Can I say, with greatest of respect for some of the regular contributors to the forums, that it would be a great deal tighter and more useful, if we kept the chat in the right place. This is a music forum. So if the thread is say, 'Slowies' either post some ideas or keep quiet. I've just spent ages wading through chat and daft comments - there's a place for that. If you're lonely, go down the pub! I really like this place but I get the feeling it's a bar stool for some people and trawling through the tattle to get to something relavant to the thread appears to be getting more difficult and time consuming.