is this now sorted then

[Thames Valley Discos]

http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/Product%20Licensing/SG5_AFL.pdf
is a digital license still required or does this cover it, and how much is a vpl license?
MCPS require the sum of £1,175 (inclusive of VAT) as a non-returnable advance payment
then 6.0% of the revenue per gig.
so £6 per £100 earned to MCPS-PRs, is that before or after tax and would it be classed as a business expense and tax deductable?
Sorry for all the questions, just need a better understanding before i part with some dosh

[Corabar Steve]

That doesn't appear to be a DJ licence

[Thames Valley Discos]

That doesn't appear to be a DJ licence

Yes it is, go to the site and select DJ
http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/Pages/default.aspx
Audio or audio-visual content containing music for use within public or commercial premises

[funkymike]

and 9% for karaoke...huh

[Thames Valley Discos]

So if i'm reading it right, the initial £1175 is an upfront payment, therefore no more money is payable until you exceed this with the 6% of earnings. And no limit on the copying of music.
It also says on the accounting form Gross music revenue.

BUT this
http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/Product%20Licensing/SG5_AnnexA_report_spec.pdf
how on earth will this be done?

[spin mobile disco]

I see no mention of any goverment affiliation for this. 6% with a large upfront payment seems very steep as well.

[Thames Valley Discos]

I see no mention of any goverment affiliation for this. 6% l.

what do you mean?
it's the royalty payment to mcps-prs

[Thames Valley Discos]

To be honest, if it allows copying of music, djing etc, then on an average £300 disco, you only pay £18. That seems ok to me. The more you charge the more you pay.
Yes the upfront payment is high, but that will cover a lot of gigs before the regular payments start.
I have emailed them asking to clarify what is now needed for mobile djs. I think the answer is above but i will hopefully be more in the light tomorrow.
Reading again it says
The rights licensed under this scheme will be limited to copying of Musical Works and supply of such content for playing to the public in premises based anywhere within the EEA as follows:
1.1
The creation of a digital database of audio-only or music video tracks to source for supplying the service;
So i'm not really sure why a VPL license is required,( if doing videos at discos) therefore i have emailed them too for clarification.

[funkymike]

To be honest, if it allows copying of music, djing etc, then on an average £300 disco, you only pay £18. That seems ok to me. The more you charge the more you pay.
Yes the upfront payment is high, but that will cover a lot of gigs before the regular payments start.
I have emailed them asking to clarify what is now needed for mobile djs. I think the answer is above but i will hopefully be more in the light tomorrow.

cheers paul, glad to see someones got the finger on the pulse:D

[Corabar Entertainment]

The SG5 is definitely NOT a licence you want..... it relates to BACKGROUND music in premises (eg a pub playing CDs throughout the day)

The SG Licences have been around for ages: but it was the SG6 Licence that it was argued was needed in conjunction with the PPL Digital Licence. But even with these 2 licences together, the situation was far from covered; hence the LWP trying to negotiate a new licence that does cover the DJ's situation.

Nothing has changed Paul.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

The SG5 is definitely NOT a licence you want..... it relates to BACKGROUND music in premises (eg a pub playing CDs throughout the day)

The SG Licences have been around for ages: but it was the SG6 Licence that it was argued was needed in conjunction with the PPL Digital Licence. But even with these 2 licences together, the situation was far from covered; hence the LWP trying to negotiate a new licence that does cover the DJ's situation.

Nothing has changed Paul.

Agreed.

Someone touched on the SG5 a while back and said the same thing.

Don't worry, when anything happens the MCPS and PPL have promised to let the LWP know first and I'll report it back here.

[funkymike]

The SG5 is definitely NOT a licence you want..... it relates to BACKGROUND music in premises (eg a pub playing CDs throughout the day)

The SG Licences have been around for ages: but it was the SG6 Licence that it was argued was needed in conjunction with the PPL Digital Licence. But even with these 2 licences together, the situation was far from covered; hence the LWP trying to negotiate a new licence that does cover the DJ's situation.

Nothing has changed Paul.

not one to say "are you sure" but when has karaoke been back ground music then?:D

mike

[Thames Valley Discos]

i'll see what the email reply is from them, it does seem to refer to us though from the way i read it.

[Thames Valley Discos]

not one to say "are you sure" but when has karaoke been back ground music then?:D

mike

good point:D

[Corabar Steve]

Here we go again

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Agreed.

Someone touched on the SG5 a while back and said the same thing.

Don't worry, when anything happens the MCPS and PPL have promised to let the LWP know first and I'll report it back here.

Or of course you can just ignore what I say. :rolleyes:

[Thames Valley Discos]

Or of course you can just ignore what I say. :rolleyes:

Well if my email reply says yes you need it, then would that not mean we are all operating illegally

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Well if my email reply says yes you need it, then would that not mean we are all operating illegally

Paul

It is not the correct license.

If you don't believe me, then go ahead and buy it.

[Thames Valley Discos]

Paul

It is not the correct license.

If you don't believe me, then go ahead and buy it.

Darren, read my post, i said i have emailed the MCPS-PRs, i'm sure they should be able to clarify wether it is needed or not. If not then ofcourse i won't pay it.
I'll also point out that their navigation on their site is missleading and causing confusion .

Select mobile music provider, then DJ services, they are missleading us then.
Background Music ServicesAudio or audio-visual content containing music for use within public or commercial premises

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Darren, read my post, i said i have emailed the MCPS-PRs, i'm sure they should be able to clarify wether it is needed or not. If not then ofcourse i won't pay it.

I have read your post and this has been mentioned before and it is not the correct license. I know that being involved with the LWP and having had meetings with the MCPS and PPL.

Phil Cunnington, the chairman of LWP and of NADJ will tell you the same.

Someone posted about this a while back, hence why we know that it is the incorrect license.

[funkymike]

Darren, read my post, i said i have emailed the MCPS-PRs, i'm sure they should be able to clarify wether it is needed or not. If not then ofcourse i won't pay it.
I'll also point out that their navigation on their site is missleading and causing confusion .

and if it is I'm jacking the karaoke:eek:

[Corabar Entertainment]

Darren, read my post, i said i have emailed the MCPS-PRs, i'm sure they should be able to clarify wether it is needed or not. If not then ofcourse i won't pay it....and if you ask the PPL, they insist that ALL DJs need the PPL Mobile disco licence - it's only when you get the threatening letter from their solicitors and you speak to them that they say 'Oh, sorry, no you don't'!

As for the blurb mentioning karaoke - I really can't say, especially since I've read the actual licences and it contains a clause:-


For the avoidance of doubt, the Licence does not extend to the graphic
representation of lyrics of Repertoire Works in any format whatsoever.

...which would mean that it would allow you to make a copy of the original disc, but not display the lyrics!

If you look on the website, the section you click through to get to the SG5 is headed "Background Music"

[Thames Valley Discos]

I have read your post and this has been mentioned before and it is not the correct license. I know that being involved with the LWP and having had meetings with the MCPS and PPL.

Phil Cunnington, the chairman of LWP and of NADJ will tell you the same.

Someone posted about this a while back, hence why we know that it is the incorrect license.

In which case they are misleading us and posting false information, are they not?

[Corabar Steve]

Didn't we establish that it was for people who supply background music to shops, bars, hotels etc through playout systems that use MP3 CDs or HDs with MP3s on them, or indeed straight forward complation CDs?

Or at least something similar?

[Thames Valley Discos]

If you look on the website, the section you click through to get to the SG5 is headed "Background Music"

Well discos are background music, just loud background music;) , anyway i'll talk to them via email to satisfy it in my mind.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Well discos are background music, just loud background music;) , anyway i'll talk to them via email to satisfy it in my mind.

And you'd trust their answer after you just said that they are misleading us?

[Thames Valley Discos]

Didn't we establish that it was for people who supply background music to shops, bars, hotels etc through playout systems that use MP3 CDs or HDs with MP3s on them, or indeed straight forward complation CDs?

Or at least something similar?

then why say"Background Music ServicesAudio or audio-visual content containing music for use within public or commercial premises"

[Thames Valley Discos]

And you'd trust their answer after you just said that they are misleading us?

Well i don't know what they are going to say yet. They may so no you don't, our site is misleading?? i just don't know at the moment
Bit like saying do you trust the Government.... you still pay them tax.
I take it no one apart from Mike will be interested in the reply i get.

Shame though if it is the wrong one as this seems fair to me

The MCPS-PRS alliance has no mention of an SG6 that i can find? Strange
found this now though
http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/Product%20Licensing/SG6App_TandC.pdf
and this
http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/musicforproducts/Music_product_audio_only/other/SG6/Pages/SG6.aspx


The SG6 Agreement covers a variety of made-to-order music products including; MIDI files, bespoke karaoke compilations, backing tracks, recording booths, mechanical organ music and music quiz compilations

[funkymike]

I dont wish to stoke the fire, but what paul says does appear to be correct for this sg6 licence as its always been quoted as a sg5 licence ad if you read that, its totally different.

and how come everyone has shyed away from this thread, surley when there is the possibility of something that could change our industy for ever there no input!

Shame on you all:mad:

[Corabar Steve]

http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=7679&highlight=Licence
http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=6171&highlight=Licence
http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2320&highlight=Licence
http://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4115&highlight=Licencehttp://www.mobilediscodirectory.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2582&highlight=Licence

[Dillmiester]

Personally I would rather pay a higher percentage per gig or per hour and not a rather large upfront payment. This would then cater for all, as not all of us are full time DJ's.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I dont wish to stoke the fire, but what paul says does appear to be correct for this sg6 licence as its always been quoted as a sg5 licence ad if you read that, its totally different.

and how come everyone has shyed away from this thread, surley when there is the possibility of something that could change our industy for ever there no input!

Shame on you all:mad:

So, have you been on the LWP website to put your opinion over then Mike? I can't see that you are registered there? There was loads of links and information when it was first set up, asking for opinions.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Personally I would rather pay a higher percentage per gig or per hour and not a rather large upfront payment. This would then cater for all, as not all of us are full time DJ's.

Sorry, but what difference does that make?

Business is business.

[robbiedj]

OK

I have an SG6 licence which allows me to copy any track to other format (1 copy only) curtesy of MCPS.

The SG5 is for making karaoke tracks, background discs etc, not for djs playing music, whatever the format.

Check the LWP site and look at the licence grid. That shows exactly what licence is needed where.

Darren, Phil (Kilmeedyman) and I have spent almost 2 years talking to all the licence providers on behalf of djs. Believe me, we have found laws and regulations you have never even thought of.

Anything that would affect you all would be posted on here and other forums as soon as we had all the details.

[Have a disco]

(I know that being involved with the LWP and having had meetings with the MCPS and PPL)

Would some one from the LWP tell these guys to stop dragging there knuckles over this issue especially as many companies are also dumping DRM as well and there has never even been a mention of karaoke attachment either

How much time do they need to sort out this issue for once and for alls benefit its time this was ironed out for once and for all DJing sake

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Another constructive post there Badger....

[Thames Valley Discos]

OK

I have an SG6 licence which allows me to copy any track to other format (1 copy only) curtesy of MCPS.

The SG5 is for making karaoke tracks, background discs etc, not for djs playing music, whatever the format.

Check the LWP site and look at the licence grid. That shows exactly what licence is needed where.

Darren, Phil (Kilmeedyman) and I have spent almost 2 years talking to all the licence providers on behalf of djs. Believe me, we have found laws and regulations you have never even thought of.

Anything that would affect you all would be posted on here and other forums as soon as we had all the details.
Sorry, but MCPS-PRS make the rules and not the LWP.
I'd rather play by mcps rules.
as for "Check the LWP site and look at the licence grid. That shows exactly what licence is needed where"
Would we not be better of looking at the MCPS-PRS web site?.

[Corabar Entertainment]

The Licensing grid was approved by both MCPS and PPL Paul - and this has all been posted up here loads of times!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Sorry, but MCPS-PRS make the rules and not the LWP.
I'd rather play by mcps rules.
as for "Check the LWP site and look at the licence grid. That shows exactly what licence is needed where"
Would we not be better of looking at the MCPS-PRS web site?.

The grid made by Phil and was authorised by MCPS/PPL to use on the site so that everyone could understand what is currently needed.

I don't know why he bothered though sometimes.

[Corabar Steve]

Are you just being bloody minded now Paul?

[Thames Valley Discos]

Are you just being bloody minded now Paul?

Are you?
i'd suggest you three call them and clarify it once again, because it does not follow the telephone call i had earlier. Why do you three always impose your views so strongly when someone dares to dissagree with you.
I have spoken direct to the engine driver today. Are they wrong, are they :Censored: me?
How can speaking direct and offering my finds be so BLOODY minded?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

You go and buy the licence then Paul and the rest of us will wait and buy the correct one, when they sort it out.

[Thames Valley Discos]

You go and buy the licence then Paul and the rest of us will wait and buy the correct one, when they sort it out.

When they sort it out?
So you think it is ok at the moment to earn money from others work without paying them money?
I don't

[BeerFunk]

This may not be a constructive post, but I must say that with the DJ licensing situation in limbo as it is, it really is holding everyone within the industry back. The fact that there is so much debate amongst professionals at the top of their game proves this point.

For the record, after reading and digesting everything on the relative sites and these forums, regarding the correct licences, I conclude that I agree with Darren, Robbie, Steve, Angela etc

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

When they sort it out?
So you think it is ok at the moment to earn money from others work without paying them money?
I don't

So you don't or haven't used Mp3 then?

The PPL/MCPS promised an amnesty until they sorted the licenses out. And yes, I was there and heard that with my own ears.

[Thames Valley Discos]

I will point them to this Directory so they can put the points raised on here. I will let you argue the toss with them.

[Thames Valley Discos]

So you don't or haven't used Mp3 then?

The PPL/MCPS promised an amnesty until they sorted the licenses out. And yes, I was there and heard that with my own ears.

Not what i heard with my OWN ears with all due respect Darren

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I will point them to this Directory so they can put the points raised on here. I will let you argue the toss with them.

What is there to argue?

We are in regular contact with them (well Phil is) and they let us know of any developments for the new license.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Not what i heard with my OWN ears with all due respect Darren

Then the people you talked to do not know what they are talking about. And yes, you can quote me on that if you like.

[Thames Valley Discos]

What is there to argue?

We are in regular contact with them (well Phil is) and they let us know of any developments for the new license.

Ok not argue then, but the person i spoke with today has different views to the person Phil has been talking with.
Let them come on here and state some facts to those of us not involved in the LWP. Get some direct input from the governing body.
That will help in my opinion.

[Corabar Steve]

When they sort it out?
So you think it is ok at the moment to earn money from others work without paying them money?
I don't

I think they get enough royalties when we but the songs in the first place.

With all due respect, I think Darren has been speaking to the organ grinder, whereas you've been talking to the monkey.

[Thames Valley Discos]

Then the people you talked to do not know what they are talking about. And yes, you can quote me on that if you like.

Well if you would like to email me your take on the whole farse, i would like to put that to them and see what they say.
I will also ask for their requirments for mobile djs and get them to put it in writing.

[Thames Valley Discos]

I think they get enough royalties when we but the songs in the first place.

With all due respect, I think Darren has been speaking to the organ grinder, whereas you've been talking to the monkey.

the key word there is I THINK

[Danno13]

So you think it is ok at the moment to earn money from others work without paying them money?
I don't

So you haven't already paid for their Cds???? I have...

You think they're justified in charging extra just because we choose to take those CDs and play them via a PC???? I flipping well don't!

Its all very well getting on your moral high horse.. but please think it through before coming out with posts like that!

[Corabar Entertainment]

The problem is Paul is that when you phone up, you speak to someone who is a 'jack of all trades' so to speak, and they don't really understand the industry we are in either.

As I mentioned earlier, I have had some amazing phone calls with PPL (who originally told me there was no problem with making copies of CDs, and have also threatened legal action and employed solicitors to take action on something they were completely wrong about!). I have also had similar calls with MCPS.

....as for the reason that I'm trying to be forceful on this one: I don't want you, and others, paying out a lot of money on what is, in fact, a white elephant for you.

By all means, if you can get someone from MCPS - or any other 'governing body' on here, please do so, but I suspect their answer will be that they are dealing with the LWP as representatives of the industry and don't see the point in duplication.

[Thames Valley Discos]

So you haven't already paid for their Cds???? I have...

You think they're justified in charging extra just because we choose to take those CDs and play them via a PC???? I flipping well don't!

Its all very well getting on your moral high horse.. but please think it through before coming out with posts like that!
And you think before posting comments like that.

[Corabar Steve]

So they let the people who make the decisions man the phones & send the drones out to meetings with the LWP then do they?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Well if you would like to email me your take on the whole farse, i would like to put that to them and see what they say.
I will also ask for their requirments for mobile djs and get them to put it in writing.

I don't want to email anyone. They don't want to deal with individual DJs on a daily basis (their words) as they don't have enought time or resources. This is why they wanted to talk to the LWP so that we could communicate what they were saying back to our friends and collegues in the industry.

If individual DJs are phoning up, they will get given misinformation by people who don't really know what they are talking about.

We know what the requirements are at the moment and we know they are working on new licences and there will be an amnesty 'till they sort it out.

[Thames Valley Discos]

The problem is Paul is that when you phone up, you speak to someone who is a 'jack of all trades' so to speak, and they don't really understand the industry we are in either.

As I mentioned earlier, I have had some amazing phone calls with PPL (who originally told me there was no problem with making copies of CDs, and have also threatened legal action and employed solicitors to take action on something they were completely wrong about!). I have also had similar calls with MCPS.

....as for the reason that I'm trying to be forceful on this one: I don't want you, and others, paying out a lot of money on what is, in fact, a white elephant for you.

By all means, if you can get someone from MCPS - or any other 'governing body' on here, please do so, but I suspect their answer will be that they are dealing with the LWP as representatives of the industry and don't see the point in duplication.

Thank you Angela, i appreciate these remarks and i will try to get a representative from there to post on here the information given to me by phone.
Yes i could be talking to some jack of all trades, so lets see if they will put it in " black and white" on here.

[Danno13]

And you think before posting comments like that.

I did... please forgive me if you questioning my ethics winds me up slightly!

[Thames Valley Discos]

So they let the people who make the decisions man the phones
No, that is called a receptionist.

[Corabar Steve]

Ah, the joys of selective quoting.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Ah, the select ting.

:D :D

[Thames Valley Discos]

.

You think they're justified in charging extra just because we choose to take those CDs and play them via a PC???? I flipping well don't!

!

Yes i do, i think most people on here do, thats not the point of the thread.

[Corabar Steve]

:D :D

Mon :sj:

[Corabar Steve]

Yes i do, i think most people on here do, thats not the point of the thread.

I don't, it's a bloody cheek!

[Danno13]

I know its not the point of the thread. Infact reading back through it seems your question has been answered several times anyway....

It was you that came out with what I quoted earlier, that brought this whole topic up.

I'd love to hear why you beleive its justified...

I'm thinking of adding an additional charge for when I DJ.. anyone I hear singing a song I've played during the night will have to pay me an additional £1.... yeah, its totally unfair.. but hey, it'll make me more money!!!! :D

[BeerFunk]

I certainly wouldn't if I used a PC, why should you pay double to use a different format?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I certainly wouldn't if I used a PC, why should you pay double to use a different format?

Because you are making a copy (if ripping from a CD), therefore royalties are payable. Let's not get into that though please - that's been done and dusted several times over.

[robbiedj]

As a member of LWP and having been to the offices of MCPS/ PRS (one place by the way) there is an even money chance that the person you spoke to was possibly a temp or a receptionist. When I first contacted them to purchase an SG6, the person I spoke to didn't even know what it was.

At our meetings with senior management of these organisations, we have found ourselves in the position of having to inform them of their policies. When Phil handedthem and their solicitor the licencing grid, which he put a lot of work into, they asked permission to use it themselves, admitting that we were better informed than they were. To this extent, I have had two problems regarding licences of theirs, where they have redirected people to us for information.

As they agree as a group, we are abou the best informed in the country at this time.

As for SG licences, at our second meeting, where their chairman was present, it was agreed by them that these licences were never intended for djs and are, in fact, totally inappropriate, although at this time they are the only things available. That is why we have been working extremely hard together to resolve a problem that has gone on for 40 years.

As you were informed earlier in the thread, at a meeting between the LWP & MCPS/PRS an amnesty was agreed until the situation is resolved.

But, obviously, if somebody does not want to be advised and wishes to pay for a non-essential licence, they will happily take their money.

[BeerFunk]

Because you are making a copy (if ripping from a CD), therefore royalties are payable. Let's not get into that though please - that's been done and dusted several times over.
Well, to be fair, I followed Steve And Danno's posts, but fair enough :)

[Thames Valley Discos]

As a member of LWP and having been to the offices of MCPS/ PRS (one place by the way) there is an even money chance that the person you spoke to was possibly a temp or a receptionist. When I first contacted them to purchase an SG6, the person I spoke to didn't even know what it was.

At our meetings with senior management of these organisations, we have found ourselves in the position of having to inform them of their policies. When Phil handedthem and their solicitor the licencing grid, which he put a lot of work into, they asked permission to use it themselves, admitting that we were better informed than they were. To this extent, I have had two problems regarding licences of theirs, where they have redirected people to us for information.

As they agree as a group, we are abou the best informed in the country at this time.

As for SG licences, at our second meeting, where their chairman was present, it was agreed by them that these licences were never intended for djs and are, in fact, totally inappropriate, although at this time they are the only things available. That is why we have been working extremely hard together to resolve a problem that has gone on for 40 years.

As you were informed earlier in the thread, at a meeting between the LWP & MCPS/PRS an amnesty was agreed until the situation is resolved.

But, obviously, if somebody does not want to be advised and wishes to pay for a non-essential licence, they will happily take their money.

Why do that not make this available on their web site to clarify it to those who are not members of the LWP, or those that have never even heard of the LWP.
Very poor for such an organisation to continue to confuse people, both from their web site and telephone. Bunch of..............

[Corabar Steve]

umm, yeah, getting confused here.
Yes to rip a cd and charge is a con, i was refering to the MCPS-PRS revenue.

Huh?

[Thames Valley Discos]

Huh?

blonde moment, too many msn conversations going on.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Very poor for such an organisation to continue to confuse people

I agree and sorry to bang on about it, but this is why the LWP was set up, to lobby them and to inform people in our industry, whether it be by word of mouth or forums, to what is happening, rather than one man ringing up and getting wrong information.

[Dragonfly]

Why do that not make this available on their web site to clarify it to those who are not members of the LWP, or those that have never even heard of the LWP.
Very poor for such an organisation to continue to confuse people, both from their web site and telephone. Bunch of..............

sadly it is like many other things in this country they are not obliged to tell you and i suspect won't while there is still people willing to part with cash because they believe they need something.

[Thames Valley Discos]

I agree and sorry to bang on about it, but this is why the LWP was set up, to lobby them and to inform people in our industry, whether it be by word of mouth or forums, to what is happening, rather than one man ringing up and getting wrong information.

Well i'm going to start a petition on 10 downing street for the hell of it, if anyone can come up with a suitable title let me know.
Are the laws easier abroad? Is it just this screwed up country?


"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to... "

[robbiedj]

Well i'm going to start a petition on 10 downing street for the hell of it, if anyone can come up with a suitable title let me know.
Are the laws easier abroad? Is it just this screwed up country?


"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to... "

Too late.:whistle:

We have already submitted to The Gower report, who requested our input.

And, more importantly, the LWP has the full backing of the BPI, whose chairman shook our hands on it after our meeting with them.

[Have a disco]

Would it take rocket science to invite the top nobs of the MCPS-PRS to the forum to actually hear the points of us lowly DJ's as they're continued knuckle dragging is just plain ridiculous rather than continue to argue it with those whom are at the pinicle of there DJ career and the record labels.

I regularly get CD & MP3 promo's off several top dance labels all whom have given me permission to transfer the data to which ever format I desire. Therefore flouting they're own rules making a mockery of there whole society influence and credibility, regardless of amnesty or not??

If I put down a ruler upon paper and draw a line thats it line drawn, wether solid or broken the line has be made guidelines sorted etc etc

Now stop the MCPS-PRS taking the mickey of us DJ's and give us what we need as Professional Entertainers and stop them dragging there knuckles PLEASE

by all means forward this comment to them if you wish

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Why don't you read the rest of the thread instead of making these comments which are pointless Badger?

Things aren't as clear cut as you make out. There is red tape a plenty and you really think you are going to help by telling them not to drag their knuckles?

They don't want to spend time talking to loads of DJs and don't want to come on forums to discuss this. That is the whole point of the LWP.

Have you read, digested and learned nothing from this thread at all?

[Have a disco]

Yes I have read thread after thread after thread regarding this issue. and everythings smacks of knuckle dragging so they get everything in their favour time after time.

Its either time they stopped and gave us a final answer before more loopholes arrive ie MP4, 5 or 6 or we actually got PAID for continual promtion of their tracks??? Thats what we do weekend after weekend after all?

I understand & respect what the LWP is doing but a resound kick up the rear end of the MCPS & PRS never hurts every now and then??. The longer this issue drags on the more confused all DJ's around the world will be?? Im sorry if I may seem to be droning on but at least Im verbally saying OOii what the hell is going on???

[BeerFunk]

Yes I have read thread after thread after thread regarding this issue. and everythings smacks of knuckle dragging so they get everything in their favour time after time.

Its either time they stopped and gave us a final answer before more loopholes arrive ie MP4, 5 or 6 or we actually got PAID for continual promtion of their tracks??? Thats what we do weekend after weekend after all?

I understand & respect what the LWP is doing but a resound kick up the rear end of the MCPS & PRS never hurts every now and then??. The longer this issue drags on the more confused all DJ's around the world will be?? Im sorry if I may seem to be droning on but at least Im verbally saying OOii what the hell is going on???
In essence, I agree, but there's nothing we can do about it. No-one is pressuring them to get on with it, so why should they resolve the situation in any hurry?

Not sure about the promoting tracks part though. I don't see how we're promoting tracks from the likes of Candi Staton and the Nolans - has anyone ever came up to you to ask who the artist was when playing tracks like that?

As for new music, well, I'm afraid to say we hardly promote them either. We play the new tracks after radio play has made them popular - if you play unknown tracks which you know are going to chart, you will get blank looks all around the room. Play it again after it's been given a run on the radio, and people react to it.

[Corabar Steve]

Yes I have read thread after thread after thread regarding this issue. and everythings smacks of knuckle dragging so they get everything in their favour time after time. Well let's see you do better than the LWP


or we actually got PAID for continual promtion of their tracks??? Thats what we do weekend after weekend after all? Irelevant to the thread & not what we do at all (unless we work in specialist clubs)


I understand & respect what the LWP is doing but a resound kick up the rear end of the MCPS & PRS never hurts every now and then??. The longer this issue drags on the more confused all DJ's around the world will be?? Im sorry if I may seem to be droning on but at least Im verbally saying OOii what the hell is going on??? Around the world?!?!? This is a British issue regarding British copyright etc.