looks very impressive

[flatliners]

http://videos.djanddiscostuff.com/demos/thunder%20ridge.wmv the new thunder ridge 1900 watt sound system

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Bit of a pointless video really.

A bit like saying "Come and listen to these lights"

[rob1963]

Bit of a pointless video really.

A bit like saying "Come and listen to these lights"

Darren,

I think it was a marketing ploy, hence the guy saying "What we'd like you to do is come down the shop & have a listen to it"

The stated rating of 1900 watts worries me though for a system that size.

I wonder whether it's 1900 watts RMS, 1900 watts music power or 1900 watts peak.

I'm guessing it might be the latter!

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

Darren,

I think it was a marketing ploy, hence the guy saying "What we'd like you to do is come down the shop & have a listen to it"

The stated rating of 1900 watts worries me though for a system that size.

I wonder whether it's 1900 watts RMS, 1900 watts music power or 1900 watts peak.

I'm guessing it might be the latter!

No, it is RMS Rob.

Look at the price though :eek: http://www.djanddiscostuff.com/prodpage.asp?prodid=2546

[rob1963]

No, it is RMS Rob.

Look at the price though :eek: http://www.djanddiscostuff.com/prodpage.asp?prodid=2546

Wow...in that case I'm impressed!

You're right though...the price is a bit of a problem, although I see they've already knocked £200 off.

If they knock off another £2,000 I'll probably get them!

[flatliners]

if i had the cash i would small light compact what more do you want

[Solitaire Events Ltd]

if i had the cash i would small light compact what more do you want

Have you heard it then?

[Danno13]

I heard this at the BPM show and it sounded dreadful to me, although I'm beggining to think it was the track used (some unknown chavy D'n'B track.. brilliant choice) as it definatley didn't sound like a £3k system!!

[flatliners]

no but i have heard a thunder ridge sound system before and i was impressive hand built in the uk

[Danno13]

Yeah, Thunder ridge are generally a good brand, I've been in their warehouse a few times when I lived in Bristol and I've played through one of their big 10k systems before.. and that was wicked!

[Paul James Promotions]

At 93db, the top cabinet is very inefficient, and system is very expensive for what it is.

Still, would be good to hear it at some point.

[A1DL]

The stated rating of 1900 watts worries me though for a system that size.

I wonder whether it's 1900 watts RMS, 1900 watts music power or 1900 watts peak.

I'm guessing it might be the latter!

Watts don't really matter, it's efficiency that counts (although watts are used all to often for marketing purposes as joe pubic sees a "10k rig" as more impressive/powerful/etc than "110db undistorted at FOH mix position" etc)


I heard this at the BPM show and it sounded dreadful to me, although I'm beggining to think it was the track used (some unknown chavy D'n'B track.. brilliant choice)

DnB is often used for demoing the response of cabs, basically to show off how the voice coil can keep up, also how much air the boxes can move. Not my cup of tea musically, but great for that kind of test. Anyone who heard Rog demo the Paraflex at Plasa will have long lasting memories of this kind of demoing ;)

EDIT: good minds think alike - I waffled on so you got there first Jamie!

[Starlight]

I personally dont care for these very overpriced, lightweight speakers. In the long run, are they going to live upto hard wear and tear? I dont think these speakers are particularly durable. I'd sooner splash a few grand on a pair of 15" woofers and tops and know that their build quality will withstand impacts of everyday use.

Overall, not very impressed with these speakers, very overpriced and dont look that professional :sick:

Mendoza.

[Corabar Entertainment]

Have you actually seen/heard them in action then?

[Dragonfly]

I personally dont care for these very overpriced, lightweight speakers. In the long run, are they going to live upto hard wear and tear? I dont think these speakers are particularly durable. I'd sooner splash a few grand on a pair of 15" woofers and tops and know that their build quality will withstand impacts of everyday use.
Overall, not very impressed with these speakers, very overpriced and dont look that professional :sick:

Mendoza.

erm .... what exactly do you do with your speakers?? mine are taken carefully out of the car either wheeled in or carried in and set up ... and take down is opposite ... pretty sure they are not "impacted" very much at all?

[Penfold42]

Bit of a pointless video really.

A bit like saying "Come and listen to these lights"

:agree:
Also, at over £2,800:00....too rich for me.....can spend that kinda money elsewhere........:)

[Dragonfly]

:agree:
Also, at over £2,800:00....too rich for me.....can spend that kinda money elsewhere........:)


decking :D :D :D :D

[Starlight]

what exactly do you do with your speakers
They are wheeled in and out, I like my speakers durable, not some cheap looking sound system, they look cheap and tacky in my opinion.

Regards,

Mendoza.

[Corabar Entertainment]

I repeat....
Have you actually seen/heard them in action then?

[rob1963]

Watts don't really matter, it's efficiency that counts

I disagree.

As far as I'm aware, the biggest single deciding factor of how loud a system sounds is how many watts it is.

Regardless of any other factors, how much difference in loudness would there be between a system putting out 20 watts and one putting out 2,000 watts?

[Starlight]

Angela, your not very clear who your referring to here, who you referring to?

Mendoza.

[Corabar Entertainment]

You! My question follows your posts both times... if it was to someone else, I would've quoted the post I was replying to. :)

[Starlight]

Iv heard them and dont rate them at all, they sound average but taking into account the build quality - they are lightweight, are they going to be durable and hard wearing? I dont think so. Also, they dont look particularly good, they are tiny. If you want to look big and professional, get big, durable speakers not some tiny, shoddy looking speaker system.

Mendoza.

[rob1963]

If you want to look big and professional, get big, durable speakers.

Since when was being big associated with being professional?

:shrug:

[Starlight]

Since when was being big associated with being professional?

:shrug:

Rob,

In my opinion, a bigger speaker system will look better and more professional, it's about the 'look' :)

Mendoza.

[rob1963]

Rob,

In my opinion, a bigger speaker system will look better and more professional, it's about the 'look' :)

Mendoza.

I must look incredibly professional them...coz I'm enormous!!!

:rolleyes:

[Corabar Entertainment]

Rob,

In my opinion, a bigger speaker system will look better and more professional, it's about the 'look' :)

Mendoza.Hmmm - I think you'll find a lot of people disagreeing with you there. Personally, I definitely do not prescribe to 'the bigger the better' theory!

Surely, if you can get smaller cabs without compromising on sound, the 'look' will be less obtrusive, and therefore, IMO, better

[Tom]

Surely, if you can get smaller cabs without compromising on sound, the 'look' will be less obtrusive, and therefore, IMO, better

Agree. If i could have a really small rig then i would be really happy but i dont think you can get 8 or even 10" speakers that give out good volume of sound.

[A1DL]

Agree. If i could have a really small rig then i would be really happy but i dont think you can get 8 or even 10" speakers that give out good volume of sound.

hear a pair of d&b E3s.... you'll change your opinion.

[flatliners]

yes you can get a 10" speaker that gives good volume _ _ _

[Penfold42]

If you want to look big and professional, get big, durable speakers not some tiny, shoddy looking speaker system.

Mendoza.

What codswallop.........
I go out with 2 or 4 full range.........don't make me look professional.

How you entertain on the night makes you look professional........:)

[Twinspin]

Size i dont think makes anything more professional. Take a look at a HK Audio lucas system. Its not a big system. But its powerful and sounds great. Loud as well.

only 8" drivers in the satellites.

[Danno13]

If i could have a really small rig then i would be really happy but i dont think you can get 8 or even 10" speakers that give out good volume of sound.

I use 10" top speakers and beleive me, they're not quiet!


I disagree.

As far as I'm aware, the biggest single deciding factor of how loud a system sounds is how many watts it is.

The single figure to say how loud a system goes, is it's maximum SPL (sound pressure level), not the amount of watts. A 100w speaker could reach a higher SPL than a 400w speaker if it was much more efficient.

[rob1963]

The single figure to say how loud a system goes, is it's maximum SPL (sound pressure level), not the amount of watts.

I'm trying to get my head around this.

So why do most people seem to go out with at least two speakers, each rated at 300 watts minimum...regardless of the SPL?

If what you're saying is true, I would rather start using some 20 watt speakers with a very high sound pressure level...as they would be much smaller, lighter, cheaper and require a much smaller amp using loads less power to run them than my Mackies.

Where can I get some speakers like this?

and why have I not heard of anyone else using them?

:shrug:

[Danno13]

Its economics.. speakers with ultra high effeciencies are much more expensive and usually beyond the realm of us humble DJs. :)

Some example figures..

Funktion One Res 1, 102/112dB (bass driver/horn) sensitivity, can't find an SPL.. but it'd be massive! price: again, can't find this, but you're probably looking at around £1k per cab, if not more.

Nexo PS-10, 98dB sensitivity, 127dB Max SPL, price: £849 per speaker

Martin Audio F10, 96dB sensitivity, 125dB Max SPL, price: £450ish per speaker

You'll notice neither of the above quote a wattage figure in their specs apart from a "recomended amp power".

Peavey Pro 15s, 120dB SPL, £125 per speaker.

Class D CD158-1 , 94dB sensitivity, 112dB SPL (I've heard louder farts), price: £70 per speaker

[Corabar Steve]

Hmmm - I think you'll find a lot of people disagreeing with you there. Personally, I definitely do not prescribe to 'the bigger the better' theory!

Surely, if you can get smaller cabs without compromising on sound, the 'look' will be less obtrusive, and therefore, IMO, better


Size i dont think makes anything more professional. Take a look at a HK Audio lucas system. Its not a big system. But its powerful and sounds great. Loud as well.

only 8" drivers in the satellites.I'll throw my 2p worth in.

I think systems like these just look wrong. Not professional or unprofessional (if it is even possible for a speaker to look professional), just wrong


Class D CD158-1 , 94dB sensitivity, 112dB SPL (I've heard louder farts), price: £70 per speakerAh, but have you hears a pair of CD158-1s in full flight? & £70 per speaker? Not when we've bought them http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1771.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

[rob1963]

Class D CD158-1 , 94dB sensitivity, 112dB SPL (I've heard louder farts), price: £70 per speaker


Ah, but have you heard a pair of CD158-1s in full flight? & £70 per speaker? Not when we've bought them http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1771.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

Steve...are you suggesting Danno is wrong on the SPL thing?

:shrug:

[Penfold42]

Steve...are you suggesting Danno is wrong on the SPL thing?

:shrug:

No......
To go buy himself a pair of CD158-1s .......:sofa:

[Danno13]

Ah, but have you hears a pair of CD158-1s in full flight? & £70 per speaker? Not when we've bought them

That was supposed to be tongue in cheek, sorry I forgot the smiley :P I must admit, I don't think I've hears (is that pirate talk? :D ) those particular class Ds.

And I got the price from the Class D website, £135 a pair... so should have said £67.50 per speaker :D

[Corabar Steve]

Arrrrrrrr, tis ture that s & d be too close together on my keyboardhttp://planetsmilies.net/person-smiley-1136.gif (http://planetsmilies.net).

I could hears my CD158-1s 2 floors down from my function last night :sj:

[colint]

I disagree.

As far as I'm aware, the biggest single deciding factor of how loud a system sounds is how many watts it is.

Regardless of any other factors, how much difference in loudness would there be between a system putting out 20 watts and one putting out 2,000 watts?

As a rule of thumb 1000watts is only twice as loud as 100watts (3db)
as A1DL so rightly say watts don't really come into it, I think the trouble is we've all become used to the watt power ratting thing!

as Jamie said the mid/hi is not that sensitive so you would need much more amp power to get the same sound from it that a more efficent speaker!

look at the way speaker cabs have reduced in size over the years it's not just the cabinet designs that have improved, driver tecnology has come on ten fold with power & sensivity so you don't have to use so much amp power to get the same amount of sound as you did years ago

try a simple test: connect 2 diffirent 1 x 12" cabs to a stereo power amp (1 on each channel) and feed both channels with the same mono signal & 1 will be louder than the other!