move fluidly from one to another and in doing so entertain your audience. We've already heard about the disco's we've seen out and about with the 10 seconds of silence between each track, this seems just one step on from that if I'm honest.

There are some superb tools available for us DJ's these days. Choose your weapon and make it work for you, but Window's Media Player is not one of them!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You guys on about PCs crashing are correct. They can crash and go wrong.

The same as any piece of equipment. CD players can go wrong too.

I've had more faults with CD players than I ever have had with the PC since I've been using it. Also, I use a Denon HD2500, so should anything go wrong, I can use that.

Do all you guys who use CD have another set of twin players, should your normal set go down?

[BrightLights]

I use laptops and love 'em. VERY rarely have any problems, and those I have had were my own fault for doing something stupid. I fully agree that anything can fail, CD player, laptop, whatever, so I always carry at least one other sound source. Usually another laptop but also a portable MP3 player. Even my phone can play a decent, crossfaded playlist for a few minutes if all else fails - not that I've ever had to use it that way!

[discomobiledj]

I don't just rely on my laptop/media player, I also use turntables, dual cd player and also a back up laptop as well, the music is held not only on a server but also an external hardrive.

I've never had the situation of a 10 second silence, the music always fade in & out with precision and to tell you the truth I wouldn't change it.

As the saying goes "If it's not broke, don't fix it"

[Dragonfly]

at the moment i have laptop , cortex , 2 table top cd players and 2 ipods which i think is slight over kill lol

my biggest dilemma is do i stick with the tried and trusted cortex as main playout or in the next month while im largely bed/chair bound teach myself the ins and outs of pcdj and switch to the cortex being back up?? im a great believer in if its not broken dont fix it , but it would be fun to use the shiny dangley bits and whistles on pcdj competently.

[Ricesnaps]

I don't just rely on my laptop/media player, I also use turntables, dual cd player and also a back up laptop as well, the music is held not only on a server but also an external hardrive.

I've never had the situation of a 10 second silence, the music always fade in & out with precision and to tell you the truth I wouldn't change it.

As the saying goes "If it's not broke, don't fix it"

Firstly, my apologies, I hadn't noriced that you were a newcommer to the forum and I may has come accross as somewhat harsh to a new member.

That said, you really do need to ditch the Window's Media Player. I have the version that crossfades and to be fair for my home listening pleasure it's OK, but it is absolutely not a professional DJing tool.

There are many levels of our profession and many skill sets within them. I for one, have to work very hard at my mixing. Some styles do not come naturally to me, but then I'm a CD based DJ. There is very little excuse for not getting the transition right when you are using PC based digital playout, none at all.

Some of the professional software available is really not that expensive. Download some trials and see what you like. But please ditch the media player!

[BrightLights]

This is actually rather alarming isn't it?

This may obviously be nothing more than my own opinion, but...

I actually use Windows Media Player. The crossfading option on it is absolutely superb

And folks have the wrong idea about us DJ's!!!!! Window's media player is a home PC tool for playing music and if your lucky manging to burn to a CD. It is absolutely NOT superb at mixing two tracks together and I am astounded that anyone would even consider basing there music playout on such a tool.

Don't get me wrong, we all do a little crossfading to get from one track to another, but where on earth is the art of DJing in windows media player? However you choose to do it, whether it be digitally or even with turntables and records, DJing is more than siply lining up tracks. It's about being able to pick the right track, being able to move fluidly from one to another and in doing so entertain your audience. We've already heard about the disco's we've seen out and about with the 10 seconds of silence between each track, this seems just one step on from that if I'm honest.

There are some superb tools available for us DJ's these days. Choose your weapon and make it work for you, but Window's Media Player is not one of them!

I agree, up to a point. Personally I like to do some fairly involved mixes where appropriate - beatmixing, harmonic mixing, even occasionally editing tracks on the fly (using Mixmeister). However, for the majority of gigs I don't think all this is really necessary, and a simple crossfade is all that's really needed most of the time. I bet a lot of folks, regardless of the equipment they use, just fade each track into the next and find that's all they need. Admittedly using WMP would give you no control over the fade and I wouldn't want to work that way myself, but I can't help wondering if the punters would actually notice the difference?

Obviously this is all personal opinion and I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise :)

[rob1963]

I bet a lot of folks, regardless of the equipment they use, just fade each track into the next and find that's all they need. Admittedly using WMP would give you no control over the fade and I wouldn't want to work that way myself, but I can't help wondering if the punters would actually notice the difference?

Of course they wouldn't.

[Corabar Steve]

Do all you guys who use CD have another set of twin players, should your normal set go down?

I did before I got the Denon, & all of our guys do.

[Ricesnaps]

I agree, up to a point. Personally I like to do some fairly involved mixes where appropriate - beatmixing, harmonic mixing, even occasionally editing tracks on the fly (using Mixmeister). However, for the majority of gigs I don't think all this is really necessary, and a simple crossfade is all that's really needed most of the time. I bet a lot of folks, regardless of the equipment they use, just fade each track into the next and find that's all they need. Admittedly using WMP would give you no control over the fade and I wouldn't want to work that way myself, but I can't help wondering if the punters would actually notice the difference?

Obviously this is all personal opinion and I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise :)

I think it might be a good plan to go to the seminar at BMP on this very subject. I remember reading an article by Brian Mole not so long ago who put a lot of his success down to learning the art of mixing properly. I think professional well done mixing is probably a great selling point.

[sandysounds]

at the moment i have laptop , cortex , 2 table top cd players and 2 ipods which i think is slight over kill lol

my biggest dilemma is do i stick with the tried and trusted cortex as main playout or in the next month while im largely bed/chair bound teach myself the ins and outs of pcdj and switch to the cortex being back up?? im a great believer in if its not broken dont fix it , but it would be fun to use the shiny dangley bits and whistles on pcdj competently.

playing with the dangly bits on a DAC 3 and virtual dj as we speak.....beat matching, looping and the like .....took me ten minutes to get to grips with it yesterday before i was out live with it....not exactly rocket science.....but oooooooooh...so impressive!!!

[BrightLights]

I think it might be a good plan to go to the seminar at BMP on this very subject. I remember reading an article by Brian Mole not so long ago who put a lot of his success down to learning the art of mixing properly. I think professional well done mixing is probably a great selling point.

Oh absolutely, with the right target market and audience. I'm just talking about people at the "average" wedding/birthday gig.

I wouldn't make any claims about my mixing ability, but I do put some effort in and understand at least some of the theory behind getting it to sound right. I've often wondered if I'd enjoy club DJing where mixing's much more important, although I haven't taken the plunge yet.

There's an excellent book on the subject called "How to DJ (Properly)".

[BrightLights]

playing with the dangly bits on a DAC 3 and virtual dj as we speak.....beat matching, looping and the like .....took me ten minutes to get to grips with it yesterday before i was out live with it....not exactly rocket science.....but oooooooooh...so impressive!!!

It's one of those things that's easy to pick up, but hard to master.

[BrightLights]

...not that I'm saying I have, mind you!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Of course they wouldn't.

Mmm, not sure you're right there Rob.

Some of my family have commented on what awful mixing techniques (I had to translate what they said) some DJs have with 2 songs playing at the same time or gaps in the music, making it difficult to dance.

I beat mix ocassionally and although it isn't necessary, I think it will probably add a little to the function. I think all DJs should at least have a go and a practise at beat mixing. Even if you only do a couple per night, it makes the transition for dancers a lot easier.

[rob1963]

That's all fair comment, Darren.

The point I was trying to make was that most punters won't notice whether you're mixing with something basic like Windows Media Player, or something more advanced and with more features.

Obviously I was just referring to DJs who simply fade from one track to the next, and not doing running mixes or beat matching etc.

:)

[BrightLights]

That's all fair comment, Darren.

The point I was trying to make was that most punters won't notice whether you're mixing with something basic like Windows Media Player, or something more advanced and with more features.

Obviously I was just referring to DJs who simply fade from one track to the next, and not doing running mixes or beat matching etc.

:)

Which was my original point. Thanks for "getting it"!

[rob1963]

Which was my original point. Thanks for "getting it"!

No problem, Brightlights...I'm on the ball today!

:D

[Ricesnaps]

Which was my original point. Thanks for "getting it"!

Which I still dissagree with (wouldn't life be boring etc...).

Darren has it spot on. Punter DO notice when things aren't right. The problem with media player is that you have no control over the overlap other that a defined time period. That can produce some nasty results. At least when you have a set of CD players you have the control over what's happening. Get the mix slightly wrong, well faider back and wait, or crossfaid quicker if it's not quite sounding right.

Not something you have the option with on media player. Also not sure why we are having such an argument about it, after all DJ packages are hardly expensive these days are they!

[BrightLights]

Which I still dissagree with (wouldn't life be boring etc...).

Darren has it spot on. Punter DO notice when things aren't right. The problem with media player is that you have no control over the overlap other that a defined time period. That can produce some nasty results. At least when you have a set of CD players you have the control over what's happening. Get the mix slightly wrong, well faider back and wait, or crossfaid quicker if it's not quite sounding right.

Not something you have the option with on media player. Also not sure why we are having such an argument about it, after all DJ packages are hardly expensive these days are they!

Indeed, and I still agree (how one of us thinks we're agreeing and the other thinks we're disagreeing I don't understand, however! Oh well... :) ) Anyway, although I wouldn't want to work that way (and don't), I still reckon the majority of people at a typical wedding wouldn't notice the difference between a manual crossfade and an automated one, even if the automated one wasn't quite spot on. Automated fades tend to be fairly quick so there isn't much opportunity for them to make a trainwreck of it. Some of the fancier players do some quite involved analysis of the two tracks being mixed in an attempt to make it sound better, although I don't know if that's true of WMP.

If we were talking about the type of music that really *needs* to be beatmixed then I wouldn't be making the same argument, but I'm talking about standard disco stuff which can mostly be crossfaded relatively easily without beatmixing.

Actually, I wish I had more opportunities to play beatmixable stuff, but there you go...

[rob1963]

I still reckon the majority of people at a typical wedding wouldn't notice the difference between a manual crossfade and an automated one

And I still agree with you!

There are many DJs who wouldn't even be able to tell the difference...let alone punters at a wedding!

[Ricesnaps]

If we were talking about the type of music that really *needs* to be beatmixed then I wouldn't be making the same argument, but I'm talking about standard disco stuff which can mostly be crossfaded relatively easily without beatmixing.

Actually, I wish I had more opportunities to play beatmixable stuff, but there you go...

I'm guessing you believe that 60's 70's 80's and 90's pop and party music doesn't need to be or can't be mixed correctly.

I'm sure the guys at Mastermix would dissagree with you.

I think the key is to develope your skills across the board, not just assume dance music is all you need to mix

[BrightLights]

And I still agree with you!

There are many DJs who wouldn't even be able to tell the difference...let alone punters at a wedding!

I've been subjected to quite a few whose mixing was decidedly *worse* than an automated crossfade!

[BrightLights]

I'm guessing you believe that 60's 70's 80's and 90's pop and party music doesn't need to be or can't be mixed correctly.

I'm sure the guys at Mastermix would dissagree with you.

I think the key is to develope your skills across the board, not just assume dance music is all you need to mix

Nope, not at all. Just that doing so doesn't seem to add much in a typical gig - for me at least. Obviously dance music lends itself very well to beatmixing, and you're right that that's what I personally enjoy mixing, but I don't believe that's the only genre that can/should be mixed.

[Ricesnaps]

Nope, not at all. Just that doing so doesn't seem to add much in a typical gig - for me at least. Obviously dance music lends itself very well to beatmixing, and you're right that that's what I personally enjoy mixing, but I don't believe that's the only genre that can/should be mixed.

I wonder if the punters would agree with you?

[BrightLights]

I wonder if the punters would agree with you?

To be fair, so do I.

Don't get me wrong, I pretty much always *mix* with all styles of music in as much as I choose the intro/outro points carefully, make sure it's in phrase, etc., but I rarely beatmix with anything other than dance music. On the few occasions I've tried, by perhaps overlaying one track on another for an extended period it didn't seem to make much impression on people. At least that was my perception. Unless they're DJs themselves, why would they even notice rather than assume it's just a remix they haven't heard before or (more likely) not even notice that it's different from what they've heard before.

Still, as you say, it would be interesting to know what the punters make of it. If it actually does prove to be worthwhile I'm all for it because it's more fun to do!