Is it me?????

[Have a disco]

Or am I going mad

at many venues lately over the last ten years I have noticed people coming out later and later to parties and clubs or pubs

private parties is getting as late as 9 - 9.30
pubs is currently 10 - 10.30
clubs is 11.30ish

is me or is this becoming a big trend to go out later now opening hours have laxed. Im finding Im having to start most of my nights around 8pm nowadays compared to 7pm ten years ago

[BeerFunk]

It's not just you, that's the way it is a lot of the time here too. I had a phone call from the manager of a club last night, asking if I could help him out on Friday nights. He had to sack the DJ that usually did them, and he told me it's always dead up until around midnight. I don't know if the DJ was just pants, or it's because people go out later on Friday nights (pubs, then clubs).

[djsteve10]

Well i work in nightclubs on fridays and the odd saturday nights and i work in oceana, the club doesn't get busy until around 12 ish and my room opens at 11... everybody seems to be going out later and later now,... i find i really weird when i am setting off to work at 10:15 on a friday night lol

[spin mobile disco]

Yes I have noticed this as well. Used to start at 7pm now most start 8pm or later. Doing a kids 13th this weekend doesnt start until 9 finishes at 11. Bit of a change from the 4pm kids parties I guess but at least you could do 2 in a day.

[Vectis]

Ah well, glad the IoW's still stuck in the 60's then :D

Most folks arrive to functions around 7:30-8:00, buffet at 9, start drifting home starting with the older ones at 11ish, usually finished by 12.

Just like it was 20 years ago oop north. When I were a lad. etc.

[sleah]

The club I work at opens 10-2. In the last couple of years we're lucky to get more than 50 in before 11 (300capacity). So I'd agree that it's getting later.
Some local venues are open 'till 3am round here, but they tend to be just full of kids by 2am. When we go quieter for the last 45mins, it's usually the older ones left. Also it's the older ones who arrive earlier.
I think the young 'uns leave us early to go onto the venues with the late lisenses, older ones are happy to drift home at 2ish as they always have done.

[wensleydale]

it makes sense though if places are open later.
its the european approach- expect you must get that a lot in Haverhill Badger.

[PropellerHeadCase]

Most clubs in Auckland don't bother opening before 10 unless they are also serving food to any significant degree. Do you guys also have the Friday night is more often going pubbing/clubbing and Saturday is more often parties?

[Have a disco]

it makes sense though if places are open later.
its the european approach- expect you must get that a lot in Haverhill Badger.

To be honest guys with the change of licencing laws and smoking ban as well as things getting tight financially over last ten years combined with the influx of foreign workers most people over 30's are avoiding licenced premises like the plague. I use to be able to go out thurs fri sat and sunday nights and every venue would be full now. That and the effect of a demising pub culture with bridge, darts, pool and football teams getting less and less

Im suprised to see more than 30-40 in some venues lately the busiest place has seen its client base halved

Private parties seem to be fairly family based now and most always say 7.30 or 8pm start which has become the standard, food is now done around 9.30 finishing around 20 mins to 12am

Its become a stay at home culture I have done 4 karaoke house parties this year that have gone on til silly times in the morning and I was fed and watered as to speak as well.......? Look at the technology side sky+ tv games stations, computers, dvd we are fast becoming a rare business for many nights of the week

[rob1963]

we are fast becoming a rare business for many nights of the week

I'm not so sure about that...I still work 6 nights most weeks.

[Have a disco]

your name does state entertainment which is quite a broad spectrum so I hope you would be busy at least 6 nights a week, but you can even even get quiz & racing nights on dvd now wiping out the need for a quiz master or a race master as to put it

[Corabar Steve]

To be honest guys with the change of licencing laws and smoking ban as well as things getting tight financially over last ten years combined with the influx of foreign workers most people over 30's are avoiding licenced premises like the plague.

I just had to re-read to make sure I'd seen right. What on earth has that got to do with anything??

[rob1963]

your name does state entertainment which is quite a broad spectrum so I hope you would be busy at least 6 nights a week

Although 'entertainment' covers a very broad spectrum, I only actually offer two services: mobile discos & quiz nights.

That's it.

[CRAZY K]

I'm not so sure about that...I still work 6 nights most weeks.

As a DJ ?

Good news is Weddings seem to be sticking to traditional times--in my current experience--- so its not all bad news--

Does anyone feel inclined to increase prices if you are having to work later
i.e. more hours past Midnight.

If you were a plumber etc.

Cue Daz:D :D :D

CRAZY K

[BeerFunk]

To be honest guys with the change of licencing laws and smoking ban as well as things getting tight financially over last ten years combined with the influx of foreign workers most people over 30's are avoiding licenced premises like the plague. I use to be able to go out thurs fri sat and sunday nights and every venue would be full now. That and the effect of a demising pub culture with bridge, darts, pool and football teams getting less and less

Im suprised to see more than 30-40 in some venues lately the busiest place has seen its client base halved

Private parties seem to be fairly family based now and most always say 7.30 or 8pm start which has become the standard, food is now done around 9.30 finishing around 20 mins to 12am

Its become a stay at home culture I have done 4 karaoke house parties this year that have gone on til silly times in the morning and I was fed and watered as to speak as well.......? Look at the technology side sky+ tv games stations, computers, dvd we are fast becoming a rare business for many nights of the week
That's actually a very good point Badger - these days there are so many things to do (which invariably cost money), so maybe going out boozing has gone down in the order of things? Certainly not with the youngsters I may add, but from the mid twenties onwards I think it might be the case.
As Badger said, there is Sky (£35+ a month), Broadband (£10-£40), mobile phones (£10-£200 - yes, I've seen £200 bills :eek: ), and others... these things generally weren't around 10-15 years ago.


Although 'entertainment' covers a very broad spectrum, I only actually offer two services: mobile discos & quiz nights.

That's it.
It may be only two services, but it is definitely two forms of entertainment. I couldn't technically use the term entertainment(s), as DJing is the only thing I do now :)

[rob1963]

I still work 6 nights most weeks.


As a DJ?

No, as an entertainer.

[Have a disco]

That's actually a very good point Badger - these days there are so many things to do (which invariably cost money), so maybe going out boozing has gone down in the order of things? Certainly not with the youngsters I may add, but from the mid twenties onwards I think it might be the case.
As Badger said, there is Sky (£35+ a month), Broadband (£10-£40), mobile phones (£10-£200 - yes, I've seen £200 bills :eek: ), and others... these things generally weren't around 10-15 years ago.:)

Not forgetting computer and Game station games themselves costing £40 a throw and the stations costing anything from £100 - £400 depending if new or not Entertainment is coming from so many sources than just us.

Ebay has even knocked our work to a degree as people can buy karaoke discs, legal or not on line cheaper and sing at home on home machines or DVD players which play anything

[Corabar Steve]

Are you ignoring me Clifford?

To be honest guys with the change of licencing laws and smoking ban as well as things getting tight financially over last ten years combined with the influx of foreign workers most people over 30's are avoiding licenced premises like the plague.


I just had to re-read to make sure I'd seen right. What on earth has that got to do with anything??

[Have a disco]

the reading you may thought was wrong. I am not being racist just observant. I have found that a lot of different cultures russians polish portugese and a few more besides that have come into the country to work have not fully melded in with our pub culture, and buy booze and go around each others homes than frequent with our nation of pub goers. This may change over time when they learn our language and lifestyle. and finally integrate. Those that do come out are putting off general pub goers out of there locals by not speaking our language

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I have found that a lot of different cultures russians polish portugese and a few more besides that have come into the country to work have not fully melded in with our pub culture, and buy booze and go around each others homes than frequent with our nation of pub goers.

And how on earth would you know that then? :confused:

[Corabar Steve]

So if the newcomers aren't going out then surely that has no relevance to your point, because them not going out would not cause a drop in custom, as they weren't there in the first place.

[BeerFunk]

the reading you may thought was wrong. I am not being racist just observant. I have found that a lot of different cultures russians polish portugese and a few more besides that have come into the country to work have not fully melded in with our pub culture, and buy booze and go around each others homes than frequent with our nation of pub goers. This may change over time when they learn our language and lifestyle. and finally integrate. Those that do come out are putting off general pub goers out of there locals by not speaking our language
And how on earth would you know that then? :confused:
I know quite a lot of Polish folks living in Edinburgh, and I think Badger has a point. A lot of them are saving up just about all their earnings to take back with to Poland, as I'm sure everyone is aware that well paid work is scarce over there.


So if the newcomers aren't going out then surely that has no relevance to your point, because them not going out would not cause a drop in custom, as they weren't there in the first place.Well, they have taken positions here that otherwise would have been filled by British workers, so you could look at it like that. Besides, the Eastern European community in Scotland (not sure about England) only makes up about 1% of the population, so any knock-on effects are minimal.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I know quite a lot of Polish folks living in Edinburgh, and I think Badger has a point. A lot of them are saving up just about all their earnings to take back with to Poland, as I'm sure everyone is aware that well paid work is scarce over there.



But how can you possibly vaidate that point with a statement like that? How many Polish folks do you know? 10, 20, 200? You'd need to know a few hundred and exactly what they do in their personal lives to be able to justify that statement in this particular thread.

[robbiedj]

The only pub I work has a large contingent of Polish customers.

They all speak English (often better than the natives) , buy plenty of drinks and dance all night. They request tracks and chat to us.

What is the problem with that? :confused:

[BeerFunk]

But how can you possibly vaidate that point with a statement like that? How many Polish folks do you know? 10, 20, 200? You'd need to know a few hundred and exactly what they do in their personal lives to be able to justify that statement in this particular thread.
It's only indicative, Darren. The point was speculative, hence no validation is required.


What is the problem with that? :confused:
Who said anything about a problem?

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

It's only indicative, Darren. The point was speculative, hence no validation is required.

Pointless then really and how can it be indicative - what are you basing it on.

You can't generalise with statements like that. It's like saying 'all English people like roast beef'.

[rob1963]

You can't generalise with statements like that. It's like saying 'all English people like roast beef'.

Well, I'm an English person & I like roast beef...

...It's YUMMY!

:D :D :D

[CRAZY K]

Well, I'm an English person & I like roast beef...

...It's YUMMY!

:D :D :D

Yeah me too---just had it for my evening meal!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


CRAZYK

[nigelwright7557]

I think its coz pubs close later and people want to get around a bit before finally going to a night club.

[sleah]

Front-loading (i.e. drinking before going out) is having a significant effect on the pub/club culture.
With alcohol being so cheap from supermarkets, more and more people are doing it, so going out later. It is also a problem for venues because people are turning up already drunk and have to be turned away.

This is based on information from a trade magazine (Night).
Personally I don't like this new culture.:(

The on-trade aren't too keen on this drinking at home culture, apart from the obvious loosing early trade, the on-trade are picking up the cost of alcohol abuse, whereas the off-trade don't contribute a penny torwards policing costs etc.
Cheap alcohol from the off-trade is also hindering efforts to combat binge drinking.

This culture could be the single biggest reason that venues are quieter earlier and opening later.

[BeerFunk]

Pointless then really and how can it be indicative - what are you basing it on.
Then close to everything on these forums are pointless? It's only discussion - if you can't state an opinion or observation without backing it up with hard statistics, we'd all be :zip:


You can't generalise with statements like that. It's like saying 'all English people like roast beef'.
I didn't generalise anything. I only said I knew quite a lot of Polish workers in Edinburgh, and the majority of them don't go out all that often. Some of them do, of course.

That's what I'm basing it on, but as I said, I'm only speculating on one of the points Badger brought up. Although he can bring some funny arguments and ideas with him, sometimes I think you pounce on anything he says, just because he doesn't agree with your ideals about how a mobile disco should be run.

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

I didn't generalise anything. I only said I knew quite a lot of Polish workers in Edinburgh, and the majority of them don't go out all that often. Some of them do, of course.

That's what I'm basing it on, but as I said, I'm only speculating on one of the points Badger brought up. Although he can bring some funny arguments and ideas with him, sometimes I think you pounce on anything he says, just because he doesn't agree with your ideals about how a mobile disco should be run.


I don't pounce on him at all, I just disagree with most of what he says and he does have some pretty strange ideas about things.


So he doesn't agree with me and my ideals?

I have listened at length to what others have said on here and other forums and put the best advice into action, effectively doubling my turnover in 2 years.

He can go on disagreeing with me if he likes and still be moaning about the fact that there are too many cowboys and not enough work in 5 years time.

[Corabar Entertainment]

I have to admit that I've been reading this thread with a bit of a puzzled look on my face. Most people are talking about pubs/clubs being later - rather than parties, which seem to be fairly much the same.

However, when I was younger and clubbing a few times a week, it was the norm to have a few drinks before you go out so that the night wasn't so expensive. We never went into a club before 10.30/11.00pm - and that was only because quite a few had cheap admission before 11.00pm. There were some clubs that we didn't leave home to go to until 1.00am in the morning.

From the frequenting pubs side of things, they were the places we went to on the nights when we weren't going to clubs.

I take it from this thread, that my experiences weren't the norm then????

[BeerFunk]

I have to admit that I've been reading this thread with a bit of a puzzled look on my face. Most people are talking about pubs/clubs being later - rather than parties, which seem to be fairly much the same.

However, when I was younger and clubbing a few times a week, it was the norm to have a few drinks before you go out so that the night wasn't so expensive. We never went into a club before 10.30/11.00pm - and that was only because quite a few had cheap admission before 11.00pm. There were some clubs that we didn't leave home to go to until 1.00am in the morning.

From the frequenting pubs side of things, they were the places we went to on the nights when we weren't going to clubs.

I take it from this thread, that my experiences weren't the norm then????
Nope, that still is the case, I would say (from a cross-section of people I know, Darren :D). I know one guy who gets 'tanked up', so to speak, goes straight to Lava Ignite (open till 3AM), and spends most of the time just hanging around without a drink. I've never known why, I think it's just the social setting he goes for (coupled with the fact he doesn't have much money since he quit his job).

More relative to us, in terms of functions, I can't think of why youngsters would turn up later to them. Maybe they don't want to pay £2.50-£3 a drink, when they're used to getting drinks promotions at their usual venues? Generally speaking, I would say guests arrive and leave in reverse chronological order of their ages.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Nope, that still is the caseI think you've missed my point here Callum. People on this thread are talking like this is how things have become in recent years, but I'm talking about it being the case for MANY (:eek:) years from my experiences

[Corabar Steve]

I have to admit that I've been reading this thread with a bit of a puzzled look on my face. Most people are talking about pubs/clubs being later - rather than parties, which seem to be fairly much the same.

However, when I was younger and clubbing a few times a week, it was the norm to have a few drinks before you go out so that the night wasn't so expensive. We never went into a club before 10.30/11.00pm - and that was only because quite a few had cheap admission before 11.00pm. There were some clubs that we didn't leave home to go to until 1.00am in the morning.

From the frequenting pubs side of things, they were the places we went to on the nights when we weren't going to clubs.

I take it from this thread, that my experiences weren't the norm then????
It was with me. But then we moved in very similar circles even if you were the wrong side of the river :sj:

[Dragonfly]

It was with me. But then we moved in very similar circles even if you were the wrong side of the river :sj:

Had to read that twice as think I read it with the really really wrong head on the first time ????

Alot of clubs when i was out every weekend would let the ladies in free before 10 or 10.30 and where I lived there was only two clubs so between the times mentioned you would see the pubs just empty before your eyes.

and yes it would be out at around 9.20pm after having a few at home .... although i was speaking to a friend in loughborough last week who regularly goes to house parties ... where they all head off into town midnight-1am to start the night.

[nigelwright7557]

Night clubs are often open until 2am or later.
Pubs are opne later now so people stay talking in the pub which they cant do easily in a night club.

[sleah]

Of course it will vary from region to region, and from towns to cities.
Interesting comparing peoples experiences from their areas though.

[Corabar Entertainment]

...and from different periods in time. :)

[Have a disco]

And how on earth would you know that then? :confused:

Im afraid that I have lived with polish during my relationship breakdown and have known lots of russians to speak too and portugese within my own town all were employed by agencies which none of the locals can get a job within the same factories?????

Things are a changing as we speak most aint in any hurry to integrate with us in where I live. I have great respect for the friends of many nations I have met but we are killing our nation with this continual influx of workers.... Locals aint getting the jobs so aint got money to spend on disco's

PS its a fact that there are no nightclubs in Haverhill thanks to most of the pubs now having 1AM licencing which killed the club off. so these coments are just pure fact for a small town of 30,000 or just under.

this is without the other comment taken into effect

[Corabar Entertainment]

Badger, I know you don't think you are, and I know you don't intend to be, but your comments would be seen by plenty of people as being racist. It might just be better to leave the subject lie now, eh?

[Have a disco]

Back to the original point the above or previous factors are one of many reasons as to why things are starting later thats the point I was making

[Thames Valley Discos]

Back to the original point the above or previous factors are one of many reasons as to why things are starting later thats the point I was making

I do struggle with the fact that you, a person born and brought up here, struggles for years to find a job in your area. Yet someone from Poland or where ever can turn up and find employment.
Maybe they just want to work a bit more than you?

[Corabar Entertainment]

I don't think that's really a discussion for here, is it Paul?

[Thames Valley Discos]

I don't think that's really a discussion for here, is it Paul?

Well speak with Badger then, he's the one who keeps banging on about the influx of foreign workers:bang:
And his previous post is racist

[Corabar Steve]

& non disco related political discussion is not allowed on the forum

[Thames Valley Discos]

& non disco related political discussion is not allowed on the forum

Then maybe you should have pointed this out in posts 9,19,22.
Is it ok for those threads then?

[Corabar Steve]

Did I miss the memo informing me you were now a moderator?

It has been pointed out to the person concerned, that's all you need to worry about.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Paul, I asked Badger to let it go, and he has. So can you please do the same?

What would you prefer we do? Enforce rules so strictly that it stifles discussion? We do our best to try to keep things within reasonable parameters, but the key here is "We do our best". We are not bloody machines! (It's always the case that we're ****ed if we do, and ****ed if we don't) Give us a break!

Now P-L-E-A-S-E can we just get back on topic?

[Thames Valley Discos]

Does make me laugh

[Corabar Entertainment]

What does Paul?