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ian8limelight
30-09-2007, 05:17 PM
Thought I'd share this one with you ....

I have just unloaded after doing a Wedding Fayre (after 4 hours kip last night), and hit myself quite hard on the head with the edge of my trolley :eek: :bang: :daft:

So the question is, what aspect(s) of DJ-ing do you dislike ?

bluishbob
30-09-2007, 05:22 PM
The fact that by the time i get home i have to move all the gear for the 4th time, back into the garage!!!!!

rob1963
30-09-2007, 05:25 PM
Luggin in & setting up the gear, only to have to pack it down & lug it back out several hours later!

tonymoss
30-09-2007, 05:27 PM
Hi Ian,
My pet hates are when your struggling to get your equipment out of a venue and the guests stand talking in door ways and watch you trying to hold open heavy fire doors while getting your gear through. but they never hold the doors open for you, GGrrrrrrrrr

ross@rds
30-09-2007, 05:29 PM
When ugly dogs come on to you lol no the hours some times i.e all day wedding entertainment or when youve got 2 gigs on the same day.

KrazyKaz
30-09-2007, 05:30 PM
Luggin in & setting up the gear, only to have to pack it down & lug it back out several hours later!

exactly

secretDISCO
30-09-2007, 05:31 PM
Really really drunk people who insist in hanging their wobbly hand with a drink over your gear.................i find a finger on their forehead is suffice.:argue:

ian8limelight
30-09-2007, 05:32 PM
Hi Ian,
My pet hates are when your struggling to get your equipment out of a venue and the guests stand talking in door ways and watch you trying to hold open heavy fire doors while getting your gear through. but they never hold the doors open for you, GGrrrrrrrrr


Saw your comments on another post. I have to admit that's nearly as bad :(

wensleydale
30-09-2007, 05:32 PM
unsociable hours

Twinspin
30-09-2007, 05:34 PM
Having to carry all your equipment in and out of a venue thats one of them things that you cannot avoid though in most cases Its part of been a mobile dj . So I dont moan about it i just get on with it. My roadie moans about it all the time but i tell him to shurrup moaning and get on with it.

My roadie thinks i have upper body strength because i carry the RCF ART 705 subs down the stairs!! He even thinks the mackies are heavy.

:D The Puff :D I always call him that when he moans about lifting them.

Solitaire Events Ltd
30-09-2007, 05:34 PM
Hi Ian,
My pet hates are when your struggling to get your equipment out of a venue and the guests stand talking in door ways and watch you trying to hold open heavy fire doors while getting your gear through. but they never hold the doors open for you, GGrrrrrrrrr

That's one of mine too.

I really hate people who get nasty 'cos you won't play 'one more' song.

Also, feeling ill and having to work.

Solitaire Events Ltd
30-09-2007, 05:35 PM
unsociable hours

How can you hate that when you are a DJ? Doesn't make sense!:confused:

Corabar Steve
30-09-2007, 05:36 PM
Punters :sj: It would be great without them :sj: just play what you want :sj:

Solitaire Events Ltd
30-09-2007, 05:38 PM
Punters :sj: It would be great without them :sj: just play what you want :sj:

Just stay at home then.

Dragonfly
30-09-2007, 05:44 PM
Just stay at home then.

and swap fruit with joyce :D

Corabar Steve
30-09-2007, 05:45 PM
Just stay at home then.Can't be bothered to even think of a witty retort for that

In seriousness though it has to be all the lugging kit around

wensleydale
30-09-2007, 05:55 PM
How can you hate that when you are a DJ? Doesn't make sense!:confused:

of course you can hate it- just like people saying they hate lugging equipment, but they obviously have to do it.

thats the main bit i dont like about dj'ing, and the reason i don't do it much more than i do.

Excalibur
30-09-2007, 06:34 PM
unsociable hours

Half the fun! At least the roads are quiet!:D


Can't be bothered to even think of a witty retort for that

In seriousness though it has to be all the lugging kit around

Another wuss!;)

Dragonfly
30-09-2007, 06:38 PM
In seriousness though it has to be all the lugging kit around

agreed :D

discomobiledj
30-09-2007, 06:40 PM
Got to be packing it up at the end of the evening and everyone wants to stand in the way of the exit when you're trying to get a goalpost through the door (disassembled of course!).

Excalibur
30-09-2007, 06:56 PM
Got to be packing it up at the end of the evening and everyone wants to stand in the way of the exit when you're trying to get a goalpost through the door (disassembled of course!).

They tend to move when you clatter them with the corner of a CD box.;)

( Note: For other DJ's information, CD's are those funny silver things they used to put music on years ago. Your laptop can be very expensive to use as a crowd control measure)

CRAZY K
30-09-2007, 07:07 PM
Thought I'd share this one with you ....

I have just unloaded after doing a Wedding Fayre (after 4 hours kip last night), and hit myself quite hard on the head with the edge of my trolley :eek: :bang: :daft:

So the question is, what aspect(s) of DJ-ing do you dislike ?

Weddings--they keep you waiting 2 hours outside the Marquee--last Saturday-- then say can you set up your stuff and move it in quickly---yes if its not expletive well raining:eek:

Then when you rush it all in you get the best man saying---no pressure here Crazy--but when can you start:mad:

You really feel like saying--dont you think im trying to get started as soon as I can--but you cant cos hes just given you that big brown envelope:D

WHICH IS THE BIT I LIKE:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

CRAZY K

Corabar Steve
30-09-2007, 07:21 PM
Actually I can sum it up in 3 short key strokes......





R & B

Excalibur
30-09-2007, 07:34 PM
Actually I can sum it up in 3 short key strokes......





R & B

Now that's both worrying, and not surprising.

1) Worrying- Me agreeing with someone on here, especially Steve.

2) Not Surprising- I know DJ's who have given up the game because of having to play that type of stuff. I nearly used a disparaging term about the music, but realised that is what we all dislike. It is not good policy to call music rubbish, just because you dislike it. ( Even if it is total bilge:D )

BeerFunk
30-09-2007, 07:34 PM
Hmmm... moving heavy gear around, not being able to get to the bar/toilet when it's too busy, rude/aggressive/annoying punters, when no-one wants to dance, the immense stress when things don't go to plan, smoky rooms (pre-ban), 3AM finishes (when applicable), when ill/head aches...

...but apart from that - I love it!!

Excalibur
30-09-2007, 07:39 PM
Thought I'd share this one with you ....

I have just unloaded after doing a Wedding Fayre (after 4 hours kip last night), and hit myself quite hard on the head with the edge of my trolley :eek: :bang: :daft:

So the question is, what aspect(s) of DJ-ing do you dislike ?

Just reminded me. Last week a punter came up " Can you play some Tamla Motown? " Not usually a problem, except I had just finished a 20 minute set of it two records before!:bang:

Sam
30-09-2007, 07:39 PM
hmm.. im used to lugging heavy gear around and stupidly late pack ups from all the get outs we do for various shows.. (think 2 x articulated lorries instead of 1x small van)

But the main thing that annoys me is when we are packing down.. they sit around watching.. checking their watches..
it isn't even like we take a long time!

Excalibur
30-09-2007, 07:43 PM
hmm.. im used to lugging heavy gear around and stupidly late pack ups from all the get outs we do for various shows.. (think 2 x articulated lorries instead of 1x small van)

But the main thing that annoys me is when we are packing down.. they sit around watching.. checking their watches..
it isn't even like we take a long time!

If there are two artics, then there will be more staff! And my van is not small, and there's only me. :p

( But I don't care, 'cos I'm a Real Man!:p )

Tom
30-09-2007, 07:44 PM
i dont like when people are not having a good time. i feel that my job for the evening or function/event is to try to make people enjoy themselves and have a bit of fun. if no one is dancing i must be doing somthing wrong, which it could be but i hope not or people are just not in the mood.


and then comes the driving. i love driving but with all my gear in my small car and trying to go up a large hill....... well think about it. :lol: :(

Sam
30-09-2007, 07:47 PM
If there are two artics, then there will be more staff! And my van is not small, and there's only me. :p

( But I don't care, 'cos I'm a Real Man!:p )



lol.. urm.. think there were 7 of us :)
Oh no wait.. 5 if you discount the people who didn't bother doing anything.

We were out within and hour and a half though :p

Although being fair.. that was mainly down to having a lot of fun with the downward ramp going into the trucks.. (think big flight cases on wheels :p)

Shaun
30-09-2007, 07:47 PM
What do I dislike about DJ'ing?.....

Having to work every weekend when my friends are out socialising. Having to miss out on a lot of key family events because I have to work on a weekend. It's those things that I dislike the most.

pagan_flame
30-09-2007, 07:50 PM
I quite like R & B.




It's R 'n B I can't stand.




I'll get me coat... :beer1:

Excalibur
30-09-2007, 08:00 PM
I quite like R & B.




It's R 'n B I can't stand.




I'll get me coat... :beer1:

I quite like B & T. :D

And M & B

Corabar Steve
30-09-2007, 08:06 PM
You've got that arse backwards R'n'B = Big Joe Turner / Muddy Waters - The Rolling Stones / Pretty Things.

R&B = Rubbish & :Censored: 50 cent, Timbaland etc....

Larry B Entertainment
30-09-2007, 08:07 PM
Theres nothing i really hate about the job. If i did then i wouldnt do it and just stick to my normal day job. Years of being a musician before i was a dj have got me used to strange working hours and sometimes unpolite people standing in your way while packing up etc.

djsteve10
30-09-2007, 08:07 PM
well my two pet hates are very close to being number 1,

The first one is when you get to the venue and the only entrance to the function room is up a fire escape and the steps are made out of metal and to make matters worse it is raining.

The second one is venues like social clubs or lower market hotels when they are rushing you to get out as they want to go home and are moaning with the amount of gear you have to take out, I usually say if your so bothered grab a box lol

PropellerHeadCase
30-09-2007, 08:17 PM
( Even if it is total bilge:D )

Well, in the case of modern R&B, it's total Blige ;)

I can see the positive in most music so it doesn't worry me. There are a couple of songs I intentionally don't have, though - 'Laffy Taffy' and 'Ay Bay Bay', for example.


What IS it about people hanging around doorways and exit stairwells at the end of the night? And why, when the DJ says "I'll be coming through here with lots of heavy stuff shortly", do they still act annoyed/surprised when you bump them whilst coming through with a sub or an amp stack?

I think the thing that I hate THE most, though, is the gimp that offers to help as you're leaving the room with the last load... yeah, hi-ilarious, mate.

Well, that, and the idiot who loudly proclaims that either the last song was the only decent song played all night, or that nothing decent was played all night, but always after everything's unplugged so you can't use the mic to point out that they had been free to make requests all night so they only have themselves to blame, oh and by the way, everyone else was dancing so you're insulting their tastes as much if not more than my DJing.

Excalibur
30-09-2007, 08:17 PM
well my two pet hates are very close to being number 1,

The first one is when you get to the venue and the only entrance to the function room is up a fire escape and the steps are made out of metal and to make matters worse it is raining.

The second one is venues like social clubs or lower market hotels when they are rushing you to get out as they want to go home and are moaning with the amount of gear you have to take out, I usually say if your so bothered grab a box lol

I say keep your mitts off it!

Sapphire Disco
30-09-2007, 08:27 PM
Doing functions for Billy Nomates , like wedding yesterday mostly old people saying can you turn it down, the few young people saying can't you play something more up-to date.
Wasn't too bad but I much prefer it when there is at least 100 rather than about 40.

Corabar Steve
30-09-2007, 08:38 PM
DJs who put a punter your way without telling you it's a friend or work colleague of theirs :sj::sj::sj:

franczola
30-09-2007, 09:08 PM
My annoying things...

1)People asking for rubbish requests, and then not dancing to them.
2)Groups of drunk blokes falling into your gear
3)People coming behind my set-up, and watching what Im doing, then going through my CD's pulling them all out saying "play that next, play that next, play that next". GO AWAY!! I now barracade myself in, so no one can get to me!

Franc'

djsteve10
30-09-2007, 09:08 PM
i know what you mean steve, and they expect it doing on the cheap lol

rob1963
01-10-2007, 08:24 AM
going through my CD's pulling them all out saying "play that next, play that next, play that next".

Oh yes...very annoying...especially when the put them back in the wrong place!

I guess that's another advantage of being a digital DJ!

Vectis
01-10-2007, 08:30 AM
The disadvantage of being digital is putting up with the geeks who profess to "know a thing or two about computers" getting off on pointing at various bits of kit and asking inane questions :o Especially on the big rig where I've got three laptops plus the d2 all up and running and doing different stuff :rolleyes:

soundtracker
01-10-2007, 08:35 AM
People that can't be specific in what they want:

Got anything modern? (Just played Kaisers & Arctic Monkeys)
What do you like?
Oh anything modern - what you got?
I carry 10,000 odd titles - should I start at A?
How about some Madchester?
Thats more than 10 years old! Is that as well as something modern or instead?
Play Inspiral carpets!
Which one do you want?
Anything!
So I play This is how it feels

Back comes Nobby(head) "I don't like this one!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR RRRRGH!!!

Corabar Steve
01-10-2007, 08:51 AM
Oh yes...very annoying...especially when the put them back in the wrong place!

I guess that's another advantage of being a digital DJ!

Can I look through your CDs?

You'll have a long walk

Why?

They're in my house :sj:

Penfold42
01-10-2007, 09:00 AM
Two words.....
Rude People........that's all - like everything else at the moment.:)

Vectis
01-10-2007, 09:05 AM
I dislike the fact that I can't afford to do this full-time and have to keep up a day job even if it is just a few days a week :(

Corabar Steve
01-10-2007, 10:12 AM
I have just unloaded after doing a Wedding Fayre (after 4 hours kip last night), and hit myself quite hard on the head with the edge of my trolley :eek: :bang: :daft:

You really need to give up trolley juggling :sj:

Just so your feelings aren't hurt (as well as your head), being as everyone's ignored this bit of your post. Here's a smilie just for you http://planetsmilies.net/ill-violated-dead-smiley-5389.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

PropellerHeadCase
01-10-2007, 10:16 AM
http://planetsmilies.net/ill-violated-dead-smiley-5389.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

Ian, I'm sorry to here about your accidental mummification that Steve alludes to - I must've misread that bit.

Corabar Steve
01-10-2007, 10:38 AM
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Solitaire Events Ltd
01-10-2007, 12:03 PM
Just thought of probably the most annoying for me - turning up at a venue, either on time or early and then having to wait around as the wedding has over run. and then having to rush to set up with people interuppting every 10 mins saying "Are you nearly ready yet?"

Most annoying.

scoopd
01-10-2007, 12:16 PM
Really annoying? got to be people that leave their drinks on your table or equal to that,the people who put the gear in front of the table and you don't see it.
Finally,you've tried every trick in the book to get them up dancing and some of them just stare at you like cows

Larry B Entertainment
01-10-2007, 12:21 PM
Finally,you've tried every trick in the book to get them up dancing and some of them just stare at you like cows

Yes i know the feeling lol. Sometimes no matter what you play, nothing will get them up. I remember having to do a disco years ago just after the twin towers had been hit and all that trouble was kicking off in America.....God the atmosphere was tense that night, the last thing people wanted to do was dance :eek: Apart from that it was a poor turn out as well, not surprising.

Solitaire Events Ltd
01-10-2007, 12:35 PM
People who attempt (and I never let them) to put drinks on my speakers.

scoopd
01-10-2007, 12:47 PM
One of my best was few weeks ago when this girl came up and asked "If I had any Dolly Parton".Of course I did and duly obliged with 9to5.
10 minutes later she returns to ask if "I had any Dolly?" I said yes and that I'd already played one.Every 5 minutes or so she came back asking for more so I decided to play Islands in the Stream and that,hopefully was that.

Alas no,every 10 minutes she returned asking guess what.......Did I have any Dolly at this point I had to get forceful and say no no no.

Next thing this guy comes up and asks I I have any Jamiroquai-to which I duly obliged.Then HE comes back again asking for more.
Guess what........He was her Husband!!!!

Well matched methinks

Shakermaker Promotions
01-10-2007, 01:06 PM
My pet hates about DJing are as follows:
1. People automatically thinking that 'Mobile DJ' means cheese meisters as they have this image in their head that we are all 'Smashy & Nicey'.
2. When doing club nights, people who don't read the posters etc and ask for something like Rhianna when the night is Indie & Alternative.
3. People at parties who come up to you when the dancefloor is full and ask if you can play something else as they think what you are playing is rubbish (yet everyone else seems to be enjoying it).
4. Jobsworths at hotels who think that they know what they are doing...but they don't.
5. Ignorant, abusive drunk people who expect you to have every record ever made.
6. People putting drinks on my bass bins and when I move them they look at me as if I am in the wrong.
7. People leaning over me with drinks in their hands or thinking that the uprights on the goalposts are sturdy enough for them to lean on.
8. People who ask "what are you playing next?" every 2 minutes or "Can I look at your CDs?"
9. People getting in the way when you are trying to get all of the gear out the door that they just happen to be standing in the way of.
10. People who suddenly decide at the end of the night to have a drunken singalong, more often than not it's something like "You'll never walk alone".

Phew! Why do I do this job?

Corabar Steve
01-10-2007, 01:32 PM
2. When doing club nights, people who don't read the posters etc and ask for something like Rhianna when the night is Indie & Alternative.

I had something like that a few years ago. I was doing a Rock / Indie / Alternative night & these idiots came in & wanted to know why the football wasn't on. I wouldn't mind so much had they not just come in through a door with a poster on it with Rock / Indie / Alternative Night Tonight 8 - 12 on it in big letters at eye level & walked around a 4 ft high A-board with the same message. I would've thought the loud music & flashing lights might have given the game away.

rob1963
01-10-2007, 01:35 PM
People who attempt (and I never let them) to put drinks on my speakers.

How about those times when you turn up at the venue & the stage is not facing the dance floor! :p

Solitaire Events Ltd
01-10-2007, 02:03 PM
How about those times when you turn up at the venue & the stage is not facing the dance floor! :p

Yeah, fairly annoying - especially when you lighting is going everywhere but on the dance floor. :rolleyes:

djsteve10
01-10-2007, 04:33 PM
Oh and another annoyance is people using your bass bins as tables for their drinks!!

Dragonfly
01-10-2007, 04:43 PM
People who attempt (and I never let them) to put drinks on my speakers.


Oh and another annoyance is people using your bass bins as tables for their drinks!!

throws blackboard rubber at steve :D :D :D :D :D

djsteve10
01-10-2007, 05:59 PM
ouch that clouted me around the head dragon :P:P:P

PropellerHeadCase
01-10-2007, 06:27 PM
Result!

djsteve10
01-10-2007, 06:37 PM
Result!


The only result is my concusion :P

Tom
01-10-2007, 06:39 PM
how many fingers??? :p

Dragonfly
01-10-2007, 06:40 PM
how many fingers??? :p

do fish have????

djsteve10
01-10-2007, 06:42 PM
do fish have????

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrm can i phone a friend :D :D

leighinstoke
01-10-2007, 06:49 PM
1) People trying to talk my quote down because they've also been told £100.

2) People who ask for a request then go to the toilet/bar/outside for a ciggy.

3) People who then say I'm **** because I didn't play their request - because they were in one of the places in (2)

4) Venue people who want me to hurry up so they can lock up.

5) Kids who play speed garage or RnB on their phones while I'm DJing. (Lets think 800w versus your tinny thing - I WIN!)

6) Being tired and not in the mood but know I've got to do my best as I never lets the clients down!

Leigh....

djsteve10
01-10-2007, 06:54 PM
Kids who play speed garage or RnB on their phones while I'm DJing. (Lets think 800w versus your tinny thing - I WIN!) [/QUOTE]

yeah that is so true, i once was doing a wedding and while i was playing my background music someone had the a-team theme tune on repeat for 30 minutes!

PropellerHeadCase
01-10-2007, 07:10 PM
Oh, another pet hate is the person that yabbers at you when you've got your headphones on and are clearly cuing up the next track. I'm thinking of making a sign which says "If I have my headphones on I can't hear you".

djsteve10
01-10-2007, 07:11 PM
lol yeah and then you take them off and loose your cue point and then the current track ends!

PropellerHeadCase
01-10-2007, 07:28 PM
Well... no... I never let that happen ;)

Larry B Entertainment
01-10-2007, 07:32 PM
"Can you play something with a beat ?"

Heard this a few times over the years. Really narrows it down i think.

colint
01-10-2007, 07:35 PM
Now that's both worrying, and not surprising.

1) Worrying- Me agreeing with someone on here, especially Steve.

2) Not Surprising- I know DJ's who have given up the game because of having to play that type of stuff. I nearly used a disparaging term about the music, but realised that is what we all dislike. It is not good policy to call music rubbish, just because you dislike it. ( Even if it is total bilge:D )

Totally agree! I just plain don't play it and make it totally clear at the point of booking!

apart from the bad language involved I think R n B needs to stay with the kiddies (sorry teenagers) and theres no place for it at any of my
gigs

and I really don't like anyone messin with my kit!

Larry B Entertainment
01-10-2007, 07:39 PM
I happen to like a nice bit of Rhythm n Blues

colint
01-10-2007, 07:42 PM
I happen to like a nice bit of Rhythm n Blues

Me too! but not rhythm & bass!

Larry B Entertainment
01-10-2007, 07:45 PM
Oh thats different. Oh no not the modern stuff. If i did like it before i dont know, especially after hearing kanye wests latest offering. its terrible, half of it doesnt even sound in time :eek:

PropellerHeadCase
01-10-2007, 09:51 PM
The other one that gets me is "Can you play something good?"

I am, go away.

Excalibur
01-10-2007, 09:57 PM
The other one that gets me is "Can you play something good?"


You hum it son, I'll play it!:D

robbiedj
01-10-2007, 09:57 PM
The other one that gets me is "Can you play something good?"


"Can you play something I can dance to?"

Certainly, miss. Waltz or a foxtrot perhaps? :devil:

Sam
01-10-2007, 09:59 PM
I have one... but not DJing..

But for theatre work... i *hate* stupid crew who instead of walking behind a 'leg' to pull it out a bit.. walked infront of it... and ONTO the stage.. to move it?!?!

*grrrr*

and yes.. it happened tonight.. and yes... they got told off..

Solitaire Events Ltd
01-10-2007, 10:05 PM
The other one that gets me is "Can you play something good?"



Wasn't that a tune by Utah Saints? :confused: ;)

Excalibur
01-10-2007, 10:08 PM
Wasn't that a tune by Utah Saints? :confused: ;)

People my age would say " Herman's Hermits" !

Solitaire Events Ltd
01-10-2007, 10:09 PM
People my age would say " Herman's Hermits" !

Ah, but wasn't that called "I'm into something good"? :p

Excalibur
01-10-2007, 10:22 PM
Ah, but wasn't that called "I'm into something good"? :p

Poetic licence.

Dragonfly
02-10-2007, 06:33 AM
Me too! but not rhythm & bass!

or rhymes and beats :D :D :D :D

dj andy
02-10-2007, 07:49 AM
Sound Limiters AARRGGHH !! Set so low you have to turn down the bass and it still cuts out when people are singing along. :(

Corabar Steve
02-10-2007, 09:40 AM
I happen to like a nice bit of Rhythm n BluesSee #1


Me too! but not rhythm & bass!

or rhymes and beats :D :D :D :DSee #2


#1

R'n'B = Big Joe Turner / Muddy Waters - The Rolling Stones / Pretty Things.
#2

R&B = Rubbish & :Censored: 50 cent, Timbaland etc....


It's fun when somebody comes up & asks "Have you got any R&B?" & I respond with "Yeah, loads" then reel off a list of artists covered by #1 their eyes usually glaze over & they wonder off :sj:

BeerFunk
02-10-2007, 10:52 AM
Don't want to fuel the fire here Steve, but according to Wikipedia, the term 'R&B' applies to both 'genres' - and is in fact more often used to label the modern music that you hate so much.. :sofa:

Corabar Steve
02-10-2007, 11:03 AM
But it's easier to differentiate between the two if one is 'n' & the other &.

One begot the other anyway. The 'n' was used a lot for the former whereas & seems to get used more for the latter. Does this make sense?

BeerFunk
02-10-2007, 11:11 AM
But it's easier to differentiate between the two if one is 'n' & the other &.

One begot the other anyway. The 'n' was used a lot for the former whereas & seems to get used more for the latter. Does this make sense?
I suppose, it doesn't really worry me, I was just curious to see which terms seemed to be accepted 'out there'.

You have to wonder why they used the same name for a different style of music, when it was quite obviously already in use.

Oh, and you never hear the full term 'rhythm & blues' used for the hip-hop/pop style of music, so there's another way you can distinguish them! :)