Speakerplans

[Tom]

Iv just had a look on the website maby this could be an idea.


Has anybody made, used or heard any of the speakers from

http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=home ??????? :confused:



would be an idea to make my own boxes instead of paying £££££ for name brands.


Anyway

[BeerFunk]

Has anybody made, used or heard any of the speakers from

http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=home ??????? :confused:



would be an idea to make my own boxes instead of paying £££££ for name brands.
Do you expect the sound to be as good though? There is a reason why some speakers cost more than others, and part of it is that cabinets are designed to produce the best sound relative to the parts installed in them.

[Tom]

Do you expect the sound to be as good though? There is a reason why some speakers cost more than others, and part of it is that cabinets are designed to produce the best sound relative to the parts installed in them.

i understand that. on the site they use PD, RFC and Eminence speakers. I take it that, thats a good thing then???


i mean i dont mind paying for a named brand but why not give it a go ?

[Dillmiester]

Seems to know what hes doing!

[Penfold42]

I know this site and our Doctor uses it............Doctor of Science / Acoustics’ and Noise.
DJ on the side................

What are you trying to fit into what??:eek: :D
Can ask him if you want......

Make your own......nothing better........i'm still making mine....depends how much time you have.......:)

[Tom]

I know this site and our Doctor uses it............Doctor of Science / Acoustics’ and Noise.
DJ on the side................

What are you trying to fit into what??:eek: :D
Can ask him if you want......

Make your own......nothing better........i'm still making mine....depends how much time you have.......:)

i take it that a good thing then. :p

well my dad is good with maing stuff from wood. he has made all his fishing boxes with draws. nothing like you see on the shelf, relaly top quality.


well i woud need a sub by the end of october at the latest as i would need it for the germany gig, but i still dont know what design to use for DJ use and Sound Reinforcement (pa use). Was looking at the 186 horn with either using the RCF L18 P300 speaker or the PD 186 :confused:

[Penfold42]

well i woud need a sub by the end of october at the latest as i would need it for the germany gig, but i still dont know what design to use for DJ use and Sound Reinforcement (pa use). Was looking at the 186 horn with either using the RCF L18 P300 speaker or the PD 186 :confused:

Yep.....go out and buy it..............:p :p

[Tom]

tut. thats what i didnt want to do. plus my dad being my dad he would probely be out in the shed everynight till its complete as well as me helping


just found this and got a bit excited about the price

http://www.thomann.de/gb/rcf_l18p3008.htm?partner_id=79570

[Penfold42]

tut. thats what i didnt want to do. plus my dad being my dad he would probely be out in the shed everynight till its complete as well as me helping

Right if your dads doing it .....make it!!:p
Would he come round and finish mine off..............:rolleyes: ;) :D

[Tom]

Right if your dads doing it .....make it!!:p
Would he come round and finish mine off..............:rolleyes: ;) :D

dont know. could ask :p :rolleyes:


right. just asked about making them and he did say thats pushing it a bit so maby i might buy a sub first but i do want to use these designs for PA use. i have already emailed the guy about a licence to use his designs and how much that will be

but from my first post,

has any one heard these speakers at all???

[colint]

Rog Mogale who runs speakerplans is a very talented cabinet designer and his work is testiment to this fact! go to notting hill carnaval next year and you'll find a lot of the speakers are of his design!

Don't think I'm puttin your Dad down but you need to be quiet advanced in cabinet building to make some of these speakers, the sizes and angles on horn loaded cabs have to be spot on or the speaker won't work properly
and you can't just chuck any drive unit into them either it has to be the right unit for the cab.
Why not start with a ported reflex cab (Maybe a 1 x 18") which are quiet easy to build and with the right design & driver will provide loads of bass and you won't need a truck & fork lift to move them about!

[Paul James Promotions]

Speakerplans website is owned / run by Roger, who is also the owner of Void Acoustics. The plans available on the site were designed by him (in his spare time before Void really kicked off), and are all good quality designs. In particular, the X1 is a great sub unit for Disco use, if you build it correctly and use the recommended driver.

[colint]

Or you could go here if you really want a ready built 1850 horn


http://www.proaudioparts.co.uk/looneybin.asp

[Tom]

Rog Mogale who runs speakerplans is a very talented cabinet designer and his work is testiment to this fact! go to notting hill carnaval next year and you'll find a lot of the speakers are of his design!

Don't think I'm puttin your Dad down but you need to be quiet advanced in cabinet building to make some of these speakers, the sizes and angles on horn loaded cabs have to be spot on or the speaker won't work properly
and you can't just chuck any drive unit into them either it has to be the right unit for the cab.


i understand what you are saying. if i didnt think my dad couldnt do it then i wouldnt ask him at all. i think he is really good with his hands.

Having said that roger is the designer, the speakers do look a lot like the void stuff. i take it there going to be some loud speakers

[super-hero]

Speakerplans is a good souce for all audio information. The people on the forum are just like the ones here, friendly and helpful.

It's very satisfying building your own speakers, and the possitive comments from people who see and hear them.

[BeerFunk]

It's very satisfying building your own speakers, and the possitive comments from people who see and hear them.
I'm sure it is, but you are potentially mixing business with pleasure. What I mean by that is, if you start the project, and the results are less satisfying than you expected - you may be tempted to persevere with it anyway, and sacrifice sound quality.

[flatliners]

Deleted due to text speak. How many times do we have to tell you?

[TONYTIGER]

Rog Mogale who runs speakerplans is a very talented cabinet designer and his work is testiment to this fact! go to notting hill carnaval next year and you'll find a lot of the speakers are of his design!

Don't think I'm puttin your Dad down but you need to be quiet advanced in cabinet building to make some of these speakers, the sizes and angles on horn loaded cabs have to be spot on or the speaker won't work properly
and you can't just chuck any drive unit into them either it has to be the right unit for the cab.
Why not start with a ported reflex cab (Maybe a 1 x 18") which are quiet easy to build and with the right design & driver will provide loads of bass and you won't need a truck & fork lift to move them about!

This is some really good advice from colint i am a pro cabinet maker and some of the horn designs are very technical do as he suggests and start with a simple ported reflex. Void are just up the road from me in Poole and have a link company called pro audio parts or spares im not quite sure but they sell all the drivers for the cab designs also a cheaper range called P Audio

[colint]

Rog Mogale who runs speakerplans is a very talented cabinet designer and his work is testiment to this fact! go to notting hill carnaval next year and you'll find a lot of the speakers are of his design!

Don't think I'm puttin your Dad down but you need to be quiet advanced in cabinet building to make some of these speakers, the sizes and angles on horn loaded cabs have to be spot on or the speaker won't work properly
and you can't just chuck any drive unit into them either it has to be the right unit for the cab.
Why not start with a ported reflex cab (Maybe a 1 x 18") which are quiet easy to build and with the right design & driver will provide loads of bass and you won't need a truck & fork lift to move them about!

I can give you a design for a easy to build ported/reflex 1 x 18" cab! (but not the cab I'm currently using)
if you need it pm me!

[super-hero]

Beerfunk, for me, if it doesn't turn out as I expected, it's a learning curve. Learn from my mistakes and make sure I don't repeat them.

I am not a cabinet designer, and so rely on other peoples designs. I research the designs, to find out what other people think of them before I start building them. As for woodwork skills, you will know soon enough if you have bitten off more than you can chew.:)

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5069/20060216basshornaufbau3hg8.jpg

[colint]

David you a brave man! not many people would undertake building a folded horn!

Without being to critical, in the picture (if this is what your building) I notice that the internal panels don't have the angles required, these will definatly (opps) come apart under any sort of load and your right about the learning curve! if you don't try you wont know!!!!!:)

[super-hero]

Thats not one of mine in the picture. Just a good example of a box gone wrong.

[colint]

Glad of that! had this vision of a dead folded horn on the dance floor! ain't that a Tune? if you ever need help........

[super-hero]

Here are a couple of my recent builds.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/705/top1yh3ob0.jpg http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3801/top2cy1ze0.jpg http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8647/top4fz7vw4.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6899/fablemids1bg2va6.jpg http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8229/unpaintedpc9ba6.jpg


I only build boxes when I have spare time and I feel in the mood for it.

[colint]

Now thats top quality work! really like the mid cab's, I've seen pro builders that can't turn out cabs like that, it's a good pastime to have and really puts a sime on your face when it all come together, I used to do this for a living but not much call for it now with all the plastic cabs about but you can't beat timber cabs!
I just build for a hobby now!

[DJ James Lake]

What paint did you use on the black cabs, it looks textured. I have been trying to find some at a sensible price

[super-hero]

The paint I use is made by a company called Aldroft Adhesives. It is water based, easy to use and dries quickly. A 5kg tub is about £30 including delivery. You can apply it with a textures roller.

They can also make the paint any colour you want. Here is a number for them. 01204 668 282



Colint, do you have any photo's of boxes you have made, I always like to see what others are doing.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Here are a couple of my recent builds.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/705/top1yh3ob0.jpg http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3801/top2cy1ze0.jpg http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8647/top4fz7vw4.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6899/fablemids1bg2va6.jpg http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8229/unpaintedpc9ba6.jpg


I only build boxes when I have spare time and I feel in the mood for it.

Big respect to you - they look fantastic.

[Tom]

WOW. they look stunning and extreamly professional looking aswell.

making the cabs is not a problem, its the drives and saving up for them im bothered about. :(

[colint]

The paint I use is made by a company called Aldroft Adhesives. It is water based, easy to use and dries quickly. A 5kg tub is about £30 including delivery. You can apply it with a textures roller.

They can also make the paint any colour you want. Here is a number for them. 01204 668 282



Colint, do you have any photo's of boxes you have made, I always like to see what others are doing.


Thats the same paint I use I but get it from Blue aran in southampton 2.5 ltr (5k) tub for £15 + postage

what are the horns your using in the 1 x 12" cabs they look nice!

I've never really done the photo thing although I've built just about everything from speakers to rack sleeves (and of course deck stands) maybe I should start? I'll post photo's of my new system when it's finished to start it off!

Also my workshop will be in use for building kit for other Dj's in the new year a sort of custom build center for Mobile Dj's instead of the install stuff it was set up for so watch this space!

[gillo]

how far does the £15 tub go colin?

[Tom]

Thats the same paint I use I but get it from Blue aran in southampton 2.5 ltr (5k) tub for £15 + postage

what are the horns your using in the 1 x 12" cabs they look nice!

I've never really done the photo thing although I've built just about everything from speakers to rack sleeves (and of course deck stands) maybe I should start? I'll post photo's of my new system when it's finished to start it off!

Also my workshop will be in use for building kit for other Dj's in the new year a sort of custom build center for Mobile Dj's instead of the install stuff it was set up for so watch this space!

can you give us a web link or phone number??? if not pm me??

[colint]

So far I've done 1 deckstand with 2 coats, 2 1 x 18" sub cabs with 3 coats and the garden gate with 1 coat (and very funky it looks too in turbosound blue) and I still have half of the tub left (the little lady's had to talk me out of doing the bathroom in it as well!)

This stuff is truly easy to use I put it on with a radiator roller, it drys in about 5 mins and can be recoated in about 15 mins & the finish is unbeleivable I never got a finish like this with Trimite which has to be sprayed and all the other nonsence that goes with it.

And the real good thing is it's water based so everything cleans under a tap no thiners

go here:
http://www.bluearan.co.uk/menu/index.php?search=paint

[Tom]

cheers colin for the link. this stuff looks realy profesionall looking aswell. might have to get a few pots when it comes to painting my cabs

[colint]

cheers colin for the link. this stuff looks realy profesionall looking aswell. might have to get a few pots when it comes to painting my cabs

Unless your doing a lot of cabs I'd get the smaller tub because this stuff really goes a long way

I got told about it when I was at turbosound recently it's what they use on their cabs, I've done all my stuff in turbo blue cos I can't see why everything on a mobile disco has to be black & it all looks well funky & bright now!

[Tom]

Unless your doing a lot of cabs I'd get the smaller tub because this stuff really goes a long way

I got told about it when I was at turbosound recently it's what they use on their cabs, I've done all my stuff in turbo blue cos I can't see why everything on a mobile disco has to be black & it all looks well funky & bright now!

ohh yeah. you said it was water based so i guess it would go a long way. black speakers are ok but if you look at other makes like nexo, turbosound and void for example that dont use black. instead they use blue, red and white for some designs. i think more speaker companys should be using differrent colours now unless the speakers have to be hidden???

[colint]

Bit hard to hid a large pa system? but I know where your coming from, just seems odd to me we all spend so much money on our kit and then paint it all black so no one can see it
So I've decided this years mission is to brighten everyone up a bit! everyone's kit should be looking well funky by christmas or slapped legs all round!:p

[Tom]

Bit hard to hid a large pa system? but I know where your coming from, just seems odd to me we all spend so much money on our kit and then paint it all black so no one can see it
So I've decided this years mission is to brighten everyone up a bit! everyone's kit should be looking well funky by christmas or slapped legs all round!:p

well looks like im going to have slapped legs this year and maby next year but when it comes round to building my new speakers (if i go that route and i hope i do) then there is no way i am going to paint them black or white. maby lime green. :lol:

[colint]

I did ask if they could do pink (I was joking) and got the reply "yes no problem but it won't be cheap" so it just shows any colour is avalable!
good luck with your cabs and if you need any help I'm not that far from you! (lewisham)

[Tom]

cool. just up the A2 then. lol. cheers. :)

[Tom]

right. i have another question about the speakplan designs and woofers.
would this cab - http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=1850horn

accect this woofer??? - http://www.proaudioparts.co.uk/v181000.asp

im not to sure about this so thats why i ask the pro's who know this stuff like you lot :p

[colint]

Almost any 18" driver will fit! how it performs is another thing?
This man spent a lot of time designing the 1850 horn so if he say use a PD1850 (hence the name) then thats what you should use! I gotta be honist I don't really know (or use) PD drivers due to their weight & cost (the 1850 is about £350.00)
but if this is the route your going to take then follow the man to the letter and you won't go wrong,

I've heard 4 of these cabs driven of a crown mvz5000 and it was almost painful, but the weight is always going to be a problem unless you have lots of mates to help you! and don't forget you need at least 1000 watts into each cab to power them properly!

[Tom]

Almost any 18" driver will fit! how it performs is another thing?
This man spent a lot of time designing the 1850 horn so if he say use a PD1850 (hence the name) then thats what you should use! I gotta be honist I don't really know (or use) PD drivers due to their weight & cost (the 1850 is about £350.00)
but if this is the route your going to take then follow the man to the letter and you won't go wrong,

I've heard 4 of these cabs driven of a crown mvz5000 and it was almost painful, but the weight is always going to be a problem unless you have lots of mates to help you! and don't forget you need at least 1000 watts into each cab to power them properly!


i can get the pd 1850 driver (800 wattsrms, 8ohm) for £279.91.

moving them about is not a problem because i know a few guys who would love to help out because of the size and power of the speakers (bass lovers). plus i will have a van by the time i will have these speakers but i still havent got a reply from rog about a licence aggrement :(

[Paul James Promotions]

Go for the V18 1000 over the PD1850, it's proven to be a better sounding driver, and is a variation of the drivers used in my Void Stasys 8 cabinets.

Jamie

[colint]

If you read his post at the bottom of all his drawings I think you'll find it says: feel free to make 4 cabs but if you want to make a living out of them mail me for a licence! or something like that? so get your router & saw out!

[Tom]

i was going to use more than 4. more like 4 per side. and then i new more than 4 MT102 for the tops. thats why have emailed him (rog) about this.


any for jamie. thats why i asked about this. these are void designs (in a way) so thats why i asked about the void speaker. plus it can save me about £70 if i got the void over the PD

[Corabar Entertainment]

Also my workshop will be in use for building kit for other Dj's in the new year a sort of custom build center for Mobile Dj's instead of the install stuff it was set up for so watch this space!Going to open a shop in DJ Bids for us all to use then Colin? :D

[Paul James Promotions]

i was going to use more than 4. more like 4 per side. and then i new more than 4 MT102 for the tops. thats why have emailed him (rog) about this.



Do you really need 8 bins though? How big are the events you are doing? To give you an example, my main system (with just 2 pairs of twin 18in bins) will do 1000 people, not massively loud, but with enough kick to create an atmosphere. With all new rules coming into play in April next year, do you really need such a big system?

[colint]

That'll be loud! an invite to hear them when done please!

[colint]

Going to open a shop in DJ Bids for us all to use then Colin? :D

As well! away's open to the target market!

[Tom]

Do you really need 8 bins though? How big are the events you are doing? To give you an example, my main system (with just 2 pairs of twin 18in bins) will do 1000 people, not massively loud, but with enough kick to create an atmosphere. With all new rules coming into play in April next year, do you really need such a big system?

ohh ok. i was thinking about the whole db and not about the watts. plus in the end i would like to be a live sound engineer with all my own equipment, just like all the pro's but work my way up.

there a few local band who have made it quite big round here and usually draw a very big crowd so i would like to get the chance to do the sound for them as well sa dj'ing as i love that aswell.

would like to do a mini download aswell. maby just a few 1000 people turning up. somthing like that i am aiming for, being realistic but this is over a few years yet. im not going to make them straight away. build 2 subs and 2 tops for pa work and maby use them for large disco's if need be.

[Paul James Promotions]

The only problem with the 1850 design, is that using 1 per side, or even two won't reproduce the lower frequencies of a bass guitar. You really need 4 in a stack to start moving some air. Have a look at the Punisher design (there is a sub forum for the Punisher / Xtro on Speakerplans), might be a better option for you.

Jamie

[Corabar Entertainment]

Hmmm, with your ideas on volume KMA, I'm starting to see why the neighbours complained! :eek: :eek: ;) :D :p

[Tom]

Hmmm, with your ideas on volume KMA, I'm starting to see why the neighbours complained! :eek: :eek: ;) :D :p

my neibours are fine, its the people down the road who get annoyed. :D .

i must admit i do love my music loud but time and a place only

[Corabar Steve]

how far does the £15 tub go colin?

About 80 miles :sj:

[Corabar Entertainment]

:offtopic:

[Tom]

and back we go.

does anybody know where i can get some spec's for the Punisher / Xtro speakers? or build designs???


EDIT - no need to worry everyone. found them but it took a while.


these speaker do look much better on paper and also as a finished design. i might go for these now even though the Punisher uses a 12" (800 watts) woofer and if 4 or more are uses it can create over 140db at 1 meter. thats impressive.

[super-hero]

Just checked the last invoice from Aldcroft Adhesives, and their price for a 5kg tub is £16.95 + delivery.

Aldcroft is where Blue Aran buy their paint from.

[Tom]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb129/tommyboy6996/2dudzd3.jpg

this is a setup of 4 punisher bass bins and 2 X-tro tops

this is a 5400 watts rms setup. the laptop shows a figure which is measured at 6 meters. when up at1 meter it showed over 140db.


these look so good. the plans are easy to follow for the bass bins but the tops are much harder. worth a shot.

[colint]

I must admit I really fancy the Punisher / Xtro thing myself, I saw these about 6 months ago and down loaded the drawings! the idea of a horn loaded 12" cab is very appealing and the xtro looks facinating! (& very loud)

One day I might just get round to it! :D

[Tom]

i really want to build these so badly but its storing them after building them i have a problem with. but then again i wont really be needing them for about a year but i just want to have them now so if i do get asked to do a really big disco then i can say "yeah, go on" and earn top ££££ for it

the punisher look really easy from the plan i have here because it give the size of wood to cut out and angle off the egdes and all that but the X-tro's it looks much harder. where did you get your plans from (just out of intrest)

[colint]

I got them from here! hope your German (or dutch) is ok!

http://www.speakerstore.nl/constructions/xtroii/xtroii_bouwtekening.jpg
http://www.speakerstore.nl/constructions/punisher/punisher_v4.jpg

Edit if you go on to the home page you'll find loads more stuff there about both cabs

[Tom]

cheers colin but these are the same spec sheets i have here aswell. the punisher gives a cut out sheet guide but with the xtro its just loads of numbers with not much to go by.

the subs i could probelly do myself but the xtro's look more hard to build.


plus on the website there is an english flag to select for english text. :)

[colint]

Sorry didnt see the flag! :o

The thing is a cutting list with the punishers is just a bonus, you need to work out from the drawings what the sizes are (hence the numbers)

but be aware I've looked at these drawing loads of times and these are not going to be an easy cab to build unless you have the right tools to do it with i,e bench/table saw, router plus all the other stuff you'd normally need and you going to need plenty of space too!
Good luck!:eek:

Just a thought have you concidered a local cabinet builder?

[Tom]

lucky for me my dad has all that stuff in his shed. well its more like a house really. :lol: the only thing i/we might have a poblem with is cutting out the angles so everything sits flush. no gaps at all.

[colint]

Thats why you need a good table saw (& a sharp plane)

[Tom]

ok then. lol.

oh, and a place to store them aswell. evrything is in my bedroom at the moment so having 6 massive speaker in there will almost fill it up. :lol: